GOP expected to file suit over Gregoire win. (puke alert)

[Carl Brennan]

If there was ever any doubt about who controls the mainstream press in this country let there be no more.

The only state in the US where voting irregularities are front page news and it is where a Republican "loser" is challenging a Democrat.

This proves that the Republicans OWN the mainstream media in this country and that they systematically, and totally locked down the news about much more glaring examples of election fraud/irregularities as in Ohio and other states where volumes of information were submitted by thousands of people to the MSM. This lockdown was done simply and solely because it was a challenge to one of their own. They coerce, bribe, or in some other way cow any journalist in the country that attempts to get a story out that they don't want to be heard and they have the money to endlessly challenge any election that does not go in their favor.

The pathologically hypocritical Slade Gordon, considered a moderate, shows the degenerative effects of being in the midst of such a vile group of fascist slime. I hope he was puking between the statements cited here; at least that would be a sign that he has some decency left.
Neo-con Republicanism/fascism is a disease and those who perpetuate it are a threat to all things civilized.

Gop to file lawsuit: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002144... <http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002144016_gopsuit06m.html>

OLYMPIA — The Republican court challenge to Christine Gregoire's election as governor, expected to be filed today, will center on mishandled provisional ballots in King County and lingering questions about why the county shows more votes counted than people voting on Nov. 2.
That's Republican candidate Dino Rossi's best bet for getting a judge to overturn Gregoire's 129-vote victory, said former U.S. Sen. Slade Gorton. Gorton, an attorney who lost his Senate seat in a close 2000 race, is not part of Rossi's legal team but is a close adviser to the candidate and has been consulted about the imminent legal challenge.

"That will be the primary ground of any election contest," Gorton said yesterday.
"And I've got to say I think it's not only a valid argument, but a compelling argument."
The lawsuit also will likely include allegations of votes by dead people and felons, and multiple votes by the same voter. But those issues, while garnering much attention among Rossi supporters in recent days, will be secondary.

"If you're bringing one of these things, I suppose you throw everything in," Gorton said.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

1. The ol' double standard again

Fucking hypocrites!

[BrklynLiberal]

2. So much for that "historical" stand in Congress yesterday......

[The Blue Flower]

3. All things considered

such as the reality we had to face yesterday, I'm in favor of anything that brings the issue of voting fraud into the mainstream. WA Democrats now can cite Ohio in their arguments and get this issue into national conversation.

[Nothing Without Hope]

18. I agree. They can't have it both ways, and publicity is good n/t

[Amaryllis]

36. See this study indicating machine fraud in Snohomish Co. This info needs

to be spread far and wide, and if they do a revote, it needs to be paper ballots and hand recount!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss//duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=268654&mesg_id=268654

[pa28]

4. "Won't this just encourage the conspiracy theorists".

Judy Woodruff said this yesterday. Not me.

[greenmutha]

5. Hee-hee! I just sent it to Olbermann!

He's gonna have a field day with this!

:toast:

Oh, and let's not forget:

:loveya:

[understandinglife]

12. Be sure to send him this link, as well:

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/mediaSnohomishCounty.htm

Everyone should!

[understandinglife]

6. Bring it on -- they may well give us the best shot we've got at ....

....leveraging the challenge in the US Congress yesterday, into a broad exposition to ~ 30 % of our fellow citizens who voted on 2 Nov 2004 that they have no basis in reality for thinking their vote was counted as they intended.

Specifically, see:

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/mediaSnohomishCounty.htm

A followup to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x235137

This is being reviewed by members of Congress and others.

Dino and gang are asking for something they will regret.

Peace.

[mimitabby]

8. yes, talk about getting what you asked for!!

i hope they do blow it wide open and discover just how many
votes arent theirs at all, given to them by those
sequoia machines

[Melynn]

30. Soooo Hypocritical

The Repunkicans have made a fatal error. Now, everyone will see how hypocritical they are and how they will do anything.....and I mean anything to gain power.

[understandinglife]

7. I urge everyone to nominate this thread to the homepage (n/t)

[Carl Brennan]

15. Thanks for that.

:toast:

[fasttense]

9. You just uncovered the fraud.

Note what the Repugs are claiming. They are the ones who committed the fraud and they know where to look.

This is HOT. The Repugs just showed their hand!!!!

We need to focus on:

"mishandled provisional ballots."
"More votes than registered voters."
"Votes by dead people and felons."
"Multiple votes by the same voter."
"Improperly "enhanced" ballots when the voter intent was not clear."

I'm excited. I'm going to do some research on this. But most of it looks like you have to look at the polling books.

