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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:15 PM
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My government is smoking crack, it's insane and abusive...
What's up with all the "election reform" talk here? I have noticed.
many threads with "election reform" as the main idea. Has "election reform" replaced the effort to expose the fraud of Nov. 2, 2004? Is "election reform" the goal now? I hope not. I am all for "election reform" but if "U.S.,Inc." isn't overturned than it won't matter. I don't care who runs in 2006 or 2008 because it's rigged. If we don't overcome that, we will never win again. I don't know that I will vote again if things stay the way they are now.

The political process is a sham, a mockery. There is no reason to participate in the illusion called Democracy here in the United States. There has to be real REFORM. It has to come from the people. I, just like some of you, am disgusted by our government which is a FRAUD; our media which is a conspiracy of silence, a sell-out; the corporate interests running our country instead of a real government which benefits real people. It's pathetic, really pathetic!

And, the way we just keep going on as if everything is normal, while all this is happening, that's really the kicker. It's like my government is smoking crack. You know, just for a moment imagine the government as parents of a household. Think of it, these parents are out of control. They are insane and abusive. They're spending is out of control and they are spending all the money on Yachts and Coronations and crap while the important things aren't being tended to. They are lying. They are pretending things are okay when they aren't. They are denying our reality. They are living in a make believe world. I mean, think about it. Why are we not in the streets everyday? Why are we taking it? I have never been so radical and I have never been so outraged either.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:19 PM
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1. I am starting to believe those who do not live in the states effected most
by it do not really understand the extent of the evilness that is surrounding us as far as elections and the acceptance that we do not live in a Democracy. I saw it first hand this year and I am sicken but the abuses of this country towards those on the lower end of the finicial ladder. I just what to puck at it all, it is so bad it is beyond measure.

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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:21 PM
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3. I agree with you on that point
I live and work in Branson and the right wing has a stranglehold on the entire community.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:00 PM
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25. I get it and I don't live in one of those states. See this:
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 11:07 PM by Amaryllis
I started reading this stuff months ago (see links below) and have been freaked out ever since. Not only the e-voting stuff, but the stuff about voter suppression. There was a lot about OH and FL on voting rights websites months before the election. I knew it was going to be stolen again.

I am finding the thought of four more years of an illegitimate presidency intolerable. I am not sure what can be done. I don't mean I have given up, but all my attention was focused on Jan. 6 for so long and now I need to take a breath and ...and I don't know yet. I am regrouping, as are many, I think. But I know a whole lot of people who are outraged about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=271079&mesg_id=271913&page=

And this:
How They Could Steal the Election This Time by Ronnie Dugger, where he discusses all the voting machine companies. (Thanks for your post; you are in an extremely valuable postition to do some crucial educating.)

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20040816&s=du...

"British-owned Sequoia Voting Systems of Oakland, California, whose touch-screen voting equipment was rejected as insecure against fraud by New York City in the 1990s"

And this:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/vote-d24.shtm...

US voting machines: Will 2004 elections be electronically rigged?
By Alex Lefebvre
24 December 2003


Recent revelations about US voting machinery companies and their products raise serious questions about the integrity of the electoral process in the US, as well as in other countries. These companies, which have intimate ties to the US right wing, operate with no real outside supervision. According to information that has emerged, their products’ safety designs are so poor that they offer many opportunities to rig elections, especially for well-connected insiders.

The crucial issue has been the transition from paper or mechanical balloting to electronic balloting. In many electronic balloting systems, voters’ information is simply stored electronically (known as Direct Recording Election, or DRE), as opposed to printing out a paper ballot that the voter can then check to see if the ballot matches his intentions. However, voting systems corporations generally claim that the software code that records votes is proprietary, and therefore deny outside personnel access to the code. When candidates or organizations have sued for the right to access the code, judges have ruled in favor of the voting systems corporations. The companies have also threatened to void warranties for the machines if they are inspected.

Voters who cast their ballots using any of a number of electronic voting systems have no way to check that their votes have been properly recorded. A New York election commissioner, Douglas Kellner, said: “Using electronic voting machines to count ballots is akin to taking all the paper ballots and handing them over to a couple of computer tech people to count them in a secret room, and then tell us how it came out. This is not an acceptable way of conducting elections in a democracy.”

