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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:41 AM
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Report on HAVA and ITA
HAVA was signed into law on October 12, 2002. The Commission was to have been created by February 26, 2003. However, The President did not submit his proposed nominees to the Senate until October 3, 2003. Senate Committee Hearings on the President’s nominees to the HAVA Commission were held on October 27, 2003. The nominations had not yet come to the floor for Senate approval as of November 23, 2004.
None of the HAVA Committees and Boards has been established.  Thus, the Technical Guidelines and compliance standards will not be available by the time that state implementation plans are due on January 1, 2004.
In order to qualify for HAVA funding and to comply with HAVA requirements, states have been contracting to purchase voting systems that can not possibly be HAVA compliant, since there do not yet exist any HAVA standards.
As the National Association of Secretaries of State points out, this creates an impossible conundrum under the law. “Without full funding of HAVA, the states are being forced to comply with the new federal law without adequate assistance from the very leaders who promised to provide the resources to make federal participation in this process a success.”
Prompted by aggressive lobbying on the part of manufacturers and vendors, and the advocacy of The Election Center, a one-man organization based in Texas, which operates as the self-appointed “Secretariat” to the National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) the states’ response to the Help America Vote Act has been to replace older voting systems with computerized electronic voting systems, also know as Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) voting machines.
Many election officials including Secretaries of States have been persuaded that there are no problems, and that what problems remain can be overcome via policies, procedures and guidelines they can implement at the local level. This is not accurate. In the absence of stringent testing requirements, and disagreement over the type of voter verification required, several serious security flaws within these systems have been revealed, which undermine the intent of the law and put the integrity of America’s election process in jeopardy.



Here is the whole link to the article..

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:x6w3b04hKvgJ:www.ballotintegrity.org/Electronic%2520Voting%2520Critical%2520Issues.doc+Brian+Hancock,+the+ITA+Secretariat+&hl=en
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:48 AM
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1. We need to send this to our Reps as well!
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 10:49 AM by insane_cratic_gal
Another type of attack might be used to disrupt voting. For example, malware could be used to cause voting machines to malfunction frequently. The resulting delays could reduce turnout, perhaps to the benefit of one candidate, or could even cause voters to lose confidence in the integrity of the election in general. The latter might be of more interest to terrorists or others with an interest in having a negative impact on the political system generally.

Maybe if we blame it on terroist the Reps will listen :evilgrin:
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:56 AM
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2. Great find! Thanks!
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 02:42 PM
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6. Are you planning on preparing another report for the next round of Rep.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:02 AM
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3. The Christian Dominion Link
ES&S claims to have counted 56% of the vote in the last four presidential elections. Brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich founded its predecessor AIS in the 1980s. Bob Urosevich programmed for and was CEO of ES&S; he is now president of Diebold Election Systems. . Bob Urosevich created the original software architecture for Diebold Election Systems, and his original company, called I-Mark Systems, can be found in the source code signatures. His brother Todd is currently a vice president at ES&S Business Records Corp. which was merged with AIS to become ES&S, was partially owned by Cronus, a company with a number of reported connections to the infamous Hunt brothers from Texas, as well as other individuals and entities, including Rothschild, Inc. Howard Ahmanson (who financed AIS) and Nelson Bunker Hunt have both heavily contributed to The Chalcedon Institute, an organization that mandates Christian "dominion" over the world, with its own interpretation of “biblical rule” substituted for the Constitution of the United States.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:53 AM
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4. Selfish kick for importance n/t
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 02:35 PM
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5. Wow! n/t
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 02:43 PM
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7. "The Rise of Dominionism"
Download audio and video documenting the Rise of Dominionism (no charge, no copyright)

"The Rise of Dominionism"
recorded October 6, 2004, 41 minutes
http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm

