Terry McAuliffe wants our feedback. I say we give it to him!

[GreenPartyVoter]

I want to thank you for everything you've done over the course of this campaign. Time and time again we asked for your help, and you were always there for us.

Even though we didn't win back the White House, you created something historic. Our grassroots campaign of hope and optimism was unprecedented in American politics. More than 1 million volunteers made 11 million person-to-person, door-to-door contacts, and made 38 million phone calls to voter in battleground states.

If you were involved in these grassroots activities, we want to hear from you about your experience. What did you do? Did you feel the action you took was effective? Was it a good experience for you? How would you make it better?

Tell us your thoughts.

http://www.democrats.org/feedback/

We plan to use your feedback to help develop our strategy in 2005. As always, you will continue to play a critical role in the future of the Democratic Party. What we created together will be the backbone for Democratic victories in the future.

You and I know that this fight is not over. We will never waver when it comes to defending our values and fighting for what we know is right.

Again, thank you for helping create something special.

Sincerely,

Terry McAuliffe
Chairman


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[Obviousman]

1. boy is he gonna get it

[DELUSIONAL]

8. You are the master of the understatement!

[BayCityProgressive]

10. Here is what I sent them

I am apalled by the Democrats constant surrender to the GOP. If this party moves even one iota more to the Right (any further right and this party will become the John Birch Society) I and millions of others will leave. A woman's right to make her own private medical decisions is not negotiable. Full equality for gays is not negotiable. Affirmative Action is not negotiable. The Democrats need to stop being the "me too" "at least we're not Republicans" Party and actually STAND FOR SOMETHING. Maybe this is our Barry Goldwater moment. Although he lost, he created a new conservative movement and gave the GOP their ideology and unity. We need a unifying ideology in this party. Stand up for nonprofit universal healthcare, stand up for more workers rights and living wage laws, stand up for an end to corproate welfare, and stand up against so called free trade and maybe this party will actually win an election. Take back the word LIBERAL and use it proudly! By surrendering on that word alone, we have aloud the Republicans to frame every debate and issue and we are always left chasing after them saying "me too me too!". If this party does not turn around drastically the Green party sounds like a nice alternative!

[TwentyFive]

101. Way to go! Let's take back LIBERAL & expose Conservative for what it is!

Here is what I wrote for advice:

A huge missed opportunity for the Democrats is to discuss the loss of Individual Rights.

Individual Rights is one concept that most Americans will agree on - yet I hear no political candidates mention it anymore. The Democratic party should defend the Individual over intrusive Government or Big Business. It seems that now the GOP is in power, they are no longer the party that favors smaller government.

Saying something like, "The Democratic party supports (or opposes) XXXX because we believe in Individual Rights. We may not all agree with each other, but I think we should respect other people's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

This strategy will appeal to the more libertarian swing voters who are leery of the religious right, the Patriot Act, censorship, consumer databases, special favors to big business - and many other things the GOP stands for.

PS: You should use a secure server to transmit responses from this website. I'm sure the GOP has a hacker collecting this information.

[carnie_sf]

102. I've been telling everyone

I talk to that we need to reclaim the word liberal. Liberalism has a very proud tradition, and the democratic party either needs to proudly claim it, or go down in infamy.

[Sugarbleus]

105. Yessssssssss, well said!! I'm so glad someone brought this

up. I got the same letter from Terry. I wanted to send him the same sort of reply but wasn't sure...

TAKE BACK THE LIBERAL LABEL..and BE PROUD fercrissakes! I too am considering changing my party...have to look around. Go Green or independent..not sure yet.

If these dems of ours don't pull their D*cks out of the sand,then I'm outta here!

LIBERAL...LIBERAL....LIBERAL...LIBERAL Learn it. Live it!

[genius]

26. Feeback, like pathetic quitters who are giving the election to Bush

Tell you what group you won't donate to in the next election.

[Ladyhawk]

2. Hehe, I already told him:

1. Fire Terry McAuliffe
2. Forget about phone banking and precinct walking and all that
3. Focus on black box voting
4. Focus on massive boycotts
5. I'm pissed at Kerry for conceding early.

[illuminaughty]

17. Exactly! The next person who starts talking next election to me

is going on a large hit list I'm accumulating. It is ridiculous for anyone to talk about a candidate, or running locally for politics or that we should consider being a more moderate party. Fuck that!

This is the story pure and simple, folks. If we do not fight the results of this election, it does not matter who runs or what their platform is. They proved that you can canvass your ass off, bring out all the voters and they'd provide just as many ghost voters.

If we do not overthrow the system, that is the voting system, the media and show that we will not let these so called results stand, then we will be no point to having an election again. Period.

[shuffnew]

45. Black Box Voting Focus

It MUST include optical scan & touchscreen (any/all electronic voting) and "audit", not just touchscreen. Concentrate on the code in the tabulator too that merges all these misfits together and spits out the corrupted vote totals in the end.

[nedbal]

100. Forget about phone banking and precinct walking and all that

---Rove was feeling a little cranky about press reports that the Democrats were registering vastly more voters in swing states like Ohio and Florida. He blamed shoddy reporting by The New York Times (Rove considered the Times to be Pravda for liberals; he had just personally chewed out the Times's executive editor Bill Keller and Washington bureau chief Phil Taubman). The Times had measured only recent registration numbers, overlooking the fact, Rove protested, that the GOP had been working away at voter registration since the 2000 election. "Nationally, it's a wash," claimed Rove. Besides, the key to victory was not registration, but turnout—actually getting people to the polls. Rove scorned a story in that morning's Washington Post reporting that Rove had given up a more ambitious effort to reach out to swing voters in order to concentrate on mobilizing the Republican base. "Ridiculous," he said. "We need 51 percent, and the base is only the high 30s." Rove, who studies population-migration tracts the way baseball fans study box scores, said he was particularly focused on finding and securing the "exurban vote," city dwellers and suburbanites who had just arrived in new towns and had been too busy getting settled to register to vote. These were the real "persuadables," the key to the election. ("Carver County, Minn. Fifty percent population increase. We got 62 percent there last time," said Rove, spouting factoids while he thumbed his BlackBerry.)

Even greater torrents of statistics flowed rom the mouth of Ken Mehlman, the BC04 campaign manager who oversaw the Republicans' ground game. President Bush had paid Mehlman his highest compliment one afternoon after the 2002 elections, as the president and his top political advisers sat around at Camp David watching football on TV. "He's a good general," President Bush said, nodding at Mehlman. "He's about to have a huge army." Mehlman was a familiar type in campaigns, only more so. In "The Making of the President 1960," Theodore H. White described the "overdeveloped organizational sense" of certain Republican moneymen in the Nixon campaign. Mehlman loved organizing; his aides suspected that he made lists from lists. His aides once tortured him by taking away his BlackBerry in a restaurant. Sweating (so the story goes), Mehlman ended up ordering his assistant to read him his text messages out loud.

To enforce the strict, top-down command structure on the volunteer army in the field, Mehlman's top two deputies, political director Terry Nelson and field director Coddy Johnson, held a 10-hour teleconference with state and local operatives every Saturday. Working from a sheet of metrics, Johnson and Nelson would demand to know: How many calls were made, how many doorbells rung? Were the voter contacts personal or pamphlet drops? Johnson read books like "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" and "The Tipping Point." He played good cop: "All right, you guys are doing it! We're gonna make it! We're only 30 percent but we're gonna get there!" Nelson, also known as the Hammer, played bad cop. Johnson liked to imitate Nelson's growling at the state coordinators in a flat Iowa baritone: "I'm very concerned that you all stink. And have not made any progress."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6420969/site/newsweek/

[WestHoustonDem]

3. Just did

And told him to be careful what he asks for because my feedback is that he should be replaced.

[okTracer]

4. constructive feedback

Let's provide good constructive feedback.

We are democrats not repugs so the party needs to realize it and embrace our liberalism.

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. I did not tell him to get himself replaced, but I DID tell him

work on getting verifiable voting, and get Instant Runoff voting in the primaries so that the base can select a candidate that the majority will rally around. You want people for FOR your candidate, not against the other guy.

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[Pallas180]

21. Hey , I'm not a democrat anymore. There is no democratic party anymore. &

if it hadn't self immolated, I wouldn't be a part of it anyway.

There better be some new parties with some realistic candidates.

Cause resurrecting this corpse aint gonna work.

[dougkess]

95. Yes

I agree we need to stick together. Flinging mud at each other is counter-productive. It upsets me to read some of the posts from folks who are hating the DNC, Kerry and the whole lot. Sticking together is best for our "revolution"....please.

[goddess40]

5. done, get up and fight for us

I gave my time and money and what did I get NOTHING, I'm waiting for the fight I was promised.

Even if * did win, there was still a lot of fraud and it needs to be dealt with. So even if the fraud was just to give * the 'popular' vote I want it exposed so it doesn't happen again.

[DELUSIONAL]

6. Well that felt good. I fired him.

Terry McAuliffe you are fired.

Also mentioned Black Box Voting.

I would suggest everyone mention Black Box Voting -- and using the RICCO to go after the vote fraud.

Yep that felt real good.

[NuttyFluffers]

57. did you do the little donald trump hand gesture?

if someone could make a smiley animation of that...

[MuseRider]

9. My husband just read me his reply.

It was not very nice as far as noting what the democratic leadership has not done to protect our elections. He also told them that he is not sending another dime or spending another minute for them until they get this taken care of. Good for him.