The democratic qualifications of the pre-DRE voting in the US should not be overstated. There have been numerous cases of elections rigged via manipulation of other voting machinery systems, or by altogether different means. However, the scope of unverifiability and the centralized, secretive nature of the tallying process create the conditions for an unprecedented attack on the public’s democratic right to have its vote counted.

The Florida state primary elections of 2002, in which Jim McBride defeated former attorney general Janet Reno for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination, provided an example of the type of electoral irregularities that can be expected with DRE voting. Vote tallies in several precincts of Miami-Dade and Broward counties aroused Reno’s suspicion, and she asked Professor Rebecca Mercuri, an expert in computer sciences and voting machine technology, to investigate.

In an interview with Salon, Mercuri said: “She called me because they saw the number rolling out of the machines, and they figured something was screwy. You would have places where there were over 1,300 and there would be like one vote for governor.” When asked about the process, the voting machinery supplier, Election System and Software (ES&S), sent a technician to recover the lost votes. Mercuri commented: “Basically ES&S comes in and they’ve got some sort of tool they stick in some part of the machine and they pull some data out of it. How can you trust that?”


The voting systems industry’s political and criminal connections

The voting machinery industry is dominated by a few large corporations—Election Systems & Software (ES&S), Diebold and Sequoia. ES&S machines count between 55 and 60 percent of votes cast in the US; Diebold and ES&S machines put together count about 80 percent of US votes.

ES&S, formerly American Information Systems, enjoys impeccable conservative credentials and links to the clerical-fascist right. Its 1993-1994 CEO and 1992-1995 chairman, Chuck Hagel, became a Republican senator from Nebraska in 1996 and won his re-election in 2002 in elections where votes were counted entirely on ES&S machines. Although Hagel sold his entire stake in American Information Systems before becoming a candidate, he kept a $5 million stake in its parent company, the McCarthy Group. Hagel failed to disclose this fact on congressional documents.

ES&S also enjoyed the financial support of far-right California billionaire Howard Ahmanson. He provided capital to brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich, the founders of ES&S precursor American Information Systems. Bob Urosevich now heads the election division of Diebold, and Todd Urosevich is a top executive at ES&S. Ahmanson also funded the Chalcedon Foundation, a leading institution of the Christian Reconstructionist movement, which advocates the establishment of Christian theocracy and Old Testament law in the US, including the death penalty for homosexuals.

Diebold is largely controlled by staunch Republicans. Besides Urosevich, Diebold’s current CEO Walden O’Dell is a leading fundraiser for George Bush’s re-election campaign; he recently declared he was “committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year.” During the 2000 and 2002 election campaigns, Diebold donated over $200,000 exclusively to the Republican Party.

Sequoia is largely controlled by the British cash-printing firm De La Rue. Its management has a remarkable record of dishonesty: executives Phil Foster and Pasquale Ricci were convicted in 1999 of paying Louisiana commissioner of elections Jerry Fowler an $8 million bribe to buy their voting machines. These convictions took place in the context of a massive election scandal in Louisiana involving connections with organized crime, in which Sequoia executives gave immunized testimony against state officials. Ricci in particular was suspected of having mob links.

Sequoia is also linked to the Bush family: De La Rue’s corporate parent, private equity firm Madison Dearborn, is a partner of the Carlyle Group, the investment firm that employs the current president’s father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.


The 2002 Help America Vote Act: Bush administration spreads DRE voting

After the theft of the 2000 election, the Bush administration tried to blunt opposition to its undemocratic installation by passing a voting reform act. The bill, titled Help America Vote Act (HAVA), finally passed in October 2002, shortly before the 2002 election cycle. It rallied the support of several liberal political organizations, notably Public Citizen and the League of Women Voters.

The legislation requires that electronic voting systems be in place for the next presidential election of 2004. It includes $4 billion in funding for states to replace voting equipment—funds that would go straight from Congress and the Bush administration to their backers in the voting machinery industry. The bill did not directly indicate which voting machinery should be adopted. However, the amount of funding it provided per precinct—$3,200—was enough to fund DRE machines (which cost $3,000-$4,500), but not optical scanners, the main competitors of DREs. Optical scanners, in which voters fill out bubble sheets, cost $4,500-$6,000 apiece and are less accessible to the handicapped.

