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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:59 PM
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Lost Faith

No one is saying "..throw out the election" anymore. What we are saying is that enough evidence exists to call into question the process of elections.

"Who really won the election? No one can really tell. The results have to be taken on faith."

Faith. What is being said is: Who still has faith in the election process? That there exists enough evidence to question a great many aspects, and since the answers remain a mystery, and the holders of those answers won't respond, there is damn good reason to have lost faith in the process.

How can anyone with a clue still have faith?
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:02 PM
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1. This might be a good time...
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 10:02 PM by Darknyte7
to read or re-read James Wolcott's blog piece from back in September, entitled Squeamers.

I was blabbing on the phone last week with Maura Moynihan, the two of us complaining about all the worrywart liberals we know who are in a constant state of anxious funk. She imitated the typical worrywart--"I just know Karl Rove is going to pull something in October and Bush is gonna win and I'm afraid even to get my hopes up because we're gonna lose we always manage to lose"--and I joined in until we sounded like Bob and Betty Whiner dragging luggage through the airport.



http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2004/09/squeamers.php
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:12 PM
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2. Screw wolcott
His whining stinks. Too bad he didn't act, he could have been a part of the history made yesterday, but I fear all he did was whine all the way to the bank, in the dark of the night, so nobody could see or hear his pitiful whining.

And if you are saying we are whiners like wolcott, you tread dangerous ground, eh?
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:53 PM
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12. Slow down...
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 12:22 AM by Darknyte7
This is the graph that I was thinking about when I recalled this piece.

If the Freedom Marchers had been as easily a-sceered as today's liberals, they would have looked at the poll numbers favoring segregation and cancelled their bus trip to Mississippi. Labor organizers would never have voted to go on strike for fear of someone taking it the wrong way and complaining to the maitre'd.

Now I'm saying that if the Freedom Marchers had looked at the position of their elected representative in the state of Alabama in March of 1965, much less the polls, they probably would have decided to for-go the Selma-to-Montgomery March of 1965. Less than five months after the last of the three marches that month, President Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:17 PM
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3. It would have been a dream to have the election overturned, but
that was not the case. So we go on, and we do what we can to fix the system from the ground up.

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http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm#why
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:26 PM
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4. Yea ! Keep the faith dude !
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:29 PM
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5. I'd tell ya, euler
The kind of faith I have for you, but I might get banned if I did, and you ain't worth it.
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Bill MI Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:31 PM
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6. Don't get mad, get LOUD!!!
We need to flood the Judiciary Repuglicans with e-mails, letters, and phone calls in order to get them to understand how important this is. They MUST hold FULL investigations with subpeona powers.

<http://judiciary.house.gov/contact.aspx>

The idiots have megaphones, but we have numbers!

The Senate Democrats were cowed, this time by their constituents, into doing what they should have done in 2000. We can't stop now. The ight has only begun!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:36 PM
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8. Welcome to DU, Bill
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 10:38 PM by BeFree
I like your spirit...

We do need to make noise. I has gotten us a frick'n hearing on the floor of the congress, that was []b]Huge! Now we just need a good follow through, and the freeps know it will knock them outta the park if we do, notice the naysayers trying to limit us, still?

On edit: Bill, you can go back and edit your duplicate post below, by clicking the edit button.
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Bill MI Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:32 PM
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7. Don't get mad, get LOUD!!!
We need to flood the Judiciary Repuglicans with e-mails, letters, and phone calls in order to get them to understand how important this is. They MUST hold FULL investigations with subpeona powers.

<http://judiciary.house.gov/contact.aspx>

The idiots have megaphones, but we have numbers!

The Senate Democrats were cowed, this time by their constituents, into doing what they should have done in 2000. We can't stop now. The ight has only begun!
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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:42 PM
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9. Is congress going to investigate any of this?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:50 PM
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10. Investigate?
Depends on their level of faith. Also depends upon the level of the fire we build under them.

I do think many in congress are questioning their faith, however, they all got there by the same process, eh?
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Bill MI Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:52 PM
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11. Not unless they hear from enough of us!
The Repulicans on the committee are blocking...
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