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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:18 PM
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What is Cliff Arenbeck hiding from us?
Remember a month ago when he kept saying we had edvidence that 60,000 votes migrated from Kerry to Bush?

Remember how Katrina found something and Arenbeck told her to keep quiet about it?

So.......why hasn't he released it yet for Conyers to tell the Democrat Senators? Why hasn't he released it yet for hearings in his lawsuit?
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:27 PM
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1. kick
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:32 PM
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2. It wasn't in the filing to the Ohio SC n/t
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:04 AM
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62. I wonder why
:shrug:
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:39 PM
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3. why hasn't he released it......dunno.
I just have a feeling he will. And after he does, he will write a book......that will become a movie.........the guy will be a MILLIONAIRE.
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:45 PM
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4. While we all get screwed
for him not giving it the brave ones who stood up. Then again if he did, the MSM would ignore that part and simply state "voting irregularities" instead of whatever it was.
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:52 PM
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7. Wouldn't Conyers have been privvy to anything Arnebeck had?
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:06 PM
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8. ARNEBECK Letter Challenging Congress Jan. 6; claims fraud

Edited to add link: http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/10...
and
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

From: Arnebeck@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:02:40 EST
Subject: Arnebeck Letter to Congress Regarding Electoral Vote Challenge
To: AllianceCouncil@topica.com
X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117

Clifford O. Arnebeck, Jr.
Arnebeck Law Office
1351 King Ave., 1st Floor
Columbus, Ohio 43212
614-481-8416
Fax: 614-481-8387
Email: <mailto:Arnebeck@aol.com >Arnebeck@aol.com

January 6, 2005

Dear United States Senator or Member of Congress:

Today, you are being asked to certify the reported votes of the Electoral
College even though the status of the Ohio electors is still the subject of
the meritorious election contest. You are being asked to do so on the
basis of one or more of the following three fallacies:
1) The faith-based neocon fallacy that vote counts do not have to be
independently verified.
This new "con" holds that facts may be overcome by assertions of faith by
those in power. Thus, the Bush campaign co-chair for Ohio and Secretary of
State Kenneth Blackwell need not count 106,000 as yet uncounted Ohio
ballots, because he has faith they would not make a difference in the
reported 119,000 vote difference even thought these uncounted votes all are
in areas of Ohio that demonstrated strong support for John Kerry, and
because, as Secretary of State he has the power not to count them.

A corollary of this fallacy is that Ken Blackwell need not answer questions
under oath. The answers to such questions might upset peoples' faith in the
new "con."
2) The fallacy that Karl Rove is a nice guy/clean campaigner, and those who
suspect otherwise with respect to this election which Bush was expected to
lose, are conspiracy theorists.
Karl Rove fights hard for what he wants . . . a worthy quality. However, no
one has accused him of being a stickler for cleanliness in his campaigns.

Yet, you are being asked to believe that fewer machines and longer lines in
Afro-American precincts, the scandalously lower vote counts in
Afro-American precincts, the confusion over precincts and ballots and
counts and the disproportionate requirement that Afro-American voters vote
provisionally all as unintentional glitches.

You are being asked to believe that the biggest glitch of all, that is Ohio
and national vote counts which are realistically impossible in light of the
exit poll results, is accidental
Those of Jewish faith and Afro-American ethnicity are being labeled as
conspiracy theorists rather than people with a special insight based upon
historical maltreatment in institutions like slavery and the Holocaust, for
their belief that anybody intentionally directed all these glitches just at
them.
3) The rule of power fallacy which exempts those in power from the rule of
law and the rules of evidence.

This fallacy is based upon the double standard where rules applied to
others do not apply to those in power. America, because it is the world's
military superpower, may use
exit polls to verify or challenge the validity of elections in other
countries, such as
the Ukraine, Mexico and others, but exit polling may not be used to
challenge election results reported in the United States.

In the United States the party in power, that is, the Bush-Republican
Party, may exempt itself from rules which apply to Democrats and those not
in control of the Bush-Republican Party.

