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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:52 PM
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Rep. Nadler: "How do you get over having your vote stolen?"
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 10:24 PM by Stephanie



He is MY Congressman! He was not allowed to finish his remarks so he entered them into the record. When I hear words like "vote stolen" I have hope that our reps are going to rectify this.

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(Mr. NADLER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)



{Time: 14:30}

Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, the right to vote has been stolen from qualified voters. Stolen through corruption, through political cynicism, through incompetence, through technical malfunction.

Despite the fact that the widespread and documented irregularities in the Ohio election have not been proved to change the outcome of the presidential election, the loss of the right to vote by so many is unacceptable.

Elections must not only be fair and honest, they must be seen to be fair and honest in order to maintain the legitimacy of our democratic institutions.

This year we have dodged a bullet. If the apparent margin of victory in Ohio were closer, the Florida 2000 fiasco would look like a picnic.

* {Begin Insert}

Mr. Speaker, normally the process of counting electoral votes is a purely ceremonial event. Normally it is a celebration of our democratic institutions. Normally it is a celebration of the rule of law and equal protection of all Americans under the law.

But we do not live in normal times. the right to vote has been stolen from qualified voters--stolen through corruption, through political cynicism, and through incompetence, through technical malfunction.

Regardless of the reason, the denial of the fundamental right to vote is a crime against our democracy, against our way of life, and against the most fundamental rights of every American.

Despite the fact that the widespread and documented irregularities in the Ohio election have not been proved to have changed the outcome of the presidential election, the loss of the right to vote by so many is unacceptable.

Elections must not only be fair and honest, they must be seen to be fair and honest in order to maintain the legitimacy of our democratic institutions.

This year, we have dodged a bullet. The disgraceful events in Ohio may not have changed the outcome of the election, but a closer vote could well have made this belief impossible. If the apparent margin of victory in Ohio were 30,000 or 40,000 instead of 118,000, we would now be embroiled in a dispute that would make Florida in 2000 look like a picnic.

What is at stake is our democracy. This is not about conspiracies, or phantoms. It is about the failure to count valid votes for invalid reasons. It is about disenfranchising thousands of voters by forcing them to wait on line 10 hours to cast their votes. It is about the co-chair of the President's reelect committee serving as the chief election officer for the state, and doing everything possible to prevent voters from voting. It is about voting machines that invalidate valid votes.

We are told to get over it. How do you get over having your vote stolen? How do you get over widespread disenfranchisement?

This Congress must fully investigate these allegations, and we must act to prevent these outrages from happening again. If these outrages were criminal violations of our laws, those responsible must be brought to justice. If they were not violations of the law, they ought to be. Our next election must not again steal people's votes.

My colleagues on the other side of the aisle should not let partisan politics stand in the way of an honest assessment of this election. They should not ignore what happened. However they vote today, they should commit themselves to a full and fair investigation. Anything less would suggest that they think there is something to hide. It would suggest that there is a partisan coverup.

We can do better. We must do better.

* {End Insert}
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:02 PM
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1. If you look at these transcripts we have TURNED THE CORNER
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 10:03 PM by Stephanie
on election reform. They are FINALLY GETTING IT.

Who is this guy Cummings?

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Mr. CUMMINGS. Mr. Speaker, today this is not about overturning election results but reforming a broken election system.

Mr. Speaker, as I listen to my friends from the other side I become quite upset when I hear them say things like, we are trying to break down the election system, taking away from the credibility of our election system. Nothing could be further from the truth.

What we are trying to do is make sure that every single voter has the right to vote and that their vote is counted.

This is not a black and white issue. This is not a Republican/Democrat issue. This is a red, white and blue issue.

This Constitution that we base our country and our laws on, the fundamental things of that Constitution, that building block, is the vote; and when we take away that vote, then what we do is we basically are destroying our democracy. That is what this is all about.

I wonder, I really do, if it were your wife who was denied the right to vote or your child, would you be making the same arguments?

All we are saying is we want to make sure that if we have a broken system, if there is one person whose vote is not counted, if there is one person who does not have the right to vote, then that is one person too many. It is as simple as that.

So it upsets me that you keep saying these things about us denying Bush his opportunity to be President and all this kind of thing. That is not true.