Moreover, although HAVA specified that voting machinery should meet certain standards, these standards have not yet been published due to the failure of the Republican-controlled Congress to appoint a commission. The standards may not be in place until 2006, at which point states will already be under obligation to have purchased new equipment. Other legal loopholes exploited by the voting machine companies include selling machines that have the capacity to print out paper ballots after the election is finished as machines that “create a paper trail.” However, as these machines often do not print out ballots that the voter himself inspects, this distinction is specious.

States are still in the process of attempting to reach HAVA compliance, and information on what systems will be in use during the elections is spotty. However, 36 states have accepted HAVA funds and plan to replace substantial portions of their voting equipment. Three states (Alabama, Alaska, and Maryland) have not applied for HAVA funding, but Maryland is considering updating its equipment to all-Diebold DRE voting with no paper trail features. Eleven states—Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Maine, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont, Virginia and West Virginia—have not yet decided whether to apply for HAVA funds.


Security flaws in DRE voting

A bitter controversy has emerged over the reliability and security of DRE voting. DRE voting systems have many proponents: voting systems corporations and their backers, handicapped organizations that view DRE voting as more accessible, and liberal groups claiming concern for possible disenfranchisement of poorer voters as a result of using antiquated machinery. However, work by a large number of people—investigative journalists, computer security professionals and students, and voting industry workers—has shown that current DRE voting systems have massive and critical security flaws.

Not least among these are the risk of computer fraud by the voting industry itself. Although counties require companies’ software and machinery to pass tests, there is no way to prove that the company uses that same software on election day. In fact, Diebold has already been caught secretly switching code after its machines had been tested in Alameda County, California, according to a November 6 story in the Oakland Tribune. Diebold workers also reported that the company switched software in Georgia between tests and the 2002 elections.

These concerns are compounded by the fact that most DRE systems—including all ES&S machines—have internal modems connecting them to external computers. Hackers able to decipher voting machinery code or voting industry programmers could thus issue instructions to the voting machines during or after the elections, after testing of the machines had taken place.

David Dill, a computer science professor at Stanford University, commented: “The ability to install patches or new software that wasn’t certified has many risks, including the introduction of new bugs and more opportunities for tampering. It is even more risky if different patches can be installed at the last minute in particular jurisdictions. This opens the possibility of customized tampering by people who know exactly which races they want to affect, or bugs that are even less likely to be caught because they occur only in a small number of locations. Of course, even if the certified code is frozen, it is easy to think of ways that undetectable back-doors could be installed in the software so that someone at the election site could choose the winner of the election.”

Perhaps the most damning revelation came in January 2003: voting activists discovered that much of Diebold’s code for its election machinery had been available for an unspecified amount of time on a public, insecure ftp server. Anyone who knew about the server could thus download and examine the code, or even modify it and send it back to the Diebold server. According to blackboxvoting.com, the available files included hardware and software specifications, the central vote-counting program, and “replacement files” for Diebold and Windows software supporting the vote-counting program. Blackboxvoting.com later revealed that Sequoia files were also available on a public ftp server.

Some of the available Diebold files were particularly damaging from the point of view of computer security: they included diagrams of communications links, passwords, encryption keys, testing protocols and simulators.

Computer scientists at Johns Hopkins and Rice universities published an analysis of sections of the publicly available Diebold code. It is available at http://avirubin.com/vote.pdf . The report found many substantial flaws in Diebold’s DRE technology. Firstly, voters validate their identity by presenting a “smart card” electronic identity card that turns itself off once the voter has voted. However, the report found that it would be simple and inexpensive to buy a similar card and program it to allow a voter to vote as many times as he wanted. Poll workers would have similar opportunities to directly and unverifiably tamper with vote totals.

The report also found that the transmission systems between voting machines and central computers were non-encrypted, allowing for easy modifications of vote totals by hackers while such messages are in transit. It noted that the use in the election programming of C++, a programming language known for its relative vulnerability to hacking, indicated the company’s unserious approach to computer security.