The rule of power fallacy is the most important of these three fallacies
because it teaches Democrats like John Kerry, John Edwards and Terry
McAuliffe that there is no point in challenging Bush Republicans based upon
law or fact because Bush Republicans control the Congress, the Courts and
the Presidency and will use that control to impose their will no matter
what may be the facts or the law.
In my experience over the past four years in successfully litigating on
behalf of the non-partisan Alliance for Democracy in partnership with
Common Cause/Ohio as Chairman of its Legal Affairs Committee against the
Ohio Chamber of Commerce and the Chamber of Commerce of the United States
neither the candidates nor the party that have been targeted by the
approximately $14 million of illegal corporate money have been involved as
parties or public supporters of the litigation. In politics the targeted
candidates and parties place a higher priority upon avoiding the appearance
being sore losers than upon seeking the true facts and upholding the rule
of law.
It does not surprise me, based upon my most recent election litigation
experience, that John Kerry and the Democratic Party which appear to have
been the intended victim of the most massive election fraud in history are
not contesting this election.
In contrast to the intended victims of this fraud, you as a United States
Senator, whether a member of the Democratic or Republican Party are called
upon to judge this election not as a party but as a judge. You are bound
by your oath to uphold the Constitution to judge this election
independently and objectively with regard to the facts and the law.

Ohio voters who formally contest the November 2, 2004, contest the election
not only for its irregularities, but also because the evidence shows that a
majority of Ohio voters and a majority of American voters voted for John
Kerry. We assert that the evidence for this meets, not only the clear and
convincing standard of Ohio law for an election contest, but also the
"beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of criminal law.

Ohio's Secretary of State has refused to answer questions under oath as to
either the blatant irregularities or the results he has certified. He is
stonewalling, on the apparent belief that Congress will simply proceed to
count Ohio's electoral votes today, along with the votes of all the other
states, and the matter will be over. He is looking to Congress to free him
and others from responding to the overwhelming evidence that the Ohio
election results he certified are fraudulent and that John Kerry won Ohio
and therefore the presidency.
In the 2000 presidential election the U.S. Supreme Court took
responsibility for stopping the verification and counting Florida votes for
purposes of the certification of the Florida presidential electors. The
Congress then took responsibility for accepting, without challenge, the
unverified electoral votes of Florida.

A consortium of news organizations took the initiative to count all the
Florida votes after the inauguration of George W. Bush. Thus, history now
records the fact that Albert Gore actually won the Florida popular vote had
all votes been properly counted.

Based upon the evidence, uncontroverted by any sworn testimony whatsoever,
if the Ohio litigation challenging the Ohio presidential vote is allowed to
proceed, it will promptly establish as a matter of fact that John Kerry won
Ohio and Presidency.

All of the Ohio votes, whether cast or simply tabulated on computerized
voting machines, can and should be promptly counted by independent
companies whose tabulating equipment, personnel, procedures and software
are fully transparent to both political parties and the independent
nonpartisan groups that support an honest Ohio election.

For us to complete our non-partisan job of litigating the Ohio election
result we need your help in challenging the electoral votes of every state,
until due process in our litigation can be completed. If instead, you
accept the reported electoral college votes today or limit your challenge
only to the Ohio vote, it appears likely that the Ohio Supreme Court will
dismiss our election challenge as moot because the challenged Ohio electors
will today have been fully discharged by the completed act of Congress.

Because of the importance of this matter, history requires that the Ohio
2004 presidential election votes ultimately be accurately counted. If that
happens after an inauguration, then, based upon the evidence at hand,
history would record that, for a second time, George W. Bush would have
been elected on the basis of an incorrect count of the votes that were
actually cast and that, for a second time the Congress certified an
inaccurate Presidential election result.

Sincerely yours,

Clifford O. Arnebeck, Jr.

Chairman of the Ohio Honest Election Campaign and Co-Chair of the Alliance
for Democracy
Counsel of Record for the Contestors in Rev. Bill Moss et al. v. Bush et
al., Supreme Court of Ohio, Ca
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:11 PM
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:20 PM
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16. Yeah! Show me the evidence of your claims:
"He has not shown evidence to anyone of his claims. Not to Conyers, not to Boxer, not to Kerry,

He has no concrete evidence only his theories."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:23 PM
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:28 PM
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21. "said" Why do you suppose there is a suit to preserve evidence?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:18 PM
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14. Oh, my day is complete, Arnebeck has finally been trashed and thrashed
:nuke:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:55 PM
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28. Charlatan? Yuo Haven't Been Paying Attention Which Is Sad Since You
unnecassarily cast aspersions.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:49 PM
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:11 PM
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10. OMG LOL!!!
:eyes:
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:13 PM
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12. Right!?!
:dunce:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:06 PM
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32. FAYE!!!
Are ya back, or still in DC?

BTW: You weren't in the Senate gallery yesterday, were you? As they were winding up the show, and saying "when all is said and done, GWB has won this election fairly." I heard a woman's voice yell out "NO, HE DIDN'T," and giggled, because I thought it was YOU! :)
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:09 PM
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34. LOL no that wasn't me
but i wouldn't put it past myself to do something like that. and yes i am back, check down the page for my posts about my trip to D.C. and the DU meetups.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:13 PM
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11. Like Oh my God... Totally!
Not.