What we are addressing is the fundamental right to vote. It is simple as that.

* {Begin Insert}

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to express concern for our nation's democracy. At its core, our form of government is based on the premise of ``one person, one vote.''

When you take away that right to vote or when you deny a cast vote from being counted, then you denigrate the building blocks of our great democracy and our Constitution.

We are not here to contest the election results, but urge election reform of a broken system.

In fact, today, we are reliving the painful experiences of the 2000 election.

Those problems included: outdated and unreliable technology, confusing ballots, lack of poll worker training, and inaccurate voting lists.

As a result, 6 million voters were disenfranchised.

We all remember that this disenfranchisement was most prevalent in Florida.

And here we stand again, four years later, to discuss flaws that led to a significant disenfranchisement of voters in the recent 2004 Presidential Election.

This is not an effort to overturn the results of the election. Rather, this is an effort to address the irregularities of the election and to fix our broken election system.

Although there were general reports of irregularities across the country, we must examine the prevalent problems that occurred in the state of Ohio, in particular.

There were numerous accounts of eligible voters--waiting on line for up to ten hours in the cold and rain--facing insufficient resources at polling places, voting machine shortages, the denial of provisional ballots, voting machine errors or tampering, and the intentional distribution of inaccurate information.

I think many of my colleagues find these irregularities appalling.

My friends of the House and Senate this is a red, white and blue issue; not black or white; not urban or rural; or even Republican or Democratic.

We must stand up to these injustices.

That is why, as a result of these irregularities, I believe these critical steps must be taken:

1. Congress needs to enact meaningful non-partisan election reform--HAVA can and needs to be improved, particularly by providing for a verified paper trail for electronic voting machines.

2. Congress should engage in further hearings into the widespread election irregularities reported in Ohio and around the country to fix our piecemeal election system.

Our duty to uphold democracy in America is clear.

If even one American is denied the right to vote, or one vote is not counted, that is simply one too many.

I applaud the brave gentlelady of Ohio, STEPHANIE TUBBS JONES, and the equally brave Senator BARBARA BOXER of the State of California for raising this contest to the electoral votes from Ohio.

I leave this great Chamber with a fitting quote from Thomas Jefferson, `` by their votes the people exercise their sovereignty.''

* {End Insert}
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:03 PM
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2. Yep. We need to keep on top of the subject of how sacred the vote is and
how we can protect and improve it.

The iron is hot; let's strike it!

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Help save our country one town, county, and state at a time!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm#why
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:05 PM
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3. Congressman Elijah E. Cummings
Martin Luther King, Jr. once said that "everyone can be great because everyone can serve." Congressman Elijah E. Cummings has dedicated his life of service to uplifting and empowering the people he is sworn to represent.

First sworn in as a Member of the United States House of Representatives in April 1996, Congressman Cummings is now in his sixth term in Congress. He serves on the House Government Reform Committee, is the Ranking Member of the Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources Subcommittee and is a member of the Wellness and Human Rights Subcommittee. Congressman Cummings also serves on the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, the Subcommittee on Highways & Transit and the Subcommittee on Railroads. In addition to his standing committee assignments, Congressman Cummings is the co-chair of the House AIDS Working Group, and is a member of the House Task Force on Health Care Reform.

He is the Immediate Past Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus

http://www.house.gov/cummings/bio.htm

An eloquent Extremely Honorable Representative and former chair of the CBC. :hi:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:08 PM
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5. Maryland - thanks!
The more I am looking at what they said, and what they were not given time to say, the more I am convinced that our reps are on the same learning curve that we've been on and that they get it and they will fix it.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:14 PM
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10. yes-- I think many of them DO get it-- especially the representatives
Unfortunately their power is so limited
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:07 PM
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4. How come I didnt see his name on list who objected
I know he was at Conyers hearings in Dec.

I asked this in an earlier thread

Did he object yesterday ?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:10 PM
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6. He was interrupted for time and entered his remarks into the record
It's really cool to go back and look at their remarks, whether they got to pronounce them or not. Now we know where everyone stands.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:12 PM
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8. I understand that but...
how did he vote I didn`t see his name on the list that objected yesterday.
I`m from Ny also
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:19 PM
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12. I don't know what his vote was
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:50 PM
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19. He voted NAY. He said as much in his speech. "Not here to protest the
results."

