Franken and a "Berkeley Professor" explain how "*" "won"

[RaulVB]

That happened about 25 minutes ago in AAR.

I was driving to work and I heard this "revelation."

Total agreement between the 2 "geniuses":

1. Kerry was portrayed as a "flip-flopper." (Kerry's fault)

2. Iraq is "*"'s strength.

3. "*" is a "straighshooter"..."people likes him"..."people thinks he tells the truth..."

Well folks, rigth there is the problem. You don't need to be a rocket scientist.

With people like Franken and this "professor" on the airwaves, "speaking on behalf" of Democrats or trying to do so, THERE IS NO HOPE OF WINNING ELECTIONS.

I mean people that can be so blind or willingly ignorant of reality HAS NO PLACE IN THE NEW REALITY CREATED BY THE REGIME.

[Darkhawk32]

1. I stopped listening to Franken.....

He amplifies the stereotype of a "liberal"...

[soleft]

2. actually I think his problem is he believes the stereotype of a liberal

and is afraid of it.

[pbartch]

51. I think Franken is stupid and I don't like him anymore

[hadrons]

3. besides, Darkhawk32 had the Carlos Beltran press conference to listen to

[Darkhawk32]

5. I'm hoping the Mets get Delgado and Sosa as well....

That'd be a nice outfield, eh?

[hadrons]

7. this is the last on the subject (we won't hijack the thread), but ....

ESPN Radio in Chicago Reports that Henrdry and Minyana are to meet next week regarding serious discussions about trading for Sammy Sosa.

[RaulVB]

10. Great you guys!

Let's talk baseball!

"Good for the American democracy..."

[Blue_In_AK]

43. Kind of like whichever Congressperson it was

who was talking about the Michigan and Ohio football teams. :-)

[RaulVB]

44. Yes, that was a "rethug" of course (n/t)

[AngryAmish]

45. cool

I was the biggest Sammy defender out there until last season. Bye, Sammy!

[flyarm]

34. i can not listen to franken any longer! n/t

[Amaryllis]

35. Me too.

[bunny planet]

46. I also stopped listening to Franken but I keep the radio on and tuned

to AAR anyway. I don't want them to lose the ratings, keeping them on the air and gaining more affiliates across the country is vital. They are the only Dem leaning MSM talk news station out there at present. Besides, I think they might start carrying Thom Hartmann's program soon, I think that's why Randi had him as her guest host, to familiarize her listeners with him. I listen to him all the time now but my computer stream constantly craps out on me. It'll be better if he's on AAR and I can just turn on my radio to hear him. He will educate a lot of people.

[onecitizen]

47. I quit too........

I don't want to say bad things about him though. Of all AAR programming, IMO, his show is the weakest. I really thought he'd be a strong advocate for us but so far, not so much. Do you think it's because he's wanting to run for Senator sometime soon?

NOW, I listen to Thom H from 12-3PM and I'm much happier. :-)

[tridim]

4. The question is, why do people still trust Bush?

He's a proven liar, yet they still trust him. Why? It's the media, which of course is the same thing as BushCo.

[RaulVB]

6. People doesn't. That's the kick

Both geniuses ignore the "corporate media" hit job made on Kerry and the "corporate media" selling "*"'s "goods."

That's why things are like they are today in the US.

Simple.

[liam97]

8. Raul, I share your disgust

but ordinary people know better than these "great folks" which is why there was some kind of a grassroots response to the election-related issues

[RaulVB]

14. Yes, Liam

I know that, I'm thankful of knowing that the Americans are not the "morons" Franken and his peers try to portray.

Raul

[okieinpain]

16. you mean not all americans. some of them are morans.

[liam97]

27. The problem is not really with the ordinary folks

but with an extremely reactionary upper middle class

[EFerrari]

17. I understand people not gettng the black box tech.

But, with all the evidence of the massve suppression of the minority vote, sometimes I wonder if the problem here is just ugly old racism.

And those same people who haven't talked to a single voter from Columbus or Cleveland or East St Louis or New Orleans are the ones who don't know the same tactics are being used against poor people and students as well.

I did email the station and said so.

