I replaced my Kerry yard sign today

[katinmn]

The new one says:

Prove there was no voter suppression
and on the flip side:
Prove there was no election fraud

Also covered up my Kerry bumper sticker with my DU bumper sticker.

Finally realized yesterday that there was no point fighting for him if he would not stand up for those who stood in line for him.

I have nothing against Sen. Kerry and I don't regret working on his campaign. But there's nothing to hang on to anymore.

[dubyaD40web]

1. I ripped off my K/E bumper sticker

the minute he conceded.

[katinmn]

2. I understand that better now :-)

[renaissanceguy]

33. Put one of these on instead.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.16200506

[katinmn]

34. Nice! I'm ordering one now

[uppityperson]

35. so did we.

I said I'd apologize if the "he's working behind the scene" group was right and am really sorry to say I can't. Really really really sorry.

[SnoopDog]

3. I waited till yesterday at final House count...

[OldLeftieLawyer]

4. Me, too

I'll never understand what he did. Or didn't do.

He broke my heart.

[mycatforpresident]

9. When I found out Kerry would be conceding

I was desperate. I called the campaign office and played with the directory (ie punching in random letters until the directory gave me a name with a title that sounded important). The message gave Mr. X's cell number, which I promptly called.

I BEGGED him to not allow Kerry to concede because the election was surely rigged. He said he'd been with the Senator all morning, they'd been discussing it, the decision was made. Period. No surprise, no nothing.

The precincts reporting weren't all at 100% in states where a few thousand votes could have put him in the lead. I told them this, also. They wouldn't listen. I believe Kerry knew full well about the fraud and disenfranchisement. He just chose not to fight the Rove machine. Sad, since he promised us he would. Mr. X told me to keep my chin up. Right.

My Kerry yard sign is still up, but will be replaced by something that stands the test of time, which Kerry does not.

Oh, how I wish Dean had gotten that nomination.

[KittyWampus]

16. Yet Another DU'er Proves This Is About Dean More Than Anything Else

[mattclearing]

19. Not sure what you mean there.

The mere fact that someone wishes another candidate had won the nomination does not necessarily prove that Kerry-bashing is the result of underlying Dean loyalty.

I am a Dean loyalist, and still support John Kerry, and think he did a pretty damn good job of campaigning, and I know he was more involved in the behind the scenes of it all after the election than a lot of the Kerry haters like to believe.

I wouldn't jump to irrational conclusions based on a single comment that may or may not mean what you take it to mean.

[katinmn]

23. CryingShame, what do you mean? I'm listening.

[mycatforpresident]

24. Thank you. n/t

[mycatforpresident]

22. I fully supported Kerry

I canvassed, had my signs all over, drove people to the polls, talked everyone's ear off about Kerry's strengths.

This is not about Dean. I actually voted for Kucinich in the primaries, knowing full well he wouldn't get the nomination. But I believed in him.

I just hoped that Dean would get the nomination, because I believed in him second most.

[AmerDem]

5. After Kerry won the primary

I phone banked and supported him 100%. I was very pissed he conceded on Nov. 3rd. I waited until yesterday to really rip in to him and I ended it all by having my name removed from his much tauted 3.5 million member e-mail list. There is an unsubscribe at the bottom of every e-mail but I'm sure it could be done through his site as well.

[alvis]

7. Good Idea

I just unsubcribed as well. It's not just Kerry, Edwards could have done something yesterday. The words "We will count every vote and make sure every vote counts" came from his lips. What was his excuse?

[AmerDem]

12. to defend Edwards a lil

It's pretty well known here that Edwards and Kerry were at odds when Kerry conceded. Kerry was the chief, it would have been over stepping if Edwards came forward. I'm sure Edwards will be running for president again and I think he will chose that time to voice his displeasure. The entire 2004 outcome rides on Kerry's shoulders.

[mattclearing]

21. You could make a variation of that excuse for Kerry not contesting Bush.

eom

[AmerDem]

26. no you can't

Through out the campaign Kerry promised to fight against what happened in 2000. Conceding on Nov. 3rd isn't doing that. nuff said.

BTW, I let loose on Kerry yesterday. I'm not going to get into a back and forth over this anymore. Kerry is still a Democrat and has an obligation to fulfill his title as Senator. I'll let him do that.

[KoKo]

50. Well...you keep defending Edwards...but what's he doing about NC

where FOUR COUNTIES had election problems. I haven't heard that he's interested in urging for recounts in some of our counties which had "odd" voter results which point to "something being wrong."