Also keep in mind what they are NOT saying. I'm not sure what that is exactly but the machines are conspicuously absent.

[woodsprite]

10. January 10th polling books are supposed to be public in Ohio - right?

[understandinglife]

11. "....but the machines are conspicuously absent." Indeed. Check # 6.

[Carl Brennan]

13. hee, hee. That is good.

:toast:

[seemslikeadream]

14. Yes it was

:toast:


:hi:

[babsbunny]

19. Love It!

I love what you wrote!

[Carl Brennan]

29. Thank you

I just hope that this story grows legs. I want to talk to the person who wrote the article and see if he would like to do a story on "the same thing" going on in Ohio.

[bemis12]

16. Another tie, like Florida 2000

Where the margin of error decides it. Tough luck, they'll just have to lose this one and GET OVER IT.

[Carolab]

17. Oh, yes, please DO open that particular can of worms!

"why the county shows more votes counted than people voting on Nov. 2."

Ask Carlo LoParo--that's just because not everyone signed the pollbooks! Don't you know?

[Botany]

21. Please open this can of worms

Machine fraud in washington!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x268

This could help show national intent to "steal" elections

I pray the repugs try to open up this can of worms.

I live in Ohio and I know it was stolen here. And the #s nationwide just do not
make any sense. God I hope we can get the pot boiling for bush when he goes to be
Kinged.

I still see him sitting there laughing as the polls show him getting his ASS Kicked
nationwide. No doubt some local repig lee klans went along for the ride on the
election theft bus that Herr Rove was driving.

[Botany]

23. Wrong link

Machine fraud in washington

http://www.votersunite.org/info/SnohomishElectionFraudI...

[iwantmycountryback]

20. Hypocrossi

Filthy, disgusting, hypocrossi. We really live in an Orwellian world.

[dkofos]

22. Didn't work in Ohio

Shouldn't work in Washington

GET OVER IT

[mimitabby]

25. it didn't work in OHIO because democrats were complaining

GOP complaining just might get us a real investigation.
they can't ignore the machine fraud if they cover all the others.

[dkofos]

27. Just watch them

[dkofos]

24. I'm suprised

I would have thought one of the DEM's would have mentioned the Washington election during the EC debate.

[Pacifist Patriot]

26. That has me puzzled as well. I do believe there was orchestrated

strategy behind Jan 6, and can see arguments for why they would or would not bring it up. My guess is they want to be able to use it for hypocrisy fodder in the fight? *shrug* At least I would hope.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Land Shark]

35. Senator Wyden D-OR mentioned WA state

[GetTheRightVote]

28. We must boycott all media forms as much as possible, as well

as use our passion to bring down the right wing of politics in this country. They have no love to their country men/women. Look at the country they have given to us, a country hated by the rest of the world, a country where stealing elections is a dialy event worth planning for, they are the lowest life form on this earth and we must start treating them this way. They are the enemy from within and out to destory the left wing with the help of the weak kneed Dems.

:mad:

[manly]

31. manly

I see the Republicans are complaining that the Democrats show a number of dead people voting in Washington state. First, a bit of clarification is in order. There are basically two kinds of dead people. There are the physically dead, and there are the brain- dead. It's about time somebody paid attention to the brain-dead, who have had no representation for years, not since Reagan held office while in that condition. George Bullshit, incidentally, presents a different kind of problem than Reagan. Doctors haven't been able to determine if George is brain-dead, or if the aliens have simply removed his grey matter, and inserted a program apparently manufactured by Diebold, simple but effective(for walking and blinking, though very erratic when it comes to speech). I lean toward the Diebold theory.
One of the signs of life in humans is mental activity. This provides us with a template against which to measure American voters. People who voted for George Bullshit have tested out as having the mental activity on a par with a drunk armadillo. This does not qualify them as brain-alive, and yet they voted. People who believe G.Bullshit about WMD voted, people who liked his Mission Accomplished stunt voted, and on and on. Examples are plentiful of people believing the most preposterous G.Bullshit bullshit. These people, obviously dead from the neck up,voted for one of their own, and almost succeeded in electing him president, twice.
It is most unseemly that the party of the brain-dead, the party that hijacked the Ohio vote, should accuse the Democrats of Republican behavior, but it is an established Nazi technique, accusing your opponents of crimes you yourself have committed, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[manly]

32. brain-dead in Washington

"brain-dead in Washington"
This is the correct subject for the post erroneously titled "manly."

[mikelewis]

33. How can we use this?

Any ideas how we can use this call for an election contest by the repubs to help us push for election reform?

[Carl Brennan]

43. I am going to try to contact the author of this article

tomorrow and see if he will run something on the situation in Ohio.