:eyes:
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:48 PM
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25. Oh, RIGHT-O! LMAO!!!
Yeah, sure. All those people out here who voted for Bush in 2000, then saw the HIDEOUS TRAVESTY of his administration and now regret ever voting for him--all just a myth! Ha ha! Gee, I've hallucinated all those people whom I heard say this personally...... NOT!

Keep whistlin' past the ol' graveyard, ha ha. Bush is a fraud. I don't know who'll get voted worst president of the 20th century, but I feel confident that Bush can easily win "worst president of the 21st century."
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:34 AM
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51. ....YAWN....... tired of this tripe (menudo)
"the doctor is NOT in the house,(or on the planet)"
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:36 AM
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53. Maybe he is spending too much time with his medical
malpractice suits against docs? <sarcasm>
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:14 PM
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13. What is Arnebeck hiding from us?
I bet he has a stuffed Teddy Bear behind his back! Hehehehe... :evilgrin:

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I don't think Arnebeck is hiding anything that he could tell us without endangering the case. And remember we don't just want local or state crooks... we want the crooks in high places. We've waited until after Jan 6, and we can wait longer if need be.

:kick:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:19 PM
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:23 PM
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18. Doc - We gotta get the bad guys! Okay? Take no prisoners! (n/t)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:25 PM
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:29 PM
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23. You got big ideas?? Tell all... (n/t)
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:26 PM
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20. It may be "officially moot", but it will be quite a show
when the machines are analyzed (Federal Circuit court suit to preserve and secure evidence). Conyers investigation is NOT completed. Expect a Special Prosecutor.

Ya will be able to write your pal Blackwell c/o Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:29 PM
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22. If you want to see some evidence, look here
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:35 PM
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24. Yes
I have learned so much from DU. My running tally of enemies.

Kerry: Enemy
Kerry's Lawyers: Enemy
Kerry's Brother: Enemy
Edwards: Enemy
Keef: Enemy
Keef's BLOG: Enemy
Arnebeck: Enemy
Jackson: Involved in lawsuit with the enemy
Democrats (with few exceptions): Enemy
DNC: Enemy
DLC: Enemy
CW: Enemy

Did I miss anyone?

What Are They (my enemies) Hiding?

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:49 PM
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26. Seito - Democrats' enemy numero uno!
:evilgrin:

You forgot Poland!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:31 PM
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38. hahaha
finally--i smiled today
:yourock:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:40 AM
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65. LOL
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:04 PM
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29. Seito, you crack me up. LOL
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 11:06 PM by Blue_In_AK
My sentiments exactly. Hello out there ....

George W. Bush - the enemy
Dick Cheney - the enemy
Tom DeLay - the enemy
Ken Blackwell - the enemy
Paul Wolfowitz - the enemy
Donald Rumsfeld - the enemy
All those Republican idiot Congress people who trashed us yesterday - DEFINITELY THE ENEMY

on and on and on

I'm sure we could think of many more people to put on the enemy list other than the people who are on our side.

Puh-leeze!!
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:40 AM
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64. Take a look at my reply to you
in the thread about Kerry's trip to Iraq. It concerns a certain person of unfathomable negativity.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:05 PM
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31. LMAO
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 11:05 PM by Faye
best post of the day :toast:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:38 AM
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55. Agree!
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:42 AM
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57. The Clintons....they caused it ALL, 2000 elections, 9/11, 2004
Bush's bandaged face, Barbara's green shoes, Hussein in spider hole, sun spots and global warming, and the color chartreuse.
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Bill MI Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:49 PM
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27. Don't get mad, get LOUD!!!
We need to flood the Judiciary Repuglicans with e-mails, letters, and phone calls in order to get them to understand how important this is. They MUST hold FULL investigations with subpeona powers.

<http://judiciary.house.gov/contact.aspx>

The idiots have megaphones, but we have numbers!

The Senate Democrats were cowed, this time by their constituents, into doing what they should have done in 2000. We can't stop now. The Fight has only begun!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:04 PM
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30. In lawsuits, you don't show your strategy to the other side, it's not YOU
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:08 PM
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33. I believe Arnebeck is working with Wayne Madsen
Don't know if there may be a connection?
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:02 AM
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43. I believe he is too
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 12:04 AM by KingoftheJungle
I can't confirm it, but several sources I worked with who were working with Madsen began working with Arnebeck recently (although I do not know involved it is), and there appears to be some sort of collaboration going on between the parties as similar information is released between them. Again this is just speculation but I do believe Arnebeck has recently been getting more involved with Madsen and the research teams surrounding that "aspect" of the case. I doubt anything has come forth as a result of this purported collaberation, but it is early yet and we may have some pleasant surprises in store. (I can only hope)
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:31 AM
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49. I'd be happy if what they were working on added up to an impeachable
OFFENSE or MORE!!!
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:37 AM
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54. so do I (I think we all do)
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:04 AM
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44. You believe -- would you mind backing that up?
Lotta stuff just swirling around in this thread, with NO documentation.