Perhaps most importantly, the report found “no evidence of any change-control process that might restrict a developer’s ability to insert arbitrary patches to the code. Absent such processes, a malevolent developer could easily make changes to the code that would create vulnerabilities to be later exploited on Election Day.”

Diebold’s response to the charges was to claim that one of the report’s authors, Avi Rubin, had a conflict of interest, as he held stock in a smaller, rival voting-machinery company, and to threaten lawsuits against web sites posting its code for evaluation. The state of Maryland, which is preparing to equip itself solely with Diebold electoral machinery, hired SAIC, a defense contractor with CIA ties, to evaluate the security of its software. SAIC’s heavily redacted public report agreed with most of the Johns Hopkins/Rice report’s technical findings, but speciously argued that its understanding of Diebold’s source code was flawed and that the state of Maryland’s “voting environment” would prevent any vote-tampering.

Key questions, to which there are still no definite answers, include: Was this remarkable breach of security a complete oversight, or were there elements inside Diebold who deliberately allowed the files to be placed where outside operatives could find them? Who accessed the Diebold files? What, if any, changes were made? More generally: Do right-wing political operatives in the US now have the ability to electronically fix elections by tampering with voting software?
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solarspa Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:11 PM
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28. all States were affected
We have this President don't we?
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:33 PM
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32. I'm in NJ, and I understand the extent of the evil surrounding us all too
well. Votes were shaved here too even though it went blue. They shaved them here on paperless voting machines just to help construct the 'mandate'. For weeks before the election I heard that NJ was in play, this was bullshit, but we were being set up that way. If the vote count was higher in NJ for * than expected, all of those 'in play' lies for weeks would take away suspicions about the percentage * got in NJ. Even blue states were part of this dastardly plan, and don't think we don't know it. He is not called His Fraudulency for nothing, he earned that title in every state in the union.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:21 PM
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2. There is still an effort to expose the fraud in the last election,
but different people are focusing on different things: election 06/08,
election reform, framing the debate, taking the media back/making our own media, and of course exposing fraud in the last election. The fraud investigation seems to have slowed down, but everyone needed a down time after the electoral vote certification...I think it will pick up again. There are a lot of fronts in the fight, and people are branching off to fight how they see fit.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:21 PM
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4. It's a Dysfunctional Government.
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 01:23 PM by ClassWarrior
Awesome frame. Especially so because it plays right into the metaphor of "nation as a family."

A $50 million party for Chimpy**'s second successful theft, while brave Americans are dying in Iraq for... what?

And of course, the New Rightwing Permissiveness means WE are all expected to be moral, but THEY can pimp with Kid Rock.

NGU.


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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:42 PM
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9. Yeah, I like the metaphor of Nation as a family. Can I divorce
my government like kids divorce their parents? I mean if this is some kind of social contract that we have agreed to, I think we need a new contract. How about you?
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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:24 PM
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5. Both are happening.
Coming up with hard evidence of election fraud and reforming the system so it don't happen again.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:36 PM
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6. 3rd gen Fasicsts dont smoke crack ---LOL
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:39 PM
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7. What do you mean FogerRox? To whom do you refer?
BTW what is LOL?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:53 PM
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11. LOL = Laughing Out Loud
NGU.


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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:57 AM
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29. GWB is a 3rd generation Nazi
4th Generation arms dealer..they like to seel to both side of a conflict --greater profits---ya know
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:40 PM
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8. Election reform is likely a code phrase
that means we will be better "educated" that any small changes that are made in the election system will be done to convince the American voter that any "irregularities" and "glitches" have been corrected so they can have "confidence" in the "integrity" of future elections: while the true agenda and meaning of the code phrase "election reform" could be to keep business as usual with small adjustments for the new, "reformed" system that will be specifically designed with new "reformed loopholes" to continue to allow fraud and rigged elections in the future.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:52 PM
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10. Note to you: Hope is a Progressive value.
Never Give Up.


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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:35 PM
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15. Hmm, it is, isn't it? Hope is a progressive value. Thanks CW you
made me think about this, or remember it. I am not feeling very hopeful right now. I feel more uncertain than anything. Still, it is a progressive value. Hope.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:38 PM
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16. Progressives must have a healthy dose of reality,
otherwise groundless positivism or hope is nothing more than another type of denial or lie. Having hope is somewhat of a razor's edge that can cut both ways: creating a desired future or entertaining the delusion.