[shuffnew]

49. My Reply

My reply was similar... Summarized...
--Get the 2004 "Election Fraud" settled before Jan. 20, 2005 and start by retracting the concession statement (which is not legally binding anyway) and then, if needed, raise funds to fight for the democracy of the voting rights of all Americans (2000, 2002, and 2004 -- with 2004 the telling story). They could easily do this, it seems, with all the proof of "Election Fraud" being reported. Waiting any longer to address this issue is not acceptable or excusable.
--Understand the Rove purpose of "right wing" nuts (the Bush flock/puppets) and make it clear that Democrats have no intention to support moral issues at the federal government level that completely conflict with the oath of Office of the President to execute and support our US Constitution in a fair and secular manner to ALL (not just one religious cult). The religious cult didn't take this election anyway (except for the GOP leaders that plant the corruption and seek the far-right religious cult to back them- to get the media attention). If the Democrats would force the issue now for complete 'audit' of at least two states that determined the outcome they would find the facts - DEMOCRATS HAVE WON TWO PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND LOST DUE TO CORRUPTION IN OUR ELECTION EQUIPMENT & CORRUPT VOTING PROCEDURES & in 2000 A US SUPREME COURT THAT OVERTURNED THE VOTERS CHOICE!!! STAND UP NOW!
--Democrat leaders must educate themselves on the US far-right cults professing to be Christians based upon their own definitions of both the US Constitution and their own bible (twisting both the US Constitution & their bible and church doctrines). Understand that not all "born again" belong to this far-right cult (this is no different than all Muslims are not terrorists - the far right Muslims have redefined their government and religious doctrines to be equal to "Al-Queda", not true Muslims). DO NOT CATER TO OUR US "CULTS" & "TERRORISTS"! They are not the majority.

[Chimpanzee]

124. That's essentially what I said.

[Zuni]

11. I wrote the following

Investigate E-Voting results nationwide.
Particuarly in FL and OH
Campaign on fighting for workers rights, increased wages, take a stand against NAFTA/FTAA and not as much on cultural issues. Emphasize equality and not identity politics motivates our party.

[ladjf]

12. Did you see all those questions about what we did?

I requested that Terry fire himself and the rest of his crew as well.

[MileHiStealth]

13. Me first .. Me first ... My response !!!

3. How would you like to continue to stay involved? (Volunteering, phonebanking, fundraising, local organizing, etc.)



Not sure. Feels like a waste of time when our
candidate says every vote counts and every vote
will be counted, than crawls under a rug and
concedes like a fucking loser 12 hrs. later
before all votes are even counted.What happened
to our "throngs of lawyers". What about the
donations for a recount? Going to refund those?
You guys act like a bunch of chicken shits.
Second time in 4 years you let these assholes
steamroll over you. Take a hint ... get a spine.

[hinachan]

77. "Get a spine", that's too funny!

I managed to refrain from using the F-word (hard, but I did it). Here's my contribution to the hate e-mails that must be clogging the inbox:

1) DO NOT let this phony "mandate" make the Democratic Party give up its ideals. People wanted change; voter turnout was massive. Fraudulent vote tabulating was the only thing that didn't turn the status quo on its ear.

2) Restore trust in the Democratic Party by making public what has happened to the millions of dollars donated to the legal fund, which Kerry ultimately didn't use when he didn't contest the election.

3) DO NOT run a candidate who makes promises and reneges on them before he's even elected. Promising "No Surrender" and caving within 24 hours is not going to help the Dems' image.

4) Haul John Kerry on the carpet and tell him that the votes that benefit him are not the only ones that count, the only ones that matter. Who cares if the provisional ballots wouldn't put him over the top in Ohio? Ohioans also voted for local candidates and local measures which are every bit as important. Basing the decision on whether to challenge the results on whether or not HE would have benefited from them was the ultimate in selfishness. Our country deserves better than to have someone throw away our most precious right, based on whether or not he would win.

5) Last, but absolutely not least...TAKE STEPS TO ENSURE THAT EVERY VOTE IS COUNTED. Not just provisional ballots, not just the ones that benefit your Presidential candidate, but ALL of them. This includes taking action to ensure that black box voting has enough safeguards in place to prevent tampering. Because it wouldn't matter if a Dem candidate mass-hypnotized the voting public...if their votes don't count, we lose. End of story.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

149. Maybe it's time we got a spine and . . .

took back our party!

[aquart]

14. Is COWARDS! GUTLESS ENABLING COWARDS! too strong?

[genius]

28. Right on target

[shirlden]

15. Goodby Terry

You are the weakest link. That was my feedback to the DNC.

:argh:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

150. and don't let the door hit you on the way out! AMF!!!

[Ardee]

16. It isnt just the national leadership,sorry.

I have read, again and again, posts in which well meaning people villify the electorate as "stupid", "sheep","blind". I have read posts in which stunned posters simply do not understand how Kerry lost.

Instead of villifying Nader this time out they shower their testosterone induced anger at those who voted their conscience , made the best decisions for their own interests that they could. The problem with posts like that is simply that folks were not given a clear cut choice, a clear cut difference. The Democrats have run an abysmal campaign for the second straight national election and I for one refuse to place the blame elsewhere.

[Pallas180]

20. ARDEE - wake up - Bush got 88,000 more votes than were cast in Florida....

the anger is at Kerry giving in and not using the 10 000 volunteer
lawyers to check the rigged machines, AS HE PROMISED TO -

the repugnants didnt run a better election...they just stole better than in 2000.

Do you really think 10,000 lawyers will ever offer their services again for free?

Not after this. A once in a lifetime opportunity in many many ways
and Kerry himself, stopped the lawyers, and threw the opportunity away.

[Ardee]

40. I just pinched myself so I KNOW Im awake

Ten thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean is.......a good start.

These folks will be available anytime they smell the blood on the water. ANYTIME. Why on earth would you think differently?

My original post was a call to end the backwards looking ,end the depression and get back to work. We will see , slowly but surely, more and more from those who continue to investigate this election, I in no way wish to be an apologist for its accuracy or honesty, of course it was stolen, they did it in '00 and why not this time as well.I do not believe that , with the full weight of the Justice Dept. in place against us, we will make progress on this front, but it will be good to have some facts at our disposal.

The point is that we must make decisions, make judgements as to what to do, what strategies are effective. I firmly declare that insulting and villifying the religious vote, the anti abortion crowd, those who still believe that Hussein backed 9/11 and the rest of the brainwashed-by-Rove crowd is no way in which to win their votes.

Education, education, education, education

Democratic strategies have brought us defeat after defeat, its long past time for those loyal to the democratic party to demand, insist upon change in leadership, change in direction, change in strategies.

[CAcyclist]

53. You do realize that both Kerry and Edwards are lawyers?

I am sick and tired of people villifying lawyers. The courts are the only avenues we have left at this point. Without lawyers, we would really be in trouble.

[Name removed]

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[CAcyclist]

86. My, that must have made you feel big

I suppose you're are really proud of yourself now, aren't you?

[Ardee]

140. why yes as a matter of fact

At least I have a sense of humor unklike those here who seek to slide the discussion from its pertinent root to some good lawyer/bad lawyer
absurdity. An old, old joke, one line of a multi paragraph post, and single minded 'morans' focus in on that as if it were a racial joke. Who the fuck are you guys fooling? Only yourselves......

[Hog lover]

60. If you hate lawyers, promise not to call one to save your own ass

when you are arrested, when your rights are violated, when you or someone in your family is killed or injured as a result of someone else's negligence or malice.

[Ardee]

67. Get a life

...and a sense of humor for gosh sakes.

[Hog lover]

71. Get some respect, why don't you? Your post was not funny -

Particularly the line:

"These folks will be available anytime they smell the blood on the water. ANYTIME. Why on earth would you think differently?"

You for one have no idea what the lawyers might be doing about the voting issues. You surely know, if you married a lawyer, that most of them don't just work for people "anytime they smell the blood on the water."

Most lawyers are not the blood-sucking opportunists you portray. You sound like a Republican.

[Seabiscuit]

72. YOU get a life!

Your dumb lawyer jokes in *this* context were inappropriate and totally humorless. Plus, the rest of your original post was totally incomprehensible.

Get a book on grammar as well.

[Seabiscuit]

70. As a lawyer

I resent your snide remarks: "Ten thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean is.......a good start.... These folks will be available anytime they smell the blood on the water. ANYTIME. Why on earth would you think differently?"

These lawyers were willing to do the work FOR FREE and Kerry, AGAINST THEIR STRONG ADVICE threw in the towel just 12 hours after promising all of us he never would.

These lawyers may be willing to work for free for some other candidate someday, but not for Kerry. Kerry squandered the good will he had with them, and the good will he had with everyone who voted for him.

So if you want to hammer someone, hammer the spineless wimp who deserves hammering: JOHN F(ucking) KERRY.

[Pallas180]

80. Seabiscuit - I doubt lawyers will ever assemble again like that - not for

the democratic party -

and BTW - if I was ever in need of an attorney, I'd want someone just
like John Edwards representing me...too bad he's been tainted, as you say, by the flip flopper - the only thing the repugnants have ever been right about....

[Seabiscuit]

98. As an attorney I'd hire John Edwards in a New York minute too if

I ever needed representation.

I must disagree however that Edwards has been "tainted" by J. F(ucking). K. His hand was forced at times - the DLC operates much in the way the fascista Bush junta does - but he's a good man, and I think there are thousands of attorneys out there (including me) who would volunteer their time for free to work for the likes of an Edwards, a Dean, or an Obama.

Until the DNC sheds itself of its snakeskin DLC sidekick and its half-assed leadership, I agree no one will be volunteering free time in any form for these cowardly, deceitful sellouts.

On the night November 2nd I was ashamed to be an American. On November 3rd I was ashamed to be a Democrat.