[Amaryllis]

36. If they aren't online they have no way of knowing. We live in parallel

worlds: the world of MSM and the internet. We live in both but they only live in the other. We overlap but they don't. To them, our world does not exist. Science fiction becomes fact.

[EFerrari]

38. True to an exent. But I know that people at the station ARE on

the net. And believe me, MSM itself, like AAR, is highly aware of the net and use it to get information. What they do with it is something else again (rolling my good eye).

[Amaryllis]

50. I was referring to the average person who doesn't go beyond MSM.

[hadrons]

12. he a good con man

he projects the image of honestly ... one of the reasons is that he is good at creating images ('freedom on the march') and I think his verbal screw up help (many people feel very articulate people - like Clinton - are dishonest) ... my mom use to fall into this trap, she said that if you forgot what you were able to say it was a lie (which is not true, but that's how she was raised)

Also Americans want beautiful lies to ugly truths and Dumbya gives the stupid the latter

[loudsue]

9. We need to rally to get Franken OFF of AAR. He's GOT to go!

I'm sick of his frikkin' repuke asskissin'.

He's toast :nuke:

:kick::kick:

[EFerrari]

11. Email the station. He's got to stop that cr@p!

http://www.airamericaradio.com/contact.asp

[RaulVB]

22. I did it (n/t)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. Franken is the perfect example of Dems becoming Repug light.

Here's another example.

I heard him the car last week and started yelling at him at the top of my lungs. He said he would have no problem at all with a pro-life person being the head of the DNC.

He's worthless.

[euler]

15. Rove got to him maybe ? He succumbed to...

...right wing brainwashing ? Is there another explanation ?

[buddysmellgood]

18. I think he is paid by the democratic party to spew that crap.

[Tuesday_Morning]

19. I think he has battered dem syndrome

I've stopped listening to him.

[mistertrickster]

20. Are you sure you heard this right--if they're talking about how Bush and

Kerry are PERCEIVED by a lot or most people, they might be right.

That doesn't mean they think Kerry is a flip-flopper.

The fact remains that Kerry said he was "misled" by Bush on Iraq. Bullshit. I haven't believed one thing Bush said since he became pResident, and I haven't been wrong once.

He would have been seen as a lot more resolute if he hadn't supported Bush's war until he opposed it.

[RaulVB]

21. With my own "cheating ears"

Plus, if Americans are such a morons, that "subtle" distinction you make, "perception", is a construction that the "common American" would not be able to make.

Franken's games are very dangerous and irresponsible.

[EFerrari]

23. Yep. I wonder if he isn't trying to get irate callers? From an

entertainment angle? I don't listen (can't listen to talking and work at the same time.)

[KittyWampus]

54. No Raul Did NOT HEAR THEM RIGHT> My Guess Is Opening Poster

is intentionally misrepresenting what Franken said.

[RaulVB]

59. Hey, AL, c'mon...

The interview WAS HEARD BY MANY MORE PEOPLE.

That's OK, it will go away, eventually...

[garybeck]

24. It's OK if they play that game

let them try to deal with all the problems they describe while we focus on election reform. I see no problem with that.

it oes suck that Franken doesn't recognize the problems with the election but that won't stop us from working on it. he's not the only person who can change things

[merh]

25. Why don't you send Franklen the exit poll information that TIA

has from the Post? That actual shot of the page reflecting the numbers is something the idiot needs to see.

[euler]

32. The top of that page....

...said "Preliminary"

The bottom of that page said "Final percentages may change"

I can assue you, the final exit poll, will not contain those phrases.

It would be better to wait for the final version before we start sending it out all willy nilly.

[Vektor]

26. "*" is a straight-shooter?!?!

Yeah right! The SOB lies like a rug every time he opens his thin-lipped, mealy little mouth!

[RaulVB]

28. Franken thinks that way, I guess

I mean, the media says "*" is a "straightshooter", people believes the media, therefore "the democrats are the problem"!

Franken likes that construction and he doesn't take the time to challenge it.

Lazyness, that's all.

[KittyWampus]

55. Franken DOESN'T Think That- He Didn't SAY That.

the 'lazyness isn't on Franken's part. It's on your part.