The Rise of Dominionism - October 11 video of Joan Bokaer describing the rise of Dominionism in the U.S. government. Joan explains how the Religious Right took over the Republican Party, and how President Bush, along with his Religious Right allies in Congress, are attempting to transform the United States into a Christian nation. Even more relevant now, after the 2004 election.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:07 PM
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8. kick
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:21 PM
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9. Kick n/t
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:43 PM
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10. Some more Important snips
Brian Hancock, spokesperson for the Federal Election Commission (FEC), and Jorge Martinez, spokesperson for the Department of Justice (DOJ). “No voting system is ever “Federally Approved or FEC Approved” says the National Association of State Election Directors (NASED). No agency or organization even has a complete list of voting machine companies. It appears that there are approximately 70 voting machine companies worldwide, with at least 48 based in the U.S. The FEC lists only 19. NASED (a professional association of state election officials whose expertise does not extend to computer or software programming or security) lists 16 that are 'industry certified' to the outmoded and voluntary guidelines discussed above, while the IFES Buyers Guide lists about 64 companies worldwide that appear to be engaged in electronic voting. Meanwhile there is one company that is 'flying under the radar' of both the FEC and NASED, the Bermuda-based Accenture (formally Andersen Consulting) which has the contract for the online military vote in 2004. 26


What they were trying to tell us Yesterday!

To make DRE voting systems accountable to voters and auditable in the event of a recount, Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ) has introduced a bill in Congress entitled the Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2003 (HR 2239) that would require all electronic voting machines to produce a voter-verified permanent paper record. HR 2239 would also speed up the date by which all voting machinery designed to increase accessibility for the disabled community would be made available.43 Although the Holt Bill currently is cosponsored by 84 Members of Congress, it has not yet come to the Floor, and will not be passed before the January 2004 HAVA deadline.

At least four companies are foreign-owned: Sequoia (UK), Accenture/Election.com (UK Bermuda), EVS (Japan), and N.V. Nederlandsche Apparatenfabriek (Netherlands). Election.com was formerly owned by Osan, Ltd., a Saudi Arabian firm. Many voting machine companies appear to share managers, investors, and equipment, which raises questions of conflict-of-interest and monopolistic practices. 
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:14 PM
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11. Well then, I'll kick it again. n/t
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:11 PM
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18. Accenture is the co. under a fomer name that produced the FL felon list of
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Beth in VT Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:18 PM
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12. Have you been to the Election Assistance Commission website?
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 11:19 PM by Beth in VT
Kind of a joke. It doesn't look as though they're up to speed at all. Plus they don't seem to have any meaningful clout.

http://www.eac.gov/
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:27 PM
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13. It's where i started out today
did a goodle on EAC and Brian Hancock

I wanted to find out what the process of indenpendent Testing Authority contained. It wasn't much. It lead me to that.

I'm trying to get together questions to give to Roy Saltman who did a report in 1988 (NIST) for the Commerce in regards to computer voting systems. So in preparing for that, I found that article.

I did notice some Dem names attached to it and of course Reps too.

• In 2000, 5 of the 12 directors of Diebold, a leading voting machine manufacturer, made donations totaling $94,750 to predominately Republican politicians.
• Former Florida Secretary of State Sandra Mortham (R) and Former State Election Supervisor of California Lou Dedier (R) both have ties to Election Systems and Software (ES&S), one of our nation’s leading voting machine manufacturers and tabulators. Sandra Mortham was a lobbyist for ES&S and the Florida Association of Counties during the same time period. The Florida Association of Counties made $300,000 in commissions from the sale of ES&S’s voting machines,