[svan81]

113. Right

I feel the same way Seabiscut.

I just wish I had jurisdiction in some of the battleground states. Do you do civil rights?

[Sugarbleus]

108. Proud to know ya Sea, well said!

:thumbsup:

[Ardee]

144. Yes Lord

While your ubnbelievable ego may assure you that you know what all these "other" lawyers will do, actually you do not.

[TiredTexan]

75. Do you realize

that we volunteered to help Kerry for FREE? Our time and energy, for free, 10,000 of us. And you have the nerve to say that we need to be at the bottom of the ocean.

ESAD

[Pallas180]

81. LAWYERS - Palm Beach County here. And I KNOW you were here-IF no one has

said it before - and I'm sure the campaign hasn't, cause they didn't thank a one of us at the HQ in Delray,

Thank you. Thank you for your service..Thank you for backing us poll watchers up when we were being badgered.

Thank you for being here.

:hi:

[CAcyclist]

87. I, too, thank you and all lawyers who voulnteered , for your service.

No one makes jokes about lawyers to me. You guys are the only thing standing between us and the fascists.

[Ardee]

145. Oh Puhleeze

I urge you also to get a life...That joke is so old it has moss on it. Ive several lawyers in my family, wife included , and not a one of them failed to laugh at that joke, when told by a lawyer......so stick to what you know...perhaps blank posts might work.

[saracat]

96. Guess what? I don't want their votes. They are ineducable

and they will NEVER vote for us. I do vilify the religious rovian crowd. I have NO respect for them and I never will. We must get the voting process fixed and those that support us to the polls. Paying any attention at all to the rovian morons is what costs us elections. We must be true to our own liberal ideals or pack it up.

[serryjw]

46. Is this TRUE?

Bush got 88,000 more votes than were cast in Florida....??

[Pallas180]

83. Yup - that's the word. The dead arose & voted for the anti-christ

:barf:

[robbedvoter]

29. Kerry won. It was stolen Live with it.

I am trying to contain my anger at Kerry's welching on the promise to fight

[Ardee]

39. Ive been searching for answers,

Ive been wandering the vast web for answers, heres a couple of articles that appealed to me personally, hope they do to you as well:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/




DRY YOUR EYES AND NAME SOME NAMES! Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo! We think it’s time for crying cons to say who belittles their religion:
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 2004

BEWARE EXPLANATION: We humans reason very poorly, to the extent that we reason at all. Consider the current attempts to “explain” Tuesday’s election results.
First, there may not be much to “explain” here. When the electorate goes from 49-49 (Bush-Gore) to 51-48 (Bush-Kerry), that is a very minor “change.” Except on the micro level at which political pros work, it’s not clear that there’s anything much to explain here. And when a change in the vote is so small, almost any factor can be said to “explain” it. For example, how many points did Kerry lose because of the endless Swift Boat attacks? We don’t know how to answer that question, but we haven’t seen the Swift Boat matter come up very often in the instant “explanations.” Instead, Stampeding Pundits have rushed toward a few standard “explanations” of the minor change in voter behavior. Sorry—there will rarely be a way to “explain” such a change, although many aspects of Campaign 04 are, of course, well worth discussing.

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Why did this race end up 51-48? Most pundits can’t answer to that question, and don’t even know how to approach it. We make this suggestion: Beware explanation. Many aspects of this election are worth discussing. But most of the pundits you see on TV won’t even know what they are.

DRY YOUR EYES AND NAMES SOME NAMES: Eric Alterman got some fascinating e-mails in the wake of Tuesday’s election. This one, from a North Carolina reader, especially caught our eye:

E-MAIL TO ALTERMAN (11/4/04): I read your articles with a lot of interest, and appreciate the insight you give me. So let me try to give you some.
On many social issues I agreed with Kerry more than Bush. Certainly on the war in Iraq I agree with Kerry that it is a train wreck and we need a entirely new direction.

So why did I vote for Bush? I am a born-again Christian, my faith is critically important to me. As long as the Democratic Party, and/or those people who purport to speak for it, belittle my beliefs, dismissing them out of hand, and address me publicly as intellectually challenged for holding to the faith of my fathers, you will never get my vote. How can I trust your party to lead me when you so obviously (and vociferously) denigrate those values I hold most dear?

You may not agree with us. That's OK, this is America, pluralism is a wonderfully legacy we all share. But if you do not respect us you will find it very hard to ever have the opportunity to lead us.

Why did this reader vote for Bush? He says the Democratic Party has “belittled his beliefs, dismissing them out of hand,” and has “addressed him publicly as intellectually challenged for holding to the faith of my fathers.” Oops, sorry—one clarification. The readers says the Democratic Party and/or those people who purport to speak for it has engaged in this behavior.
Let’s ignore that expansive escape clause and think of the Dem Party proper. We think it’s time for readers like this to name the names of actual Dems who have actually belittled them in this manner. Who exactly “addressed him publicly as intellectually challenged for holding to the faith of his fathers?” Was it Southern Baptist Bill Clinton, from Hot Springs, Arkansas? Was it Southern Baptist Al Gore, from Carthage, Tennessee? Was it Jimmy Carter? Was it Joe Lieberman? Was it John Edwards, from the reader’s own state? Or was it French-speaking John Kerry himself, the haughty man who dares to wind-surf? If so, when did this insult occur? When exactly has any Dem leader ever behaved in the manner described? When exactly did the Dem Party belittle the reader’s religious beliefs and “address him publicly as intellectually challenged?” When exactly did this occur? Or did it really occur in a dream? Or perhaps in a rant on talk radio?
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http://www.dissidentvoice.org/

Kerry's Humiliating Defeat
by Justin Felux
www.dissidentvoice.org
November 5, 2004


The Democrats have once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Losing to a candidate as terrible as George W. Bush for two elections in a row is a truly remarkable accomplishment. In 2000, the Democrats were blessed with relative peace and prosperity, as well as incumbency. The Republicans, on the other hand, were burdened by a candidate with nearly no experience and marginal intelligence. Rather than examine their own obvious shortcomings, the Democrats placed all the blame for their loss on Ralph Nader. This year, the Democrats seemed to have everything running in their favor yet again. The economy is in the toilet, Iraq is a horrific mess, and Bush's approval rating is below 50 percent, but they somehow managed to lose even worse than last time. With Nader a non-factor, the Democrats must place the blame with those who deserve it: themselves.

The reaction from Democrats thus far has not been promising. Many blamed black people for not turning out in great enough numbers. Others suggested that we should give up on issues such as abortion rights, affirmative action, and gay marriage -- abandon our most vulnerable allies, in other words. Some of the greatest venom was reserved for young voters for not turning out in greater numbers than we did in 2000. Many angry Democrats posted rants to blogs and forums suggesting that any young folks who didn't vote for John Kerry should be "sent to Iraq," where we would presumably be killed and would deserve it. Maybe if Kerry gave us a reason to vote for him other than the fact that he isn't Bush, we would have done it. For example, why didn't Kerry come out with an ambitious plan to lower college tuition? If half of Bush's tax cut were diverted to lowering college tuition, college could be practically free.

Unfortunately, Kerry was too busy trying to convince his corporate donors that he isn't a "redistribution Democrat" to propose anything that might actually make people like him. Once again, the Democratic candidate shunned what is supposed to be his "base" and reached out to the right. Bush, on the other hand, has spent the past four years pandering to his base. He has gone so far as to propose an amendment to the Constitution banning gay marriage -- an outlandish idea whose sole purpose is to motivate right-wing Christian voters. His strategy clearly won, as exit polls indicated that "moral values" was the highest priority for voters, trumping even the economy and terrorism. Bush stuck to his principles and his base rewarded him for it. He easily defined Kerry as an unprincipled flip-flopper who will say anything to get elected because Kerry is, in fact, an unprincipled flip-flopper who will say anything to get elected.

To paraphrase Thomas Frank, the Democrats need to match the fake cultural populism of the Republicans with a real populism of their own. If Kerry wants black people to wait in line for four hours to vote for him, he needs to promise them more than additional cops to harass their neighborhoods. Why not take a page from Jesse Jackson and support an amendment to the Constitution giving people the right to vote? Why not propose a more progressive tax system? No taxes for anyone making less than $100,000; make up the rest by increasing taxes on corporations and the wealthy. The prospect of not paying any income taxes must sound good to many low-to-middle income Republicans. But alas, it is too late for Kerry to come up with good ideas. The world will have to endure four more years of Bush.

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[Seabiscuit]

73. You won't find any answers reading that kind of drivel.

Why don't you go bang on Kerry's door, instead, and demand ACTION!

[Ardee]

141. Typical lawyer

How can you read my post way up on that high horse of yours. One mans drivel is anothers fact.Please ignore my posts from this point on and continue to bill your exhorbitant hours...thanks......

[Ardee]

146. So this lawyer

finally makes partner in his firm, after years and years of uphill struggle , first in college, then in law school, clerking and climbing the ladder. Just when he achieves success and a high rate of compensation he is killed in a car crash.

As he stands before St. Peter he cannot help but express his angst,
"This is so damned unfair" he opines." All that struggling and you take me so young at 36"."Thirty-six?", asks Peter," I show you to be 91 years old. Oh now I see, we judged your age by the hours you billed."

[Pallas180]

85. Whyd does this guy keep sounding like a repugnant moling over here?

.

[Ardee]

so are you a neocon?

No of course you arent, then why accuse me....Did you bother to read the fucking pieces or are you just kissing up to your lawyer buddies?

Seeking to move the Democratic Party further right in some vain hope of reversing an eight year trend? These two articles both highlight where the REAL battle must commence, within the democratic party itself!