Here is the vote in the house:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll007.xml
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:12 PM
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9. yes.. it's ON THE RECORD
That is important. And anyone can check it out anytime, from now on.. as long as the country survives.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:11 PM
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7. Stephanie - Links please! Thanks! (n/t)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:18 PM
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11. direct links don't work
go here and then enter your search terms - it's been a little tricky for me - maybe someone has some tips

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/r109query.html

http://thomas.loc.gov/
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:35 PM
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15. Stephanie - Thanks for the links - this helps! (n/t)
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Bill MI Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:29 PM
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13. Don't get mad, get LOUD!!!
We need to flood the Judiciary Repuglicans with e-mails, letters, and phone calls in order to get them to understand how important this is. They MUST hold FULL investigations with subpeona powers.

<http://judiciary.house.gov/contact.aspx>

The idiots have megaphones, but we have numbers!

The Senate Democrats were cowed, this time by their constituents, into doing what they should have done in 2000. We can't stop now. The fight has only begun!

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:31 PM
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14. Thanks for your first DU post!
and Welcome to DU, Bill MI!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:36 PM
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16. Bill - Good Post! Welcome to DU! (n/t)
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Amigust Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:42 PM
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17. Then why did Nadler turn around and vote AGAINST the challenge?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:44 PM
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18. strategery
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Amigust Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:51 PM
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20. "Strategy" is what I heard Kerry had after he went prone Nov 3.
As far as I can see, he and Nadler are both prone, right along with the other 87% of congressional Dems who crushed the challenge.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:01 PM
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21. I am thinking long term.
In the long run saving the right to vote is more important than Kerry's presidency. That's how dire the situation is. If they had to make a choice, they chose saving the right to vote.
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Amigust Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:02 PM
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22. How does crushing the challenge save the right to vote?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:14 PM
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26. Because it deflects half of their defense
Did you hear them today defending against charges that nobody had made? They sounded like lunatics.

We are asking for a simple thing. Transparent, verifiable elections. They have no argument against that. So win that first, and then knock off the rest.
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Amigust Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:28 PM
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28. Oh that's fine. Their challenge has no credibility then among Pugs
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 11:58 PM by Amigust
because 87% of Dems crushed it.

IMO those 87% also destroyed their own credibility for bringing it to the public later, especially to the Republican electorate that would be necessary to convert if enough pressure were ever to be brought on enough Republican leaders for meaningful change to be legislated.

Dems sold out yesterday. If you call that good strategy, I'd say its the same kind of strategy that has allowed the Pug thugs to take over this country during the past three decades.
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Bill MI Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:18 PM
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27. Definately
But don't deny that had all the people who were eligible to vote were allowed to vote, without waiting, Kerry would now be President-Elect Kerry.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:03 PM
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23. Exactly, I was upset by the lack of "yay" votes at first until I got
thinking about it. Then I heard a quote from Sen Boxer. She said basically they only needed one person to sign to get it into the discussion phase.

Everyone stuck to the "this is not about who won....this is about people being denied their right to vote...we are duty bound to speak for the people we represent" the Republicans were prepared for a "Bush did not win, conspiracy, fraud" attack from us and did not get it. That was reflected in their speech's, they sounded silly attacking thing that our Reps never even verbalized!

The other thing that hit me in the face was, "THANK GOD KERRY WAS IN IRAQ". The Repubs would have twisted the whole thing by pointing at him, they were foaming at the mouth! Instead all they were left with was a ghost, they couldn't attack that.

As I contemplated the whole thing I concluded that Kerry and our Reps/Senators played it well. Any that actually got up and spoke need to be supported..IMO.
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Bill MI Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:06 PM
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25. Watched it.
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 11:14 PM by Bill MI
I've been passionate about this since 2000. They upset me then and I attempted to justify it. But I couldn't!

How could any elected representative of the people of a democracy not support the right to vote?

They should all be voting no to the electors in Ohio if they care about the future of our democracy.
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Bill MI Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:04 PM
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24. They are CHICKEN!!!
Bi-partisanship to Repuglicans means "Do it our way or we'll git ya."

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