He's a lawyer who doesn't believe that the NC Opti-Scans could be hacked? We now have two Repug Senators because he dropped out. Why couldn't he and Bowles ask for an "after the election" recount...just so we can get to the bottom of: Is there Computer Hacking...or Not?

He isn't actively working here in NC that I've heard about...in whispers from our party.

[Greylyn58]

51. I think you're right

about Edwards. He was and always will be my Senator. I think as much as he wanted to fight he wouldn't step over Kerry to do it.

Also John Edwards has a much bigger priority on his mind right now with Elizabeth fighting her cancer and I know he is with her.

I think Edwards will run again in 2008 and he will get my support. As much as I like alot of what Kerry promoted, I just can't see supporting him again because of his refusing to fight.

I kept waiting for him to step in and fight and he let me down.

[Machiavelli05]

13. Edward's excuse for yesterday?

He isnt a US Senator anymore...

[marzipanni]

28. Read My Lips

No More Uncounted Votes(?!)
I always thought people had to be a little crazy to want to be president. Maybe Kerry wasn't crazy enough.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

6. I've still got my John Kerry sticker on the car- and so it will remain.

why act defeated? more importantly, why act DEMORALIZED?

[katinmn]

8. I'm not demoralized at all. I'm energized -- but I also realize

who the leaders are and who is going to take us in the right direction.

Ever since Nov. 3 I've felt like "something isn't right" and I waited and waited and waited for leadership.

Leadership surfaced yesterday.

[mycatforpresident]

11. Why is is that the leadership never seems to surface

until there's an emergency? Are we just picking the wrong people? By that I don't mean the Black Caucus, hell no, they did their job in 2000 and 2004.

But maybe we should be choosing presidential candidates a little more carefully?

[shawcomm]

14. I saw two leaders yesterday. That's it.

I saw multitudes who did not stand up for their country, but only for their own political careers.

They wanted to make a showing to placate us, but didn't really want to rock the boat so they talked about future election reform. They can do that in regular session. The discussion yesterday was a last ditch effort in saving the country and they decided to play it safe and talk about election reform instead of voting to overturn a state's stolen electorals.

[DemGa]

39. Me too, just in general protest.

[Norquist Nemesis]

10. Took off my bumper sticker about a week after Nov 2

with tears streaming. He wasn't my guy in the primary, and by the time it got to IL, it was a done deal. Still, I worked on his campaign canvassing, writing letters, putting yard signs all over, and poll watching. Hell! I even managed to convince hubby to get involved (and that's no small feat!)

I believe something went on with this election. *Dons tin foil hat* Not one single thing, but a whole bunch of little Republican cells working just like terrorists i.e. funded from above but working independently. :shrug: If that's 'conspiracy', then so be it.

That Kerry conceded as he did was not what bothered me. It was that as volumes of acts suppressing the vote and virtually all 'irregularities' served in Bush's favor...Kerry said not a peep other than to ask for $$$. The DNC said rah rah siss boom bah, pat yourself on the back, be proud of what you did, and while your at it fill in the $$$ amount on our secure payment system.

I'll keep working locally as I had planned, thank you very much. But right now, I'm rooting for Dean to head the DNC. Hey, he gave us a spine and a voice during the run up and he won't stand down to the slimy Cons. He can do it again, IMHO.

[shawcomm]

17. The repubs are like virii

While we seem to work on a national scale, the repubs are insidious. They go into the little areas and infect everything around them. They do it by lying, overrunning and intimidating people. I'm surprized they haven't gone back to lynchings to keep the black vote out. (They probably have - would the corporate media ever report it?)

[katinmn]

18. it was the evolution of evidence that got to me

All the Blackwell stuff and seeing that video of people standing in line in the dark, in the rain, and in predominantly black neighborhoods looked to be racism to me.

[marzipanni]

32. You and me both, sister!

I took my Kerry bumper sticker off a while after Nov. 2, it was in my back window and slumping a bit due to condensation. I could have taped it up again, but decided to take it off but not give up on a investigation of the election.

A few weeks later I saw a little pickup truck parked in front of our small Northern California town library and on it was a 'Veterans for Kerry' bumpersticker and some small VFW decals. I peeked through the window of the VFW hall across the street but it was dark inside so I went into the library and strolled around until I saw a man in his late 50'- early 60's with a VFW baseball cap, sitting in a comfortable chair reading a magazine. I asked him if he had a truck with a Kerry bumpersticker, and he said "yes", so we launched into a great discussion about the debates, Ohio vote, etc.