Let's see what you got.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:00 AM
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60. They've talked, I know.
A friend said Arnebeck believed Madsen to be generally credible.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:11 PM
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35. *Belch****
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 11:11 PM by Malikshah
Wheww..boy, sorry, guess you can all smell the Bev Harris I ate last month on my breath...time for another round...mmmm that Arnebeck looks mighty tasty. Who's got some A-1 handy? ;)
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:14 PM
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36. haha thats hilarious! nt
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:17 PM
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37. Not half as funny as your photoshopping of Cruellawell.
:)
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:42 AM
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66. lmao
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:45 PM
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39. Pppsssstttt, come here ....
IT'S A SECRET!!! :freak:
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:48 PM
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41. oooohhh. A secret??
Cool. Maybe he's involved in a chess game too.

(sorry--I love all these threads)
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:54 PM
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42. Maybe, maybe not!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:11 AM
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45. Check your pm merh (nt)
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:18 AM
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47. Got it, check yours!
Thanks :thumbsup:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:20 AM
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48. Roger! (n/t)
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #39
61. I want a secret too
so long as it's not a raspberry in my ear
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:46 PM
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40. someone should email him and ask what the status is
His email is arnebeck@aol.com

Seems like a nice guy, but nothing concrete seemed to come from his efforts.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:13 AM
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46. First off, I hope he's hiding everything - this place can't keep a secret!
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 12:13 AM by FreepFryer
More seriously, if Arnebeck's case had been heard before the election, there would have been action in the court around overturning the election.

If his evidence had been brought in full to Congress yesterday (I think some is in the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff Investigation Status Report) it would only have marginalized it - the Senators and Representatives would have voted along party lines at best, ensuring a dead end for Arnebeck's thrust.

Now, he can bring the case through channels, and although it is in the GOP-swarming legislature, executive and judiciary of the state of OH, it is a real lawsuit, not an Electoral challenge easily disposed with a simple dual house majority.

Remember how poorly the Supreme Court decided for the winning candidate (Gore) last time, when there were nine votes?

Now, after the Constitutional deadline of Jan 6., the issue of overturning the election, while not absent, moves into the background and doesn't hamstring a real investigative effort - and finally, proving the crime of fraud in great detail with cross-corroboration becomes the goal.

In a weird way, the suit having been delayed after the certification may have been the best thing to ensure the election fraud case has maximium penetration.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:33 AM
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50. .
:think:
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:35 AM
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52. He isn't hiding his incompetence
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 12:42 AM by euler
Have you read his lawsuits ?

I noticed something. Someone tell me if you noticed the same thing. It looked like every single theory about fraud that appeared in a thread here in this forum was listed in his lawsuit. It's almost as if he simply read this forum, copied and pasted the best fraud posts and submitted it.

In addition, his letter to congress he sent out yesterday was embarrasing. I cringed when I read it. I don't think Arnebeck did a single useful thing.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:48 AM
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59. I think he did a great job. I'm not a lawyer but my understanding
was he only needed to show a general case of fraud, and would then be granted the rights to discovery which is where the real, "paper" evidence could of been gathered. Having the chief Justice as partisan as he is AND involved in the suit and not recusing himself are real crazy obstacles.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:39 AM
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56. Arnebeck is in a fight with biased courts,
and has been for many years. He is working with a "stacked deck". It is obvious to me that there continue to be roadblocks and obstacles placed in the path of these lawsuits.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:42 AM
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58. Sad &true, but I think a real win oppty v. blatant conflicts of interest
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:37 AM
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63. I believe it was in the news today or yesterday that Arnebeck just won
his case in Ohio court about Supreme Court justices and illegal contributions from advertisers or something like that. Sorry it's late and I didn't read the post carefully enough. It is supposed to be an important case and one he's been working on for awhile. But his winning that case could have something to do with both what he's been occupied with and there could be a tie in to the other case somehow. If Supreme Court justices and other judges in Ohio have been stacked on the court there to rule in favor of Repubs and they are discredited somehow through this initial lawsuit, that sounds promising to me.
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