ES&S, contributed $7,000 to Gov. Roy Barnes (D), $1,000 to Lt. Gov. Mark Taylor (D), and $500 to Secretary of State Cathy Cox (D);
• Michael McCarthy is the Chairman of the McCarthy Group, of which ES&S is a subsidiary. According to Federal Elections Commission (FEC) filings, McCarthy is also the Primary Campaign Treasurer for Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, who (according to FEC filings) is also financially tied to the McCarthy Group by substantial investments (valued between one and five million dollars). According to officials at Nebraska’s Election Administration, ES&S machines tallied around 85 percent of votes cast in Hagel’s 1996 and 2002 senatorial races.
Occasionally, politicians have used their ties to voting machine companies for fraud and illegal activities:
• Former Louisiana State Elections Official Jerry Fowler (D) is currently serving five years in prison for charges related to taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in kickbacks from voting machine scandals.
• Bill McCuen (D), former Arkansas Secretary of State, pled guilty to felony charges that he took bribes, evaded taxes, and accepted kickbacks. Part of the case involved Business Records Corp. (now merged with ES&S) for recording corporate and voter registration records.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 04:04 AM
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14. kick
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Niche Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 05:35 AM
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15. EXACT SCENARIO regarding states and homeland security.
“Without full funding of HAVA, the states are being forced to comply with the new federal law without adequate assistance from the very leaders who promised to provide the resources to make federal participation in this process a success.”

A POST NOT ABOUT REPUB PRESSURE ON CA SoS:

Also, Kevin Shelley CA Secretary of State worked his ass off here for us to get voting machines out of CA. And in LA we had ads and voter info en masse about Ink Dot -- he did a great job here and money was spent on voter info like never before and I've been here 14 yrs. AND THE REPS ARE AFTER HIM saying he didn't spend the monies appropriatly or some nonsense. If you live in CA please support Shelley he went up against Deibold and won - got them out of the state - must be why repoos are mad.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:29 AM
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16. bump -eom
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luaptifer Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:02 PM
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17. IEEE Evote working group member(s) doubt NASED
i've come across a number of suggestions that doubt of NASED maybe warranted. one that startled me was on an IEEE mailing list attempting to develop a proposal for checks and standards that included this contribution:

http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/scc38/1583/emailtg1/msg00156.html

The issue was raised when a letter from NASED was read at the last meeting and when Herb cited a recommendation from NASED in his proposed committee position on voter verified paper audit trails.

NASED has an important role as an independent, quasi-governmental
regulatory body. According to reports posted on the Internet, and
corroborated by other information, functionaries of NASED participated in the recruitment and hiring of a Washington lobbyist for the voting machine industry, which happens to be the very industry they are supposed to be independently overseeing. This alone is an ethical breach. But it becomes much more egregious when contrasted with NASED's failure to publicly explain its lack of action on the request from the Iowa Secretary of State's office that the Diebold machines be immediately decertified. (See http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/dieboldftp.html for a copy of the email.)

In my view, that means IEEE P1583 should place no more weight on statements from NASED than it places on statements from the lobbyist they helped hire.

I would very much appreciate your forwarding my email to NASED so they can PUBLICLY explain their apparently serious conflict of interest and tell us what they are going to do to rectify it.

The other ethically-challenged interstate organization I have encountered is the National Conference of Commisioners on Uniform State Laws (NCCUSL), which acts very much like a lobbyist for Microsoft Corporation and the Business Software Alliance in its activities related to the Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act.

Interestingly, the lobbyist the NASED functionaries helped hire is also one who has served as an echo chamber for the Microsoft/BSA position on UCITA. Even more interesting is the fact that provisions of UCITA and the vendor attitudes that go with them create some of the vulnerabilities introduced by the use of COTS, modified or unmodified.


but i'll post a separate reason for doubt, the attempt by The Election Center, an organ of NASED, that presents a position paper arguing to assure the public that electronic voting is just fine, thank you!
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:31 PM
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19. Doug Lewis of the Election Center is a big key in all of this...
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 12:33 PM by VTGold
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luaptifer Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:29 PM
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20. refutation of Lewis' "DRE's and the election process" advocacy
i'd not realized that the advocacy piece i'd found at the election center was actually Lewis' testimony to the CA Cmte on Voter Verified Paper Ballots. he really wants it!

but i found a point-by-point response to Lewis' advocacy from a member of the National Science Foundation Panel on Internet Voting that everyone should read. it is quite long so i'll only present a few paragraphs and URGE you to read the entire thing (see quote below).