My husband is a veteran who was drafted and barely missed being sent to Vietnam. I'm encouraging him to join other veterans in our area for the next election. The chickenhawks have to enlist (and pay off) swiftboat veterans to lie for them. We will have plenty more on our side to denounce the Neocons, including disillusioned vets returning from Iraq.

P.S. Your screen name is funny- that slimeball grew up in my hometown but is 5-6 years younger so I didn't know him... I'm going to ask an old neighbor in his class what he was like in high school!:eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

15. Yup, kat... today the playing field shifts.

When they arrive, one of my new WHAT ARE THEY HIDING? stickers will replace my K/E one.

NGU.

[katinmn]

a shift, that's it all right.

[Gloria]

20. I had a Kerry bumpersticker pinned to my bulletin board next

next to my computer...It's gone now.

I'm pondering what to put on my car now. Perhaps an anti=fascism message, but I think most people wouldn't know what that's about. The Clark08 stuff looks might fine.

I just don't want to get vandalized....

[Time for change]

37. I'm keeping my Kerry bumber sticker on until this election is over

Or until the '08 election starts, whichever comes first.

[malatesta1137]

25. You're 2 months and 4 days late

[katinmn]

31. you had your time, this time was right for me

[Peace Patriot]

27. You don't have to support Kerry to keep asserting that he won.

Because the evidence is that he did. I didn't support him in the primaries either, but I voted for him and very much supported his campaign, because I could see what a great movement it was--grass roots and Dem leaders putting aside differences to oust Bush.

So anyway "Kerry" could be viewed as a sort of "generic" word, meaning the majority voted for him, and why isn't this man in the White House?

However, I can understand wanting never to see that generic word again, ever.

Fact #1 about this election is that BushCons owned and controlled the voting system, with secret, proprietary source code running the voting machines and the central electronic vote tabulators, with no paper trail. Blatantly non-transparent election system, made to order for fraud.

Fact #2: Analysis of the pre-election numbers (Kerry/Bush base in 2000 vs. 2004, new reg favoring Dems 57% to 41%, and 3rd party Nader votes breaking big for Kerry) gives Kerry a 5.4 million margin over Bush.

(See: Freeman at: http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/epdiscrep.htm. His first report is good, too: http://www.truthout.org/unexplainedexitpoll.pdf )

Other facts: Pre-election polls, Bush poor approval rating, Iraq war unpopular, big Kerry crowds, lots of enthusiastic volunteers, great optimism, and Election Day Exit Polls--all favoring Kerry. TV networks polluted the Exit Poll data with "official BushCon results," so that Americans didn't know there were two conflicting figures (unlike in the Ukraine).

Post-election facts: Exit Polls analyzed by experts--impossible they could be so wrong, always favoring Bush. Other stats show the same thing--all glitches, malfunctions, anomalous numbers--everything always favors Bush. Astronomical odds against this. And then, OH vote suppression. And Blackwell recount obstruction. And Triad coverup.

So...

1. The election was extremely non-transparent, with BushCons having secret control of the vote tabulation. That it is secret source code, and that BushCons own it, are facts. That they used it criminally is not, and maybe cannot be, proven. But the non-transparency is a highly suspicious circumstance. Any similar circumstance would warrant criminal investigation, given that...

2. There is overwhelming inferential evidence that Kerry won (that is, overwhelming inferential evidence of fraud).

[YvonneCa]

29. "They hope you will just go away, they are COUNTING on it."

...John Kerry, in email to his supporters.