Ive been active in Progressive causes for four decades and dont need the likes of you making judgments on something you know nothing about,my political history.How do you explain one democratic debacle after the other.......
Two links to highly pertinent and well thought articles and you can do only a one line bullsghit response...well done.

[Ardee]

142. stupid double

n/t

[Ardee]

143. a triple!!

a new record......

[Sugarbleus]

112. Another E X C E L L E N T...series of links!!

I visited dissident voice once...Their "tell it like it is" message reflects MY OWN political/philisophical stance. I posted from there, the bit about Kerry not being a "redistribution democrat" and only a couple people in here responded. But then, we were trying desperately to stand behind our candidate at that point.. It was too late to "renominate" someone else... Any questioning of Kerry by that time was verboten.

I wasn't happy with clinton for the same reasons. He KILLED the welfare program--instead of improving it and (Kerry signed onto that bill too); not to mention the feable attempt at universal healthcare that went exactly no where PDQ. All kiss ass for the GOP and "bipartisanship".

Move to the center? WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER!!

Thanks for reminding me of that site. :thumbsup:

[saracat]

134. F-ck those people. They deserve eternal damnation!

[DuaneBidoux]

55. One other minor detail

THE FUCKING ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

[Omnibus]

18. The problem is not...

...our morals, or how we frame our message, or even the right-wing media echo chamber. The problem is that as long as we allow them to disenfranchise voters and steal their votes, we WILL NOT WIN. The Democratic party must become the party for fair and accurate voting, period.

That's what I told him.

I also asked where the promised army of lawyers was, and "politely" suggested he be replaced with Howard Dean.

[itzamirakul]

128. We are on the same page...

I suggested that he (McAuliffe) sign the following petition:

www.petitionspot.com/petitions/deanfordnc

and then clean out his desk and get the hell out!

[Pallas180]

19. Heh heh, they're still asking for money - fat chance they'll ever

get another pisspoorpenny from me.

I think the dem party is in for a big surprise after this.

[Ardee]

41. Great start Pallas180

I ask the pallid bust of Pallas by my chamber door for the next step, but that damnable Raven answered,"nevermore".

I agree that supporting the current leadership of the democratic party is a waste of money, energy and faith. I further ask what is your alternative?

Rejecting the Dems is OK but one must continue the fight, one must select new allies........I say Green Party, you might say else....say something please.

[Sugarbleus]

107. Oooo, I didn't catch the donation begging...what a nerve LOL

I gave the widow's mite. It was all I had. Fresh out, thank you very much.

If I give to anyone, it's going to be places like this or my neighbor who can't afford a doctors visit or drugs...BECAUSE OUR PARTY HAS FAILED TO FIX THIS PROBLEM....too busy kissing GOP ass.

[Daisey Mae]

22. JUST help prove the bogus fraud of the election.....

Then fight fight fight.....we are ready to cover your back.... you know we won and won big....it was Kerry by a landslide.

[Oak2004]

23. OH boy did I give him some feedback

Though he'll never be able to get back to me about it, because I gave my address as 1933 Nazi St, Nuremburg, Quisling Or Chamberlain, Germany

[anamandujano]

24. could someone ask them to return the money, it's needed

to finance the New Hampshire recount. Check the thread about the $50,000 needed.

I didn't donate, so I can't request a return of funds. (I didn't even follow the campaign after Dean left and Kerry became the "contender"; I did vote for Kerry.)

I don't think these guys at the DNC were/are incompetent, I think they knew/know what they're doing. Too bad most Democrats didn't/don't.

[oldtime dfl_er]

25. I just said "fraud fraud fraud"

in every response box.

[shelley806]

35. I took yours as an example; Every box requiring information was filled

in with the following:


EXAMINE THE FRAUD

EVERY VOTE COUNTS

THIS IS FASCISM NOT DEMOCRACY

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU

TWO PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS STOLEN BY CRIMINALS

NO SUPPORT FROM ME EVER IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO NOTHING ABOUT THE FRAUD

EXAMINE THE FRAUD

Address given was 666 Natzi Lane, Auchwitz Texas

I'm so angry I could screech!!!

[bklyncowgirl]

27. I gave him a piece of my mind.

Basicly said that volunteering and working with others for a greater good was a wonderful experience. I then told them that if they ever want my money or my help again that they had better get a damn clue about what the Republicans are really about.

I mentioned that I thought that they were only a little less corrupt than the Republicans and that if they ever wanted to present a platform that would excite working class America they have to stop toing the line of the big money interests, otherwise people are going to continue voting on social issues.

I said that I was outraged that John Kerry, a man I had truly believed in had rolled over and played dead before all the votes were counted.

I also told them that they needed to introduce legislation requiring all voting machines to be fully auditable and verifiable and that if the damn Republicans didn't go along that they should shout to the rafters that they are a bunch of crooks and cheats.

I bet I'm not on Terry Mac's Christmas list.

[ibegurpard]

30. I told them

that I will never be participating again if they don't do something about auditless and tamper-prone vote tabulation software.

[Upfront]

31. I Did

He won't like it. Fire himself to start.

[bvar22]

32. My reply:

I no longer send contributions to the DNC/DLC. You've lost too many elections, and in pursuit of Corporate sponsorship you've lost the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. You are fired!

The past few days, I have asked DEMOCRATS what the Democratic Party Platform was for 2004. After watching our convention and campaign, I was not surprised at the results.
I DARE YOU to go on the street and ask individuals if they know what the Democratic Party 2004 Party Platform is!!!!!!
If you cannot give the American People a simple Platform, then you are an incompetent leader. You are FIRED!



All my money, time, and sweat will go to individuals within the Democratic Party who still represent working people like these:

http://www.pdamerica.org/

Don't let the door......

[Catchawave]

34. They lost my money too and other dribbles.....

The entire campaign was run like a fundraiser, no organization at all.

No clear platform for the candidates to clarify.

You failed to notice John Edwards biggest strength, hope and optimism. You shrunk him to nanny-nanny-boo-boo nit-picking sound bites on the 6 o'clock news. His message of hope and optimism was lost. "Johnny we hardly knew ye".

Every stump speech should be given as heartfelt at the concession speech.

You abandoned Virginia, when we were so close. You abandoned David Ashe in the 2nd District. Because you wanted us all in Ohio and Florida and Pennsylvania. You ignored your bases in NY and Calif, and many other "blue" states.

And from what I can tell, just because the election is "over", you think your work is? I don't think so, you see we have this problem with voting fraud, if you noticed?

[Jivenwail]

111. Thank you so much!

For mentioning Virginia. I could not agree more. David Ashe did not get the support he needed and once again, we here in VA are relegated to the reckless, feckless republicans who represent us.

[Sugarbleus]

109. Great Link: PDA... thanks gonna check that out forthwith eom

[awgoodkitty]

33. Gave it to them

with both barrels. Told them we've been let down and abandoned by the Party and that I won't do a damned thing for them until they contest this election.

I loved the "was it a good experience for you"? question.
My answer: Are you kidding?

But I did tell them that if they were working behind the scenes, I'll take what I said back. If not, I stand by what I wrote.

[EndElectoral]

36. Damn! I lost it when I gave it to him!

[BobMorr]

42. Reply

I let him have it also! Felt good letting the anger come out.

[tinrobot]

37. Get a spine...

...and stand up to the Republicans. People WILL support you.

Oh... and you better fix those voting machines, because you're never winning another election until you do.

[dreiser]

38. Q: Did you feel the actions you took were effective? Answer:

No, my actions were not effective. I think this simply because I and countless others worked endlessly hard due to the fact we knew John Kerry, the Democrats, and the members of his campaign were doing the same. We did this because we believed his promise and the promise of the Democrats that they would not back down. They would fight until the end and make sure that every vote was counted and every voice was heard. I'm sorry but you DID NOT do that. Since November 2nd and beyond there has been countless cases and building evidence of voter fraud. That the electronic black box machines have been tampered with, that counties with only hundreds of registered voters had Bush votes tallied in the thousands, this and so much more. Not one peep from Kerry or the Democrats. And I, like so many others, secretly hope and pray you are working quietly behind the scenes to seek out the truth in regards to this election.

I honestly do... but I try not to because it would hurt too much to believe in you again and be let down. This might sound over dramatic but Kerry's lack of fighting, his immediate surrender, has done more damage to your party than anything else in years. You proved to your supporters and your detractors you WILL NOT fight for what is yours.

And in doing so, guarantee you will never have it again.

[ewagner]

43. Here's mine

Dammit Terry!

We went into a knife fight armed with SPITBALLS!!!On the national level, the party didn't fight back hard enough from the convention on. (Just who';s idea was it to NOT CRITICIZE DUBYA AT THE CONVENTION?) When are we going to learn that Republicans don't play by the rules? When is our national leadership going to fight as hard as we do?

Kerry should NEVER have conceded as quickly as he did.

Congressional Dems had better clean up this electronic voting mess before the Republicans vote to send Dems off to concentration camps...

We need LEADERSHIP and we haven't seen hide-nor-hair of John Kerry...or you for that matter. If for no other reason than consloing and rallying the troops WE NEED LEADERSHIP!. Whoever steps into this leadership vacuum now will emerge as the party leader for the next four years. It probably won't be you.

[usregimechange]

44. done, kick, nt

[serryjw]

48. I FIRED TM a long time ago

so I didn't respond....BUT my friend did....
quote.......
1. How did you participate in this election?
I did everything I could to spread the word about why Bush was a disaster as a President, why it was important to vote a new President as a form of apology to the world.

I wrote, called and contacted family and friends, I vigilantly campaigned on the Internet, corresponded with elected officials and candidates, I called in to radio shows and I distributed materials at work.

