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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:26 PM Original message |
L.A. Times National Exit Poll: Bush 51, Kerry 48. Read and weep - I did. |
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Darkhawk32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. 136 polling places across the nation.... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. Exactly how many would be good methodology? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. It doesn't nullify the valid concerns surrounding election, but |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. You are too kind. |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I agree 100%. There are many, many valid concerns |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. LA Times Poll - Bought and paid for by Bush/Chaney Inc. |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
41. The LA Times is not |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. Did they ask anyone who had waited in line for 4 to 6 hours? |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Disenfrachisement is obviously a HUGE concern. |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. How could disfranchisement NOT have changed the popular vote? |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. the 500,000 "disfranchised felons" in Florida. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. the same la times that had outrageous polls for bush n/t |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. The L.A. Times is a center/left newspaper these days. n/t |
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RaulVB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
8. If you want to believe on this construction, be my guest! (n/t) |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. # ?s |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Yeah, and according to the same poll |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. That's the problem! Our people didn't Exit - They never got in! n/t |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Great reply! |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. I do believe that if everyone who wanted to vote was able to AND |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Your point that we do not yet have evidence of enough election |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Thanks Indy! I love that man! kick ! |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. And let him get away with it ? Not on your life. We are different |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. I bet the senators/congressmen had this in hand, just in case |
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Wabbajack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
14. LOL |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Interesting fact about that PDF. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
16. Appreciate your posting this |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I can answer at least one of your questions. |
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mycatforpresident (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
17. "Precincts were chosen |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Alternately, they could have chosen precincts that trended with |
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mycatforpresident (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. A coupla reasons I believe they are cherry-picked |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
21. What is the Times own assessment of this poll? |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Good question. See my post #19 for a possible scheme whereby |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I think they use this kind of poll for the survey questions... |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. The objective is targeted survey data... |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. This is why I was VERY surprised when Bush "won" Ohio |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
26. Another question |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
48. When I saw CNN changing the data between midnight and 1am, ... |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. Simple for me - the LATimes has no credibility with me. I regret that |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. You are correct.... |
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waz_nc (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
31. Isn't this within the margin of error? |
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waz_nc (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. sorry I need to correct this |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
32. There is a lot wrong here |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. These are pretty good points and it's not my purpose to defend |
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euler (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
35. Same old forum. Nothings changed. Apparently nothing learned. |
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missouri dem 2 (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
37. I wonder if your are aware of the definition of your chosen name? |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Very interesting. If you read his #22. about -- nothing here, move on |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 09:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. You might also look up "irony." |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
38. How do we know this poll wasn't "adjusted" with vote tallies like the NEP |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
43. Thank you... |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 09:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Wow - there was good reason to be optimistic on Election Day. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Can you tell us why you don't think the Mitofski-Edison polls |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. Good enough... |
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bemis12 (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
47. The odds of that are |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
50. I don't believe anything by msm. |
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Bill MI (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
51. Don't get mad, get LOUD!!! |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
52. OBVIOUSLY BOGUS. LOOK AT WHO, WHEN, HOW & WHERE THEY POLLED. |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. TIA, look again... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
53. If Bush won Ohio |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. yep. |
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rdmccur (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
57. Sounds like another of those |
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regularjoe (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
58. Please don't attack mountebank |
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rdmccur (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-05 11:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Not an attack just another perspective |
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