Maybe we could send this article to other papers to see if they want to take a bite at the story and this would, at least, make the dem's claims something more than a "conspiracy theory". This story does add credibility to the dems claims elsewhere.

[EFerrari]

34. Anyone know if Olympia is ready for another Brooks Bros riot? nt

[jsw_81]

37. But wouldn't we do the same?

Look, I'm a Democrat (even lived in Gregoire's hometown for a while), but this "victory" looks extremely suspicious. I despise Republicans, but if the people of Washington chose Rossi then dammit he should get to serve!

Imagine a gubernatorial election where (a) the Democratic candidate is ahead on election night, (b) the Democratic candidate is ahead after two machine recounts, and (c) the Republican candidate miraculously pulls ahead -- by 100 or so votes -- only after a county that is a notorious Republican stronghold reports in with mysterious "new" votes that were found after the election. Wouldn't every single Democrat on the planet question such a victory? Wouldn't DUers be screaming at the top of their lungs? Of course! Yet when you replace the D with an R in the above scenario everyone here just looks the other way and wants to move on. Gregoire's 100-vote margin is final and shouldn't be questioned, but Bush's 100,000-margin in Ohio is obviously "fraud" and should be challenged in the courts, in Congress etc. etc. How pathetic and hypocritical on our part.

Are we really so desperate for power that we will overlook obvious corruption on our side in order to get it? If so, then how are we any different from the Republicans who stole Florida?

[Lurker321]

38. Hear hear.

I obviously could not write the above without being tombstoned, as I have seen done to many low-post-count posters who "dared" to differ with the groupthink here, but may I commend you on your lack of bias. And don your asbestos suit.

[Skittles]

56. all this points to the need for election reform

but you will not hear those thieving bastard republicans calling for THAT

[Land Shark]

39. This points to the need for transparency

the above "reversal of perspective" points to the proper standard for free and fair elections: the loser has to accept that they lost by a fair and square process. Thus, "sore loserman" attacks are very misguided because in the end democracy will be undermined if the government doesn't provide proper elections that all can believe in, and elections have always been based on verification by an adversarial process (observers of all aspects by all parties) and never based in any substantial amount on TRUST, which it is with proprietary vote counting software.

[corbett]

40. The Point Is That The State Was Recounted Twice

We're not desperate. We're resolute. When the Democrats called for the first recount, the Republicans called us sore losers and told us to get over it. When we raised $1,000,000 for the hand count, they said the same thing. When we got a judge to order one county to include 700± ballots which weren't in the initial count, the Republicans decried it as changing the rules.

Now, after we have jumped through all of their hoops and beaten them at their own game, they scream fraud and sue to have the whole thing set aside. Talk about sore losers!

[Andy_Stephenson]

41. I unfortunately have to agree with the Republicans on this...

The King county elections office is so mismanaged and full of self serving individuals...that even I don't trust the results from King county. They could tell me black is black and I would not believe them.

King County has a long history of election problems. They even scapegoated and fired an employee trying to expose Diebold. So in the case of Rossi V Gregoire...I have to side with Rossi on this one. BTW mine was one of the 700+ ballots you mentioned.


Andy

[eridani]

46. Yes, the elections office is mismanaged--but

--what about the hand recount? Was that mismanaged? Seems to me there were more eyeballs on that than we've had on any vote count for many a moon, and lots of eyeballs minimized hankypanky.

[Andy_Stephenson]

47. The problem eridani

is the extra voters. Believe me...no one would like to see this thing over more than me. But the problems we are seeing out of King County are problems they were warned about back in September. Bill Hunnekins told me point blank that all the registrations were done. When I knew well and good they were not done. In fact they were stacked up on a desk I could see from the counter at the elections office. My ballot was not counted, because Mr Hunnekins did not want to send an employee to the warehouse to retrieve my registration card. These problems underscore the issues in King County. Chris will win again in a revote...and possibly King County will get the elections office straightened out. But Dean Logan, Bill Hunnekins and Nicole Way all three need to go. They have lied and tried to cover up material facts, facts that had they been up front about we might have avoided the fiasco we are facing now.

[eridani]

55. I agree that the Kind County elections people have to go

However--don't see what this has to do with a revote. They were disorganized 6 weeks ago, and Rossi didn't want a revote, and they will be disorganized a month from now, when the supposed revote takes place.

[claudiajean]

51. The specific problem with the hand recount...

...is that while the counters may have been diligently and accurately counting the boxes given to them, the problem lay within how many boxes and ballots there were in the first place. And that issue was managed (or mis-managed) entirely by permanent King County Staff.