Although it may very well not have been lazyness on your part.

Who knows, maybe you WANT people to get the wrong impression about what Al said.

[RaulVB]

58. OK, AL...

"I'm sorry..."

See my other post below,

G'day.

[Straight Shooter]

33. Let me tell any lurking freeper creeper about being a "straight shooter"

It carries a price, and you've got to have personal integrity when you deal with people. I am a straight shooter, I have always been a straight shooter and my goal is to remain a straight shooter until my final breath.

I despise seeing my moniker associated in any manner whatsoever with him, because bush is no straight shooter!

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edit: this post not directed to anyone currently on this thread

[Der Blaue Engel]

42. Shrub couldn't shoot his way out of a paper bag.

I've just been wanting to say that phrase for days. :D

[Amaryllis]

37. Did they say THEY thought * was a straight shooter or PEOPLE think

he is? Because lots of ignorant people DO think he is a straight shooter. I have quit listening to Franken but it is hard to beleive he would say * is a straight shooter????

[RaulVB]

39. Franken's presentation was confusing, on purpose

He wouldn't say that "*" is a "straigth-shooter", of course.

He just made all the constructions to explain how is acceptable to think people gets to that point of dellusion.

I mean, if you play by the right wing talking points.

Franken was reacting at a topic framed by the right wing, once again.

That is, "*" "won."

"What's wrong with us...Democrats"???

[Amaryllis]

49. What's wrong is Dem leadership is math challenged; can't add up how

many votes it would have taken to change the election outcome (11 votes per precinct in OH; got that on voter suppression alone-never mind machine manipulation) and most don't have a CLUE about e-voting vulnerabilities.

[Pacifist Patriot]

40. Straight shooter, is that the new way of saying...

lies 100% of the time?

[spooked911]

29. Is it possible they were just regurgitating the CW about Bush?

If not, then :puke:

and also they are a disgrace.
:mad:

[RaulVB]

30. Well...

They were repeating right wing talking points and NOT ONCE, they talked about the "corporate MSM" and their participation on the smear campaign about Kerry.

I think is clear what they're doing.

[euler]

31. Here Here...

"I mean people that can be so blind or willingly ignorant of reality HAS NO PLACE IN THE NEW REALITY CREATED BY THE REGIME."

I agree 100%

[Der Blaue Engel]

41. Actually, it's "Hear, Hear"

Just a pet peeve of mine.

[saracat]

48. I can't listen to Franken. He touts the DLC line,

hook, line and sinker. He hasn't got an original thought in his head.He expands DLC talking points. He promotes their hand picked people,i.e. Roemer. Watch.He will come out against Dean shortly. He is hatcheting Kerry because that is their version of the "lost" election. Notice how he spews back the points the Senators echoed during the certification.Don't you hear the echoes of Clinton in his talk? "stop whining, Bush won. Bush got more votes, Bush "deserves a huge Inaugural"?

[Carolab]

52. WAKE UP AL! If we don't fix the voting system, nothing else matters!

Jeeze. Franken is doing the party a real disservice by NOT talking about the disenfranchisement and the problems with these machines, etc.

Everyone should be writing to him and telling him this.

You can contact the show right here:

http://www.airamericaradio.com/shows/alfrankenshow/

[KittyWampus]

53. The Opening Post Is A Pile Of Steaming Crap. I Heard The Interview

and they said Kerry being painted as a flipflopper and that people WRONGLY percieve Junior as strong on terrorism and as a straightshooter.

Why do people post outright lies on this forum to smear Franken?

[RaulVB]

57. The initial part of the interview was a repetition of RW talking points...

"Too subtle for the common American..." (Franken's argumentation)

The challenge to those talking points was weak at best (I'm generous), by both "gentlemen."

The rest is your WISHFUL THINKING, and, of course, you're entitled to that.

Regards.

[googly]

56. The only real reason Shrub won is because the repugs

stole more votes than our side did. Although as a small
consolation, we in Washington state beat them by stealing
more votes than the repugs did, in the governor's race.

[autorank]

60. Another "Douchebag of Liberty" Congratulations Al! Come on down.