I do believe there is hope, Boxer signing the objection points directly to that. It is a beginning of a desired future. Unfortunately M$M continues to ignore the importance of open debate and by so doing they imply stopping election fraud is delusion.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:15 PM
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18. Of course they do. But that's not what I'd call all the disruptive...
...threads on this board lately. Some folks have been using "pragmatism" as an excuse to disrupt and confuse around here.

Second of all, let's start by calling the so-called MSM what they really are - The Corporate Media. There's nothing "mainstream" about their greed agenda.

NGU.


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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:05 PM
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26. I often ask myself where we'd be if MLK or Susan B Anthony or many others
had given up.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:57 PM
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13. So, you mean, like "HAVA" which sounds like it's good for the
voters this code phrase will actually not do anything for us? Am I understanding correctly?

I think they have been cheating since 2000 (and not the old kind of cheating, but a new systematic methodical pre-meditated sophisticated cheating with long-term goals) 2002 was a dry run for them in 2004 they still have kinks to work out but they intend to work them out.

So you are saying that they will continue to perfect this illegal voting system?
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:45 PM
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17. To your third question: yes, of course! nt
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 02:47 PM by SimpleTrend
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:05 PM
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21. Yeah, I thought so, I think that they have/and will continue to do
this too. I just wanted to be sure I was understanding you correctly.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:06 PM
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27. See post #25
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:56 PM
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12. Texpatriot ... multitasking...
How about election reform AND exposure of fraud?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:57 PM
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14. I know it's possible to do both, but lately what I have seen here is
more of "election reform" how about you?
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anaxarchos Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 05:00 PM
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19. "Reform" is not enough. Democracy has to be the issue.

Everybody is for "reform". For the Republicans, hearings on HAVA are all that is meant; and those have as much chance of targeting "registration abuses" by "democrat front groups" as anything else.

The senate Dems are not serious about much more than reform as a figure of speech. It wasn't a priority in their agenda and there is that very real problem of not having enough votes to pass diddle.

The left is split. There are those who want to talk about "reform" and forget about this election (just like 2000). There are those who want to focus exclusively on BBV issues, which BTW, don't address the myriad of voter suppression, registration suppression, etc. which are at least as important. There are also those that want to use this election to directly attack the fake "republican majority", using the fraud in this election as a lever.

The complicating factors are the strategic and tactical elements. You probably can't attack 13,000 plus distinct voting jurisdictions without national legislation or a Constitutional Amendment but if you go that route, you are digging in for a 20 year slog.

Exposing the fraud is a means to an end, but you still need that end. How does one fight for Democracy right now?

This is a long way of saying, to talk about the words to be used, you have to have a plan to get there.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:03 PM
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20. I agree reform is not enough, besides, reform could go on and
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 06:04 PM by texpatriot2004
on and on...

I mean we waited four years for them to fix the 2000 issues and look where we are right now.
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anaxarchos Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:20 PM
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22. So, why not write what you mean...

by "REAL REFORM" and invite people to add or comment on it. No matter where anyone sits on the issue, that is probably the next step. A concrete proposal is a pretty good weathervane for the related issues you raised in the original post.

Just a thought....

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:35 PM
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23. You can't fix something broken, with something broken.
Our elections reflect our democracy. While I disagreed with the methods of Nader, which really proved not a viable option, the democratic party needs to take responsibility for laying down. If they have no viable options, than we have a very hard row to hoe indeed, and success will more likely be in small increments. In other words, short of a spectacular outcome via the judicial system, we won't be going back to Kansas any time soon.
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:36 PM
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24. The government is broken
I used to think that Nader was way to negative-but things really are that bad.
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Niche Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:08 PM
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30. There will be no reason to vote. And it is a sham....
Imagine if we would have voted Cobb instead of Kerry - they were busy rigging the dem vote... we could have made a bold statement.
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bardgal Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:10 PM
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31. I agree x INFINITY!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:22 PM
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33. Hi Bardgal nice to see you. n/t
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