understand that The Election Center is billed:

The Election Center is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization under the regulations of the Internal Revenue Service. The Election Center's purpose is to promote, preserve, and improve democracy. Its members are government employees whose profession is to serve in voter registration and elections administration, i.e., voter registrars, elections supervisors, elections directors, city clerk/city secretary, county clerk, county recorder, state election director and Secretary of State for each of the individual states, territories, and the District of Columbia.


well, back to that refutation by David Jefferson, Response to "DRE's and the election process".

the excerpt i've done here presents Lewis' testimony quote nested with respect to Jefferson's refutation.

The following document is alternating black and red text. The red is mine; the black is a widely-circulated document from the Election Center that attempts to defend the security and reliability of DRE voting systems (Direct Recording Electronic, often referred to as touchscreen systems), and implicitly argues against any need for them to be upgraded to include a voter verification feature. Since the original document contains a very large amount of misleading and/or completely incorrect information, I feel that it is necessary to circulate a critiqued version.

Unfortunately, the arguments contained in the original show considerable misunderstanding of the software development and security issues for DREs, and of the range of security and failure threats inherent in them. In particular, without presenting any realistic threat model, the author argues that certain attacks he outlines are unlikely to be successful; but he takes no account of much simpler and more dangerous attacks than those he discusses. I don't have space here to present the full range of security vulnerabilities in DRE systems without voter verification, so I will confine myself to refuting the arguments here. However, if you would like further information, feel free to contact me by email.

David Jefferson

CA Electronic Voting Task Force Member

CA Internet Voting Task Force Technical Committee Chair

National Science Foundation Panel on Internet Voting

d_jefferson at yahoo.com


Doug Lewis testimony before the California Secretary of State's Ad Hoc Committee on Voter Verified Paper Ballots
The Election Center an international association of voter registration and election officials

12543 Westella, Suite 100 Houston, TX 77077 Phone: 281-293-0101 Fax: 281-293-0453

Email: electioncent@pdq.net Website: www.electioncenter.org

Now that Direct Recording Equipment (DRE) voting systems are growing in acceptance and use in American elections, it is almost inevitable that some groups, individuals and organizations will claim that such systems are not safe enough to use in elections.


People are entitled to doubt the security and reliability of voting machines. The burden of proof that any particular voting system is secure rests squarely on the voting system vendors. If they are unwilling or unable to provide that proof, then the public is entitled to -- and in fact must -- reject the system in question, or demand improvement.

And this argument is not new. When lever machines were first introduced into the elections process, all those favored paper used the same kinds of arguments. When IBM first started computer counted punch card voting, many of the same kinds of arguments were made.


When new technologies are introduced and experts point out security or reliability problems with them, it is also not new for many people to argue that those security problems are exaggerated: that the attacks hypothesized are extremely unlikely, or would not succeed, or would be detected early, or could not happen because no one has the access, resources, knowledge, or motivation to conduct them. Often those arguments are naive, ill-informed, and based on limited understanding of software or security.

When remote Internet voting was first introduced in the U.S. in 2000, many of those same arguments were made. Fortunately, with enough time and opportunity to present the case, the expert opinion that remote Internet voting, as understood then, introduces potentially catastrophic security vulnerabilities was finally accepted, and possible disaster was averted (for the time being). Many of those same experts are now concerned about DRE security.

Because DRE's represent another shift in the kinds of technology used for elections, we see the renewed fears of introducing the newer technology. It is entirely normal for these arguments to arise as we shift to a generational change in the types of voting systems used.


No one argues that DRE's are in principle a bad idea; indeed they have real advantages to ordinary voters, to the disabled, and to voters who read another language, or are illiterate.

But it is irresponsible to force voters to use systems whose security has not been proven.

From what I have been able to learn, it is almost certainly true that, as currently designed, DREs have fatal security flaws so dangerous that they could allow people with access to the software to modify election results on a national level, and without detection.