I understand the frustration behind your decision to take down your yard sign and cover your bumper sticker. After voting for Wesley Clark in the primaries, I worked to support John Kerry in this election as I have never supported a candidate before, because after 2000, I knew the only way I could survive a similar result in 2004 was if I personally had done everything I could to prevent it. So I did. I think John Kerry did, too.
After November 2nd, while trying to understand what happened in this Presidential election, I started doing on-line research. Like many of you, I discovered the facts. I completely believe that Kerry won this election, and his actions from the beginning also show he knows it. I decided that my yard sign would stay until January 6th, when I would understand more about what had happened and could make a better decision about how to proceed. I decided my bumper sticker would stay there forever, because I want the world to know I didn't vote for this administration's planned policies (like changes to Social Security, pre-emptive war, etc.) John Kerry, in my opinion, would be an excellent president.
I watched yesterday's Electoral Vote challenge with great interest. On the positive side, I am thrilled that history was made, and that activists helped to promote that. While I was disappointed that Congressional Democrats did not vote for the challenge, I was, and am, so proud that they spoke in support of Election Reform, which should have happened after the 2000 Election. I am especially proud of Senator Barbara Boxer (from my home state of California) for being the senator to sign the challenge. Just the fact that there WAS a signed challenge this time, is a step toward the goal of fixing elections before 2008. On the negative side, we were mocked by Congressional Republicans...by both their words and actions. They don't want election reform, and I could see in their faces that they viewed this challenge as an annoyance and a joke. So the down side, for me, is I finally understand how hard this is going to be. I think John Kerry knew this from the beginning.
In John Kerry's email (way back in November) to his 3,000,000,000 on line supporters he included a videotape with the words, "They hope you will just go away...they are counting on it." When I first listened to his words, they seemed very "out-of-context" to me. I've listened to them several times since, and they fit the context of January, 2005 perfectly. While it was very disappointing to me that he seemed to be looking beyond Election 2004 and telling us (his base)what he wants us to do, after yesterday, I now see that he is right. We Democrats, liberal or moderate, are TOTALLY out of power. We have little say in Congress or in the courts, and no say in the executive branch. The only way we will be able to accomplish anything within this government, especially considering we have a broken election system, is if we do not just go away like the Republicans are counting on us to do. John Kerry said we must "stand firm" and he is right. In his most recent email to supporters (the one where he asked us to call Speaker Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Frist and then LET HIM KNOW WHEN WE HAD DONE SO :)) Kerry has begun the fight. If we, his on line supporters, go away, Congressional Democrats will have even less success in this fight. I believe we must stay engaged and support John Kerry and Democrats (who spoke so eloquently yesterday) in their efforts.
I don't know who I'll vote for in 2008. I still think Wesley Clark is great. I like John Edwards' enthusiasm. If Al Gore ran again, I've always thought he would make a great president. Maybe John Kerry, with our support will yet surprise us all (I REALLY hope so!). But I do know I'll never vote for a Republican, and I do know I want my vote counted this time. I think Kerry IS still fighting for us and there IS something to hang on to. So no matter who I decide on for 2008, Kerry has my support until this election reform fight is won!


:hi:

[newyawker99]

38. Hi YvonneCa!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[NickiWitch]

30. Mine is STAYING ON!

I still believe he really won. I still respect him for how he's handling this and I still think * is going to get booted from the White House....and his little dog, too! BWAHAHAHAHA

Peace!

[spooked911]

40. I feel like taking off my Kerry sticker is a victory for the Repugs

so I agree with you.

[Mistwell]

44. They DID win

By hook or by crook, one way or the other the Republicans DID win!

[NickiWitch]

52. That's why mine stays...

and I just *love* that it pisses off the righties. They hate when we don't go away quietly. teehee teehee

edit: typo

[LittleClarkie]

49. Noooo!

Free Barney!!!!!

[Habibi]

36. My yard sign is still up

although my husband is starting to insist that it come down. May as well, but I told him to wait a couple more days--we just received a cartoon in the mail from an anonymous sender that depicts a wife nagging her husband to take town the K/E yard sign and "get over it." I'll be damned if I'll let some chickenshit anonymous twerp think he/she has *anything* to do with when my goddamn K/E sign comes down!

[joevoter]

41. We have made it this far without Kerry so let's keep fighting

[Hanging On]

42. My Kerry bumper sticker will stay on...

until the 2008 election (and maybe after that). Even if I had reservations about Kerry (which I do not), I would leave it on to show that I DID NOT vote for W. I'm looking for a "Mandate Schmandate" sticker to go right beside it too!

[imenja]

43. I resolved to keep my bumper stickers until yesterday ....need replacement

Having a failed candidate's sticker on forever is, in my view, on the pathetic side. I need to find something to put over it. What bumper stickers do others like?

[katinmn]

45. I ordered one of these, thanks to renaissanceguy

renaissanceguy
33. Put one of these on instead.


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.16200506

[imenja]

46. Awesome! And so timely!

[pick_a_dilly]

47. Senator WHO????? Kerry??? never heard of him... n/t

;-(

[LittleClarkie]

48. I still see K/E bumper stickers here and there

One or two a week. I pump my fist at each one.

Mine are still there, plus a Kerry button on the inside of my jacket. There it will stay. It has no year on it, so I decided it was recycleable. Plus I am a Kerry the man supporter, not just for Prez.

I hope I continue to see K/E bumperstickers in the years ahead. It at the very least shows that each of these people don't support the Bush agenda.

My favorite non-K/E sticker has been "51% is NOT a mandate"