The volunteer (or semi-volunteer) counters had no control over the previous handling of the ballots in the six weeks preceeding the hand count.

[Carl Brennan]

42. You completely missed the point of my topic.

hint: it's about censorship.

[nancyharris]

44. DUH!

<"The only state in the US where voting irregularities are front page news and it is where a Republican "loser" is challenging a Democrat.
">

That's because the Repubican candidate in Washington contested the election. Had Kerry contested the election in Ohio the MSM would be reporting on it day and night. Why should the MSM care about Ohio if Kerry doesn't?

[Philly Buster]

48. Good point

[Carl Brennan]

50. The Ohio election was contested by two other

candidates and this news was sent out to the MSM ad nauseum. The MSM not only did not report it, but they attacked those people writing about it as "conspiracy nuts".



The Washington Post: "...."spread-sheet weilding conspiracy theorists are filling the Internet.....";
The Nation's David Corn:
...." Before the vote counting was done, the e-mails started arriving. The election's been stolen! Fraud! John Kerry won! In the following days, these charges flew over the Internet. The basic claim was that the early exit polls -- which showed Kerry ahead of George W. Bush -- were right; the vote tallies were rigged. Could this be? Or have ballot booths with electronic voting machines become the new Grassy Knoll for conspiracy theorists?"

MSNBC's Oberman citing a Fox news account:
On Fox News' "Special Report," Brit Hume raised the nut conspiracy theories circulating on the Web about Republicans stealing the presidential election.

By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
November 12, 2004


Washington (CNSNews.com) - The charge by some on the left that President George Bush stole the 2004 presidential election was dismissed Thursday as "Internet conspiracy theories" by the author of a new book on voter fraud.

John Fund, the author of "Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy" and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, told CNSNews.com that "you can always tell a losing party by the number of people in the fever swamps who come up with elaborate conspiracy theories to explain the fact that the real problem is they lost an election."
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epap... <http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epaper/2004/11/12/m1a_Conspiracy_1112.html>
Bush's wins on Democratic turf fuel conspiracy cries
By Jane Musgrave
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 12, 2004

Internet bloggers and other conspiracy theorists point to Dixie and many of the state's other rural Democratic-leaning counties to shore up their beliefs that the election was stolen from Kerry
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?artic... <http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=46608>
Conspiracy theorists focus on voting machines
By DAN THANH DANG
The Baltimore Sun
Comcast

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[NationalEnquirer]

53. Sure we would, but lets use this to our advantage!

Lets use this example as a way to get Republican support for Election Reform.

[Diane R]

59. No comparison.

I live in Washington State, too. And, I think you are missing an important distinction.

Every single vote counted in the hand count was observed by a democrat and a republican. Nothing was done without the full public gaze. No backroom counting, no technicians working on machines. Every ballot that was in dispute was discussed by a bipartison board. And, at the end of all that, Gregoire won by 10 votes....129 after ballots that had been lost (and previously unprocessed) were counted. They were not previously rejected votes, they were previously misplaced votes. Big difference.

Gregoire did win. Rossi got a much fairer opportunity for a fair and balanced election than national democrats have in the last two presidential elections.

[Carolab]

45. On Monday they swear in the new representatives and senators

for Washington's state legistature. On Tuesday, they certify the vote. If there is any objection to Gregoire, it goes to the house and senate, which as of Monday will be Democratic majorities. So how do you think they'll vote?

So if they want to sue after she's certified, why couldn't Kerry sue since Bush has been certified?

As heard on NPR tonight.

[Philly Buster]

49. WA state law has a provision allowing them to sue until Jan 22

It was an election for state office.

You can't compare Kerry in Ohio to Rossi in WA - apples and oranges legally and Constitutionally.

The Constitutional way to protest Ohio was followed on Jan 6. It's over for Kerry.

[NationalEnquirer]

52. Hypocrites!

You know, there must be SOME WAY we can get the republicans to do some of OUR bidding! If they are THIS upset over Washingtone, lets tell them, hey, CLEAN UP ALL ELECTIONS! Maybe we can use this to our own ends? I hate hypocrites, HATE EM!

[bunny planet]

54. Gee, who looks like desperate sore-loserman now!!!!

I say we go after the 'mishandled' provisional ballots in OHIO, that is if they haven't shredded them already. What a bunch of nasty, low-down, hypocrites the Repugs are.

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[berniew1]

60. There was vote machine fraud in Washington in Pres. race, look into Gov.

also. If Florida where there is default to bush fraud documented in touchscreens, there was also default to Martinez fraud in the U.S. Senate race. Someone should look into whether there was default to Rossi in the Gov. race.
http://www.flcv.com/snohomis.html