It is a matter of national security that we fix these flaws. Fortunately they can all be fixed with a single feature, voter verification, which simply allows voters to verify that their votes are cast as intended, and at a time in the voting transaction when the vote cannot be overwritten by software without detection. What we argue for is not the elimination of DRE's, but the immediate requirement that they be augmented with vote verification technology.

Many of us arguing for voter verification are computer scientists, and hardly harbor any general "fears of introducing ... newer technology". We spend our professional lives creating new technology and helping to introduce it. So when the computer science community -- usually technology boosters -- is nearly unanimous in warning that DREs without voter verification have huge and glaring vulnerabilities, you can be sure it is not based on simple fear.

The problem is that well intentioned people, some of them even highly educated and respected, scare voters and public officials with claims that the voting equipment and/or its software can be manipulated to change the outcome of elections. And, the claim is, it can do so without anyone discovering the theft of votes. Since so many people tend to distrust technology they have limited knowledge about, it only makes the situation worse.


Yes, I do claim that voting software can be manipulated to change the outcome of elections, and do so almost certainly without detection.

No one is specifically trying to scare anyone. But when we carefully explain the dangers of introducing DREs without voter verification, the implications are indeed scary.

Let's confront the problem directly: it is highly probable that any machine devised by humans can be broken by humans. So ANY technological argument to the contrary seems to be doomed from the very beginning. We can take precautions, we can make it more difficult, but the end analysis is that you cannot build a totally secure voting device.


No one argues that with voter verification DREs become "totally secure voting devices". But one has to recognize that some bugs and attack threats are much more serious than others, and we are concerned about the most serious ones.

The most dangerous potential vulnerabilities (1) can affect hundreds of elections simultaneously, rather than just one; (2) are easily hidden and unlikely to be detected; (3) can be perpetrated by a single person without requiring a larger conspiracy; or (4) are particularly easy to perpetrate. DRE software, and the associated development and distribution processes, should be designed so that attacks like these are virtually impossible; but sadly, they are not. Fortunately, all of the most serious bug and attack scenarios can be prevented with the addition of one mechanism, voter verification, which is why we advocate it.

The real question is, can you gain access to the software, change it, have it manipulate the results for one or more races, have it not be evident when you do the pre-election test, erase itself before the post election test, and get away with it totally undetected?

The short answer is simply "Yes".

As this question is phrased, however, it shows a serious misunderstanding: It is not necessary for the malicious software to "erase itself before the post election test", since it is no harder to pass undetected through the post election tests than to pass all of the other tests. And even if it were for some reason deemed necessary or desirable for the malicious software to erase itself, in the most common programming languages that step is so easy that it hardly merits mentioning as a hurdle at the same level as the others here.

<snip> lots more


We appreciate and respect those who question the process and we understand their fears. And we do not take their concerns lightly. While conducting elections is likely to be an imperfect process, it is a process built upon more than 200 years of experience in how to provide appropriate safeguards. Like most situations in the electoral process, it rarely boils down to a technological issue. It almost always comes down to policies, procedures and people doing what they are supposed to do.


While it may be "rare" that electoral problems "boil down to a technological issue", this is one of those times. When the computer scientists and computer security experts who have examined the issues are nearly unanimous (which they are) in warning of the security danger of DREs that do not include a voter verification feature, I would hope the election officials and vendor groups would try to help solve the problem instead of denying its reality.



much, much more @ http://verify.stanford.edu/EVOTE/ECresponse.html

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starmaker Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:30 PM
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21. hava fair election?
surely you jest

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Number_6 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:58 PM
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22. paper trail enough?
See other threads such as the one I tried to just kick back to Page One about "Demand....hand count." I agree completely that HAVA is pushing e-voting into local precincts and enabling corruption. Some have pointed out that Congressional "improvements" or corrections to HAVA may still try to produce paper trails *which are only accessible if a recount is called for* in a given election.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:52 PM
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23. kick- eom
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