2. Is this the first time you participated in election activism?
No. I've voted in every election (local, state, national, primary, etc.) since 1983. I've been a pollster, I've participated in rallies, I've donated money, handed out flyers, marched, etc.

3. How would you like to continue to stay involved? (Volunteering, phonebanking, fundraising, local organizing, etc.)

The Democratic Party clearly is not interested in my participation as I am a proud liberal. I don't hide from that label the way Kerry and Edwards do. And I refuse to apologize for embracing our Constitutional protections and the rich diversity of our country.

The DNC has gone so far to the right, that either we need an overthrow of the DNC leadership (which includes McAuliffe, Daschle, Pelosi, Feinstein, Kerry and Edwards) or the party has no place for the core constituents such as myself who have supported this party for decades.

4. Did you feel the actions you took were effective?

No. Because the Presidential ticket was pandering so much to the right and the non-existent middle that it reduced the effectiveness of my outcries against the right-wingers who are destroying our country. The "Anybody But Bush" campaign was NOT ENOUGH. We needed a candidate to vote FOR much more than someone to vote against.

5. Was it a good experience for you?

No. It was a nightmare.

And my calls to the Kerry campaign and the DNC were ignored and rebuffed. When I offered suggestions, when I tried to voice my despair over the Democratic candidates and their misguided campaign I was offered NOTHING but responses such as, "do you know what horrible things President Bush has done?". YES, I KNOW! And that's why I wanted a different leader; not a new guy who is essentially from the same mold.

And every letter or email I sent was completely ignored by the DNC, the John Kerry campaign and moveon.org. EVERY single written response I got was a demand for CASH. You seemed to want only my money. Not my views, not my time, not my efforts, not my moral support.


6. How would you make it better?
We need a complete NEW leadership in the DNC party. We need to get back to the fundamental LIBERAL values of the Democratic party.

We need to show courage and conviction in fighting for civil rights, health issues, fair taxation, international responsibility and human decency.

We do not need a leadership willing to compromise on EVERYTHING including gay rights, constitutional rights (almost every leading Democrat in Washington shamefully signed the Patriots Act), gun control and civil liberties such as freedom of expression and due process.

Compromise is no longer the most important option. Nancy Pelosi again today called for compromise and unity. This makes me want her resignation even more. She needs to learn to fight for what's right in America. Not compromise for religious fanatics, activist judges who appoint Presidents and jingoistic rednecks who have no clue about the world around them.


7. Please share other thoughts and comments you have about the 2004 election and what Democrats and the Democratic Party should do going forward.

Please make sure Mary Beth Cahill's career is over.

Please embrace the integrity and extraordinary leadership skills of the few Democrats around who have the ability to stand up for what they believe in ... these include Bill Clinton, Gavin Newsom (who I hope replaces Diane Feinstein for the California senate seat), Ted Kennedy, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean and Ann Richards.

Without further delay, please start fighting the egregious wrongs with the power and passion that the Republicans do. Why is the FCC being run by the unqualified yet frightingly fascist Michael Powell without any concern from the Democrats? Why are the Democrats not impeaching President Bush for TREASON, for incompetence, for abuse of power, for lying during the State of the Union and for so much more? How DARE the Dems allow President Clinton to be crucified for a personal offense and not fight with expedience and vigor the blatant illegal wrong-doings of such leaders as Bush, Reagan and Cheney? How could you allow Donald Rumsfeld to essentially set up concentration camps in both Iraq and Cuba without any repercussions?

The DNC should be ashamed of its lack of leadership abilities, convictions for OUR values and horrendous lack of marketing skills or media savvy.

I'm not a fanatic and I'm not naive enough to believe that any party can achieve anything or please everyone. But you won't regain the passion of the voters without strengthening your collective backbones. The vast majority of Americans want someone with leadership skills and who will tell them what he or she believe in; not the other way around.

[Catchawave]

119. Very well stated, thank you! n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

148. You said it perfectly . . .

now if only the DNC would listen. I'm afraid it's not going to happen. Our only hope is to start a new party where like-minded individuals can stand up and take this country back.

Howard Dean, are you listening?!

[peacetalksforall]

47. I thought I was the only one who sent a scathing reply - my focus was

on allowing another election to be stolen by not doing anything about it after 2000. Private citizens have done it all. And wasn't it the ALCU that organized the lawyers? It appears from here that citizens and neutral orgnaizations were the only ones who did anything.

We have to STOP SAYING WE DIDN'T WIN. The proof of theft and lies are coming in and no Dem leader is speaking yet.

[Lindsey]

50. I was so furious when I read this that I havn't responded yet...

I will make it clear that he must go!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[djeseru]

51. Sent my feedback this morning.

Two words: voter fraud. Simple as that. There won't be another chance in '08 if this is not addressed.

[Mira]

52. Terry McAuliffe wants our feedback. I say we give it to him!

I told him how hard I worked and how much difference it made. That I would not ever do it again, and not vote, and encourage others to not vote, until the election fraud is exposed and fixed.

Nothing about our future elections matters until then.

Told him I was appalled at Kerry disappearing after the little speech he gave, and is leaving us hanging with his promise to make every vote count and to not let a stolen election happen again.
That we need to know where he stands.

[tommcintyre]

54. Fix it or don't bother: EVOTING FRAUD RESOURCE CENTER

No amount of voters can win if the "fix" is in.

http://www.independentmediasource.com/evotingfraud.htm


Sections:

Article Sections:

11-2-04 and newer:

Featured

Evoting

On Site

Other voter fraud

Older



Other Sections:

Web sites

New Additions

Legislation

Things you can do



Hundreds of resources available through these pages

UPDATED CONSTANTLY. CHECK THE "New Additions" PAGE EACH TIME YOU COME BACK


SPREAD THE WORD. PROPAGATE THIS EVERYWHERE!

(Lots of bandwidth)
Du post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=28512&mesg_id=28512

Please send me suggested links, etc.

I'm not getting here 'nuff to keep up completely here.

[wryter2000]

56. I gave it to him

I told him that if he moves the party to the right, I'll be sending my money to the Greens. I'll remain a Democrat in hopes of voting for good candidates in the primaries. But if they put up Repug-lites, I'm not backing them.

I also told him that the election was stolen and, as far as I'm concerned, we didn't do anything wrong.

[stlsaxman]

58. I told Terry MacAuliffe, in no uncertain terms...

that I would no longer work for any candidate until he resigns as head of the DNC.

He can fuck himself, for all i care.

[Nightjock]

59. Dear Terry

Go fuck yourself you spineless asshole. You will never get another dime from me.

[Plaid Adder]

61. I just sent 'em my feedback...

...which boils down to, "Investigate the fraud or I'm done with you people. Also, moving to the right sucks as a strategy and if you can't figure that out I'm yet even more done with you people."

Faugh,

The Plaid Adder

[GreenPartyVoter]

69. I am extra, extra, EXTRA finished with you. *big grin*

Seriously, I hope they are listening.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Support Cobb, Nader, and Badnarik as they pursue recounts!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[judaspriestess]

62. I chimed in too........

I did mention among other things, what was John Kerry afraid of?
Losing his job? He is a millionaire married to a billionaire. It's not like he would have to stand in the unemployment line if he jeopardized his senate seat!! :mad:

[GreenPartyVoter]

63. Excellent!

-----------------------------------------------------------
Support Cobb, Nader, and Badnarik as they pursue recounts!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[mdmc]

64. RESIGN

boy, I don't like him.

[bread_and_roses]

65. It was the "healing" I raged on about

To the first question (I didn't bother with the rest)

Phone banks, GOTV, door-to-door, letters, etc., etc., etc. since last year, and donating $. And all I intend to say to you is that once Kerry called for "healing" and not to continue the battle to save civil liberties in this country, the battle to save the environment, the battle to save our young people from being sacrificed in wars for profit, the battle to stop slaughtering children in Iraq, the battle for economic justice, he and you lost me and people like me forever.

I am one of the progressives who worked for Kerry despite my not being a Democrat, despite his refusal to denounce the slaughter in Iraq, despite his weakness on economic fairness...because he was so much better than Bush. The least we deserved was a call to action, a committment to keep fighting for civil liberties, for the environment, for even the hope of peace, not a call to surrender to the party of theocrats and oligarchy. The Democratic party is useless.

If it were not for the work of the "left" that Kerry so cavalierly sold out with his call to "unity" you wouldn't have had half the votes you did. You will never again have one hour of my time or one $ of my money for one of your sell-out candidates.

And take me off your mailing list.

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

66. Terry, it's time for you to go.

Past time, in fact. Those of us that feel this way should tell him so. McAuliffe's lackluster leadership has failed us for the last time.

[PATRICK]

79. I vote the DNC-DLC move to Canada

Exile, no offense Canadian Du'ers.

[Jack Rabbit]

74. Yes, I really sent this

How would you like to continue to stay involved? (Volunteering, phonebanking, fundraising, local organizing, etc.)

Demonstrating against the occupation; urging active resistance to Bush's policies and programs; supporting the ICC, before which Bush and his aides should be brought.
Supporting a progressive platform that will appeal to working class Americans and give them an alternative to voting for their fear and hatred of gays without compromising our own stand in favor of human rights.

Please share other thoughts and comments you have about the 2004 election and what Democrats and the Democratic Party should do going forward.

I hope after this election, the 2002 congressional election and the California Recall, that Mr. McAuliffe is not given another opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Three ought to be the charm. Now wise up.
Next time, the Democratic Party should appeal to working class Americans who need better wages and health care. There is absolutely no sense in making an attempt to placate corprorate America; it will support the GOP anyway. If that is class warfare, let us make the most of it.

[bread_and_roses]

76. Good one!

Not that many others here arn't good too, but I am particularly liking your points

[PATRICK]

78. Stopped short of profanity, almost,

but nothing else. In detail answered about the local campaign too as a small example of other problems besides the disastrous incapacity to fight fraud.

I am still fuming. You don't need to hear it. Mainly asking for our support for a lost system is irrelevant. They don't get that, don't resign, don't write me back.

[Bluzmann57]

82. Got that email

and stated that its time to take off the gloves and kick ass. Those exact words, among others. I firmly believe this and am going to live up to it. I did not mention any person except Kerry by name but made it clear that we have to bombard the media everyday if neccessary about the mess bush and co. have made. Keep on writing Letters to the Editor and bugging local reporters. Also, we need to run people for school boards as well as city governments in hope that they can get the message out. I mean mention it everyday. We have no other alternative. Maybe it will get into redneck American mindset, even if subconciously.

[feminazi]

84. this was my reply

I only answered the last quesion (Please share other thoughts and comments you have about the 2004 election and what Democrats and the Democratic Party should do going forward.) For all the others I just wrote in "see below".

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Gee, Terry, I can think of one thing. FIGHT THE FRAUD! We have not lost the last 2 presidential elections; they were stolen. Until the Democratic party starts standing up to these thugs, it won't matter how much we spend, or GOTV, or what candidate we run.

Do something about the fact that the people that are COUNTING the votes (Diebold, ESS, Sequoia) are in the pocket of the Repulican party.

Fight for legislation to make them reveal their source code instead of claiming it as proprietary information. Fight for legislation to provide ALL voters with a paper ballot. Fight for legislation that prevents anyone other than a poll worker to challenge a person's right to vote.

Work with Bev Harris at Black Box Voting (blackboxvoting.org) to rectify these problems and restore democracy in the US. She's been screaming about these problems for the past two years, at least. That's where my donations will be going in the future. Not to a Democratic party that needs to grow a set.

[lojasmo]

88. Done

I told him we need to Kill the DLC. I also stated that if the DLC pushes another failure of a democrat down our throats (are you listening, Joe, Hillary?) I would take the entire 2008 general election season OFF, and wouldn't give a dime or a minute of my time to make sure they got elected.

I'm through being a knee-jerk democrat.

[itzamirakul]

130. Hillary is a SURE loss...

Basically, I like Hillary. She is my Senator and I voted for her (of course, I always vote a straight Democratic ticket>) But she has cowed down under Schumer too much, has taken very few stands on her own and she signed that unforgiveable Patriot Act and for the war.

She carries too much baggage and the Republicans will DESTROY her in a presidential campaign even if her opponent was Jack the Ripper.

[cthrumatrix]

89. they ignored this issue with MUCHO time before 11/2.... they ignored

what we knew would happen... they planned to fail !

[Nightwing]

90. He got an eyeful, hopefully he'll wake up!

My comments:

One would think our candidates would learn to take a page from Bill Clinton and learn how to give as good as it gets. Clinton knew how to stick it in those bastards faces; Why didnt John Kerry?

Very upset that Kerry/Edwards tossed in the towel without a fight for "the most important election of our lifetime"; Just HOW important was it if you up and quit without a fight??

I would gladly do just as I did this election cycle, donate time and money, provided we had a candidate with some backbone and the passion to win.

You have four years to prove to me that you will NOT back down from the monster in the White House. Fight hard, fight on or F@#* off!

[lauralei]

91. This is what I sent...

Mr. McAuliffe,

I think the real reason that we lost this election is that we have stepped away from our ideals as a party. The democratic party is the party that speaks up for those who cannot speak for themselves. The party needs to be clear and stand up for:
1. Universal Health Care
2. Free Higher Education
3. Better Retirement Benefits for our senior citizens
4. A womans right to choose
5. Full equality for women, gays, lesbians, trans-gendered and all minorities

When we get back to our roots the votes will follow.

[GettysbergII]

92. I sent him my $0.02

You better immediately develop a spine and contest the 2004 elections based on widespread vote fraud or no one I know is even going to bother taking you serious as a political party again. We busted our asses for you and you let us down.

How in blazes did you allow 83% of e-voting machines to be provided by companies with direct ties to Howard Ahmanson Jr, well known CNP leader and money man for the Dominionist movement which advocates that the "elect" can use any means necessary to establish "God's order" including deception, subversion, even violence. As Robertson himself adjures the faithful: "Zealous men force their way in."

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.thementalmilitia.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=251&mode=thread

If you are unwilling to expose these fanatics as the traitors to American democracy that they are then we'll establish a new political party that will.

[tarrant84]

93. c'mon, terry isn't that bad....

I've only met him a few times, but I thought Terry was a pretty good guy. He's a good speaker and had his shit together.

We should be blaming 2 people for this election:

1. Diebold
2. Mary Beth Cahill

Should have left it up to James Carville and Joe Lockhart-- that man knows how to run elections.

[madrchsod]

94. did this last night when i found my e`mail

told they better get someone with balls this time cause i`m fuck`n tired
of the democrats rolling over like a puppy...hammer the fuckers with the truth-kerry caved in and we are all fucked-does anyone think there will ever be an "free election"?

[jambojonusa]

97. My Reply Will Fit Right In To The General Mood Here at DU

Here what got writ to Terry...verbatim, by question.
I let passion be the guide more than best grammar and syntax...oh well.

2004 Election Feedback
Please take a few minutes to complete our Election 2004 survey.

1. How did you participate in this election?

I am currently lodged in the San Diego area although I am registered Green Party and an Oregon resident where I vote with an absentee ballot. So I am far from my normal base of operations. I had no problem voting for Kerry instead of David Cobb, the Green Party presidential candidate. It is not so much that I'm a Kerry supporter, but a Bush opposer.John Kerry simply had the best chance of anyone, of beating Bush.

I got tired of fretting at home, following the course of the campaign via various media. When my sister in law hit me with an offer to help out at the local Democrat Party phone bank and to walk precincts to aid the election of an environmental friendly for the position of a state assembly-person Lori Saldana, I jumped at the chance.
Of course getting out the vote for a local Democrat would have the same good effect for a Kerry vote.

Lori's race was tight. She had to face a smear campaign funded by tobacco company's, but she won!

I helped walk the last 2 weekends and helped at the phone bank throughout the week.

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2. Is this the first time you participated in election activism?

No. I cross Party lines and do some work most elections for both the Green Party and the Democrats, depending on the situation. Frequently there is a Republican that needs beating and a Dem candidate worth my effort.

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3. How would you like to continue to stay involved? (Volunteering, phonebanking, fundraising, local organizing, etc.)

At this point, I'm not sure. It depends in large part how the Democrat Party manages their defeat.

If they turn into Republican lite, and cave into GOP pressures to do so and effectively gut themselves in the process, which is the very tendency in the Democrat Party that led me to drop my party affiliation and join the Greens in the first place, then I very much doubt I'd help out unless like in this election it was a do or die, pinch hit situation.
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<4>4. Did you feel the actions you took were effective?

Yes, very much so. I helped Lori Saldana get elected in a close race against people way less environmentally friendly and tuned into the real needs of the San Diego area.
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5. Was it a good experience for you?

Of course.

It would be a better experience if I KNEW for sure that every vote counted. How in the heck has the Democrat Party let the democratic process slip so badly?

As a party you better get your shit together to help ensure it remains a good experience. As a party the Dem's need to take the forefront to fix our broken and ailing system. You'll enthusiastic have the support of millions. We are waitng for you the party to catch up with us.

You have strayed from best principles in your zeal to do whatever it takes to win and in your attempt to fund campaigns by the rules of the game that you help write that are now eating you up and delivering you to the GOP. Oh well sorry about that. So fix it.

(I might ask, was it a good experience for you at Headquarters to lose in the way you did to the GOP? Was it?

You know as well and better than I do that you lost because the GOP used a bad set of slanted and rigged rules to bend and cheat US out of an election that in all probablity if every vote were to have been counted, that Kerry won.)

Under these circumstances, shame on you for asking this question. Its pretty cavalier of you.

After all you are in part responsible too for a whole litany of the ills the have lead us to the bad pass America and YOUR OWN PARTY is in.

I don't expect much from the nazi-infested GOP nowdays in the way of real reform and succor. But I still have at least some hope in the Democratic Party, or I wouldn't be taking the time to write you and to appeal to your better instincts.

It is soul searching and house cleaning time.

So please, help us fix and reform our democracy before it is entirely too late to do so. You will find that if you do and chmapion US inour time of need that many of us will come back and work hard once again for revived Party goals and objectives.

Please please, quit selling US out the the GOP on the real issues.

And yes I'm still on message. Which is...ensuring a good experience while working heart and soul out, for something I believe in.

Let's start with an overview:

Democracy is either advancing or retreating. The one thing for certain, win or lose, is that its a struggle either way.

A good yardstick by which to measure the advance of democratic principles is that it always heads toward a Fuller, Fairer, Freer FRIENDLIER Democracy.

Are we?

Is the Democrat Party?

This is what makes democracy work and utimately makes it a good experience.

So...listen up.

Here's the nuts and bolts part:

We want and need electoral and voting reform NOW.

The following would be a nice start.

If we are going to use e-voting machines they need to operate by open source code (not proprietary code) and leave a paper trail.

End legalized bribery and support publicly financed campaigns.

Take back the airwaves and provide free time for ballot-qualified candidates.

Include everyone in elections by adopting same-day voter registration.

Give voters the information they want by opening the presidential debates.

Open up the two-party system by adopting proportional representation.

Gauge public opinion at the polls by initiating a national non-binding advisory referendum.

Make every vote count by allowing instant runoff voting.

When there is no one worth your vote, you should have a binding None-Of-The-Above option.

...& throw in for popular support a National Holiday on the Day of the General Elections.

Amen.

If you get behind ANY portion of this list with a will and enthusiasm as a Political Party, it will ensure millions of enthusiastic workers outworking for and voting for Democrat candidates. Simply because you would be championing US. That wwould make it a good experience for EveryBody. Not only for me and my generation, but for my children's children.

If you don't, the writing on the wall says that the GOP will swallow you and the US in their drive to be the Imperial monolitihic Party.

Not a good experience.

And you know this is true.

If you listen and work with US to achieve this, you'll have a LOT of happy volunteers.

so wise up.

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6. How would you make it better?

For the most part, refer to the above.

The local Dem's were friendly. Could have been a tad more organized, but no real gripes...The pizza was good.
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7. Please share other thoughts and comments you have about the 2004 election and what Democrats and the Democratic Party should do going forward.

I take it you are asking for constructive criticism. Very well.

Terry fire yourself. Quit while you're behind.

The Democrat Party needs a strategist in your position as head of the party, not a fundraiser.

Quit letting the GOP frame all the important terms like-
"Center"
"Liberal"
"Moderate"
"Morality"
what a Patriot really is, or can be...& etc.

Study this issue framing thing until SomeBody REALLY has it. And then run that person for President. Or at least allow them to advise the candidates in how to really use FRESH words with power and conviction.

Kerry came close, almost got it during the debates. In my estimation, the entire Democrat Party still has a problem with this. Although the speech making at the Convention really was impressive. What is lacking is that your words don't yet match your deeds.

But then who among us stands up and does the right thing at all points? Nobody.This is not stone casting time.

Just keep working toward it aye? But work fast, for your demise draweth nigh if you don't "get" the real message that we need to hear from you in order to fully support you. That message can NOT be faked. It comes from the heart or its nuthin.

You/we/I have lived under a subtle tyranny of words and ideas that lack conviction, devoid of the substance of their reality, afraid to act on our highest ideals, taking the lower road of political expediency for so long, that these chains of your/our/my own making...that its hard for you/me/us to burst out of them and express what's genuine and valid in your/my/our message.

We the people need to really identify with you again...and sadly for both of us, all too often we don't. Why?

How to reconnect with Us, with me?

I don't pretend to have the answers. Just some questions really.

Whatever you do, pease don't write this off.

Ponder it. Take time to listen to ALL of your constituency. Including lil ol me. Then I hope and trust you determine to walk the way of the most inclusiveness.

Quit picking on the the weak and defenseless, either by commision or ommision.

A case in point: What business does Gray Davis Democrat or Jerry Brown another Democrat here in CA have in backing Gov.Arnold S. in fighting for the amendment of the 3 strike law to not include non-violent criminals. This measure, 66 I believe was a most humanitarian measure, its intension to bring the 3 strikes and Your Out law into line with its real and original intent.

SO WHY THE FRIGGING HELL DID TWO PROMINENT AND RESPECTED DEMOCRATS FIGHT AN HONEST AND VERY MUCH NEED REFORM? Huh? Did the thoroughly nazi California prison union make em? Shouldn't be in bed with such vermin to begin with. This isn't the place to be compromising the peoples business.

Consider yourselves warned. Either work with hones reform or get the hell out of the peoples business or we will run you out of it.

Now that I have let off some seriously built up steam, maybe I can continue in a reasonable and civilized tone....maybe.

This is what I am talking about. Until the Democratic Party gets this straight, really for your own good, because your much to dangerous to have the reins of power, go take a hike.

At least we aren't so easily decieved by the GOP agenda. We know what to expect and fight against.
Once again shame on the Dem's...And what? In the name of WHAT political expediency?

Geez. At points you guys really are pathetic.

Medpot and just pot smokers...those in prison etc...the ill with catastrophic diseases. You know what I mean. And shame on the supposedly people's party for going along with such a callous social program.

In some ways the dem's are more at fault than the republican's in this regard. For we trusted you to champion us and you have not. You have pretended to, but have not. Your substance, your words have thusly grown thin and unconvincing. That translates into your base doesn't vote for you come voting time.

Give the real Progressives even a smidgen of say in the Party.

Quit acting like Republican lite already.

Be inclusive. If you are truly inclusive and champion our rights, it'd do wonders for the party and party morale. It would get you votes that you haven't gotten for years.

Don't worry about what the your old guard and so called centrists say. Or what the swing voters might think. They could be persuaded by the sheer energy and audacity of what real reform means in the face of the GOP beast. heh heh...If you can't see this then you are doomed as a Party at this point in American history...just a shade of itself, the dumb bunie shadow of the GOP...

Is that what you aspire toward? Then have at it. But your constituency won't follow you there forever.

Then back to this...that this so-called left turn, which is what you opponets would brand it, but is it? really? (it isn't leftist, its...??? you name it?...it might even be something new, bright and something that truly fits the needs of our times...and you can be the torchbearer for it. Even yet Oh Democratic Party...even yet.

What it is....is actually good old fashioned American values...you know..."live and let live". "Responsible Freedom for EverBody". Imagine that! Mere people, US folk having a real legal entitled share, in the great InCorporation
called the USA. We have a share in the work and the worry and a share in the rewards of being an active member of the great American expirement.

Please make sure you guard our investment for US ok?

Remember the Grand Vision of America and actually set about to realize it.

Don't cave in.

Perhaps an excercise to help you figure out what is what and keep it straight is to list what this vision of America isn't. A quick look at the GOP party platform would help. And just GO...in the opposite direction.

Here's a little more more on the needed language use shifts that will allow power and persuasiveness back into your words:

Listen to how some of the Progressives and 3rd parties have to say what they say. They are less encumbered than mainline Dem's and often speak more freely. The result is that it comes across more real.

If some of these very people who you do not allow into your Party had YOUR platform from which to speak it, you'd be one of them instead.

Why in the heck are you blocking some of this talent? Are you afraid of it? Why? Have you strayed that far from best principles? Only you can answer that. From the outside, I swear at points you really have me wondering. Too ofetn you have left me feeling cheated and duped when I have supported you in the past.

Listen to how some of the best of these reformers from the outside of the party speak and act. How they present and that which you know to be good ideas...You know, the good ideas that you know are good and just, but you are afraid to pick up and run with because the GOP would hammer you into mincemeat if you did...or political expediency says it would be suicide to run with.

THOSE ARE THE VERY IDEA YOU NEED TO RUN WITH TO REVITALIZE THE PARTY

I do and must call bullshit on this cowardice. This is exactly what the American people are waiting and watching and hoping for. Its time to provide it.

As they say in the old country- its either time shit or get off the pot.

What other way is there to rebuild a defeated, dwindling party without caving in?

If you do the right thing for the right reason at the critical time and seize the right issues fearlessly. You will have a rationale that amounts to the winning combination that strikes the right spark among US...

....Or you chicken out. Then you miss an opportunity that only in truly dangerous times and defeat is it ever offered. And the consequences of that could very well be America's soul. The USA that we have known and struggled to operate and maintain then dies in this generation.

Hard choice? Is it really?

Lead us in reform and renewal or we will somehow have to do it without you.

The one thing I know is that the Democratic Party is positioned right to lead this effort. Simply put,it would be alot easier if the Democrat Party recognized its historial role and seized the moment that this present opportunity provides us, and threw their weight wholeheartedly behind the real thing.

Alas I fear you will not. I fear you will cave in like a buncha sweating politicans, instead of rising to this most serious challenge of American Democracy since our inception. In short, will you act real like real men and women. Or alow the beast oertake our country with not much of a fight?

Good men and women everywhere are waitng to see what your official resonse will be.

I pray you do the right thing, the real thing, instead of try to pass off something bogus as has been in large part going on for years.

This is no time to treat politics as "politics".
This is the people's business. Not a game run by ruthless money mongers and all bought off ahead of time.

I wish you the best in your very difficult decision making processes over the coming months.

We are waiting and praying for you.

Don't let US down.

more rants from-

jambojonusa
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http://www.vote-nobody.com/

[uhhuh]

103. I liked everything in your responses, except

You kept using "Democrat Party".

I know you know it's the Democratic Party, right?

It grates on me every time I see it.

The right wingers invented the use of that term to denigrate democrats. It's a slur as far as I'm concerned, even though the Dem leadership should be taken to task for their cowardice, they, and we, don't need winger language manipulation used against us.

[jambojonusa]

117. excuse me...I stand corrected

you are right.

sloppy of me.

I wuz writing in a white hot heat...didn't do the clean up sweep the letter needed before sending it to Terry or posting it on the DU, as can be witnessed by the many typos and errors in sentence structure as well as it loose presentation. Its not a tight peice, just passionate.

I'll learn. Better learn if I want to sway the thinking of our leadership.

This is not the time for half baked attempts.

We are in a war for our freedoms every bit as grave and important the destiny of this nation as the one fought 230 years ago. Instead of attempting to run a blocade of British ships we are runnuning a blocade erected by the media. It has got to the muskets and cannon stage yet. Hopefully this war can be fought and won with words, information and ideas.

So here's to our best efforts!

[uhhuh]

137. Cheers!!!

n/t

[AgadorSparticus]

99. here's my letter. i should have copied all my answers but i only

copied the last answer.

"I'm thoroughly outraged by Kerry and the Democratic Party's early concession to this election when the votes were not all in. Where is the fight that was promised me? You took my time, money, and trust that you would show the fire that Howard Dean started in this unprecedented election. I'm unbelievably saddened by the lack of leadership and the apparent belief that your constituents would go quietly into the night. This is not about Kerry winning. This is not about the Democratic Party winning. It is about representing the people, maintaining democracy and having clean and fair elections.

What the hell does this party stand for anymore? We keep moving our messages further right in hopes of winning elections that we aren't winning. Who represents our voices? The DNC? I haven't heard hide or hair from you people in the past week. Where were you when our voice was needed? Where is the delivery on the promise that every vote will be counted??? Where is the litigation???

I'm not buying this bullshit anymore. Unless I see some fire coming out of the Kerry campaign or the DNC's belly regarding election fraud, I'm done with you people. This election was far too important to just roll over and play dead. You betrayed me and millions of others who believed you would do the right thing.


Thoroughly outraged in Arizona,"

[xxqqqzme]

104. feels good 2 vent - my $0.02

'Get up off the mat! Get rid of the lame ass centrist democrats (who don't fight, have no spine, don't speak up - hello??? Daschle LOST!!!!) that are taking the party down a sink hole. McAuliffe HAS to go; he should have resigned in '00; '02 was a disaster - should have resigned then. When did it happen, that people who fail to perform their job description get to keep their job????
I want to see the Democratic Party draft, support, present and ACTIVELY campaign for a ballot initiative in all 50 states GUARANTEEING a verifiable paper ballot RECEIPT, if e-voting. I am sick and tired of these corporate rat bastards stealing elections so they can then steal everything NOT nailed down - i.e., water, national parks, air, civil liberties, oceans...you know the list. There has to be some radical thinking; dead wood HAS to go or I'll take my life-long Democratic ass and work it off for a party that DOES represent me
GET BUSY! We have less than TWO years to take back our country. If Howard Dean won't take over as Chair of the party, then listen to his ideas. The Democratic Party treated him and all who supported him as disposable - The Party was lucky so many of us despise that arrogant cowboy. We were extremely generous in our response to the party's treatment of us. We supported Kerry/Edwards even though when the Party started the 'electable' meme during the primaries, we knew it was a load of crap. We are Democrats. We are your base. We are not stupid. Pay attention. WAKE UP!'

[cboy4]

106. The first six questions to that "feedback" form

are so absolutely unimportant because volunteerism and activism issues are not what cost us the election.

And maybe it's very telling that the DNC doesn't have its priorities in order when the most important question about what they can do better is listed last!

[auburngrad82]

110. My comments to Terry McAullife

We need to make race an issue. There have only been two black Senators (both Dems) and only one black GOP Congressman. The GOP has a terrible record on race and they are neglecting the black vote because so few blacks actually vote. We need to change that. Income differential between whites and blacks have widened under GOP control of our country. The changes to Medicare and Social Security, along with a potential military draft and a federal sales tax, will hurt low income and minority families much more than it will hurt middle class whites. The Dems are the party of Civil Rights and anti-discrimination laws. But we seem to have abandoned the minority population of our country. We need to refocus our efforts on getting minorities more involved by showing them what they have to lose under a GOP controlled governments.

[itzamirakul]

131. Agree and Disagree

I agree that race has to be more openly discussed in politics, especially the race hatred that Rush Limbuagh has created that glued together the red swatch of states in the middle of America.

I disagree that blacks do not vote. The black vote is the most consistent and reliable that the Democratic Party can count on. This election alone even more Democrats than usual registered and showed up at the polls to be greeted with interminably long lines, machines that registered Bush's name when the voter had pulled the lever for Kerry and innumerable other fraud glitches. The Democrats have always been able to count on the black vote since FDR. Of course, we need to focus on getting even more blacks involved but at least 90% of black Americans who did vote, voted for Clinton, Gore and Kerry.

What we need is a clear, concise message and a real platform.

[Harlan James]

114. They no longer seem to be accepting responses

The DNC site looks to be lights out, and the e-mails no longer go through.

Probably didn't like what they were hearing. Either that or they're of sunning themselves in the Carribbean somewhere.
Hopefully they'll be back in January.

[GreenPartyVoter]

115. I got a note back thanking me for my responses and would I go to

the Common Ground-Common Dreams forum to talk about it with others?

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Support Cobb, Nader, and Badnarik as they pursue recounts!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[rhite5]

116. Sorry, Mr. McAuliffe

I've been a Dem PCP for more than 10 years and am a former county Central Committee officer. I have voted for over 50 years. My faith in the party has fallen badly ever since Election2000. I have worked hard on issue campaigns and also for local candidates and have donated money to selected national issues and candidates.

This year I worked with MoveOn to motivate voters who had dropped out of the electoral process. We had some success in IDing them and getting those who would support Kerry to vote.

I have been troubled by the fact that the DNC has never addressed the electronic voting issue and its fraud potential. Some candidates did, but John Kerry did NOT. It was obviously the ignored elephant in the living room for the past two years at least.

Although Kerry was not my first choice as a candidate, I supported him. I was absolutely shocked when he conceded before all the votes were counted and did so in spite of the advice of his legal team. What was he thinking?

No question but that Kerry won this election and then gave it away.

Where was the Democratic Party? Why didn't it stop him?

It looks to me as if the Democratic Party died with this election.

My future efforts will work on electoral reform (opening up the debate process to 3rd parties, eliminating the electoral college, instituting proportional representation, and eventually IRV) and on media reform and will do so either as an independent or as a Green or in a NEW progressive Democratic Party. I will shortly resign my position as a PCP with the current Dems.

I am sorry Mr. McAuliffe, but you and John Kerry have let us down badly.

[Carl Brennan]

118. They are looking for more information

[TWiley]

120. We fulfilled our end of the effort, the leadership clearly sucked.

We delivered enough money and activist support to win this election, and we lost by a virtual landslide.

If any president was def eatable, it is the asshole in office right now.

The democratic leadership was lousy, and squandered all the resources we contributed.

It looks as though our brilliant strategy of "political ju-jujitsu" turned out to be nothing more than Barney Fife shooting himself in the foot again.

If we cannot change this countries leadership, then we need to change our own.

[opihimoimoi]

123. I concur, 0 for 3 is not acceptable.. a change is due...Besides, its not

the amount of Monies, its how to spend it to get the most votes for the buck.

Clearly behind in strategic thinking, I call for a shakeup and a new team with fresh approaches to the victory lane.

Our team as it turns out....was LAME

[Catchawave]

121. Seeds for a strong Third Party movement?

All these comments are so inspiring, though I fear they will fall on deaf ears. If there's to be a strong progressive movement, it needs to start now. I'm convinced the DNC cares more about our wallets than our minds and spirit.

[Pallas180]

127. rogressive?? What is a Progressive? Democrat is dead - What happened to

good old fashioned LIBERAL PARTY , PARTY OF THE PEOPLE ?

[jasmineblue]

122. I just told him

that I feel next time I should just send my contributions directly to the RNC & save using a middleman (DNC), since it appears we now have a one party system & the DNC only seems to serve as a front for the RNC...with Kerry just walking away before they finished counting the votes! I also asked him what they are planning on using all the money the "little people" donated for the GELAC fund that was supposed to make sure "every vote counts & every vote is counted". I told him I thought it might be used for them to be able to attend the inaugural festivities they may now be invited to, since they quietly surrendered to the emporer.

[Chimpanzee]

125. i SAID i WANT MY $1800 BACK WHICH i COULDN'T AFFORD

including the $100 I sent November 1st to help with any LEGAL CHALLENGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GreenPartyVoter]

126. I'd love to know if they give it back to you. *hugs*

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Help expose the election 2004 voter fraud today!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[Lydia Leftcoast]

129. I gave him a piece of my mind

:-)

[hangloose]

132. I spend the time a gave them a ration of shit !!

[KoKo]

133. I barfed through the whole thing...but gave him my "Piece of Mind." They

only did this to "refresh" their donor roles...I hope you know that. They had *required fields, that forced you to put down your address after you had already given them your "e-mail" address.

It was a scam...but I hope he read my "You've had three chances...and three strikes and you're out if you are a baseball fan."

It was a site to "vent." But, I did VENT and glad others here did also, even it it comes to nothing...at least he got an "ear full!" :D

[Eric J in MN]

135. my suggestion was less TV ADS more of everything else.

This is what I wrote:


I'm against Democratic consultants getting paid with a percent of the cost of tv advertising.

That encourages them to budget money for tv ads which could better be spent on canvassing, radio ads, and billboards.

Pay Democratic consultants a set fee, determined when they're hired.

[KoKo]

136. a kick for giving him a Piece of Your Mind even if you have to barf

through the idiot boxes and make sure you don't check the box at the bottom or you will be inundated with two copies of every DNC/DLC campaign contribution form for the rest of your life.

I asked them to never send me another piece of mail...but that's because I'm now a Progressive.

[KoKo]

138. Keep giving McAuliff feedback...Demand Investigation into Vote Fraud!

Go through the boxes and say...Election Irregularities...need a full scale investigation. Let him earn the money he took from us.

[TWiley]

139. A bunch of E-Mail asking for Money is all we got.

I do not recall any that addressed current issues with pertinant information.

When the Swift Liars first showed thier ugly face, where was the DNC with the information we all needed for rebutal? And so on, and so on.

They were too busy asking for money and could not be botherd with trying to get any truth, or any perspectives out there.

Why was there not and equal effort in countering the lies of the bush campaign? It would have been more effective

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

147. My message to McAuliffe . . .

bl*w me. Take your mainstream agenda and shove it. I'm sick of my party trying to act like Repukes. And then, just when Kerry's got the election won, this guy and his ilk allow the election to be stolen right out from under us.

Maybe its time to start a third party, that's my suggestion.