How should we approach people when we are spreading the word about fix

[genius]

Does anyone have any suggestions for good lead-ins to the fact that Kerry won and Bush cheated? What would you say to someone who has not been seeing what we've seen to convince them of what happened?

[Hello_Kitty]

1. No problem here. People I talk to already believe it.

Even a few I've talked to who voted for *. Just tell them to google voter fraud or bbv. That can explain it better than I could.

[LiberalEsto]

14. Here is into letter I'm using to approach this issue with Media

Below is detailed information regarding reported E voting
numbers, from various mathematicians, Computer Scientists,
statisticians, and other qualified people , experienced in
statistical norms and acceptable levels of deviation, between
poll studies and reported E voting totals.  

These numbers need to be looked at and verified for their
validity, and reasonable plausible explanations need to be
made to account for these differences between exit polls that
were highly accurate in 2000, and now report a statistical
significant variation, beyond the acceptable statistical norm,
between exit poll results and E voting numbers in Swing
States, that did not implement a paper audit trail with their
Computer Voting machines. 

I must STRESS that I have not had the opportunity to validate
the accuracy of all of the below numbers.

However, since the implications to our Country are very
profound, IF the below numbers are correct, in the interest of
protecting our Democracy, I have chosen to make them available
to you for study and verification. 

A word to the wise. I"m a Database Administrator, and I
was a member of my college Debate team. 

If you wish to rebuttal these numbers, do so with facts, and
not with 'persuasion by ridicule' tactics, by using emotional
labels such as  'conspiracy theory', 'kooks',  'sore losers',
and other attempts to discredit an individual, because you can
not discredit their facts or position via a logical and
reasonable rebuttal. 

The Collegiate Rules of Debate, not only disallow any and all
attempts of 'persuasion by ridicule', but actually discount
one point for every attempt that a Debater made to win the
debate by personal attack, instead of via facts and logic. 

The originators of Collegiate Rules of Debate were wise enough
to know that if you make a factual assertion, and I respond
with a personal attack, then by my lack of addressing your
facts, I am actually admitting that you're facts are correct,
and since 

I cannot make a successfully factual rebuttal to them, I have
to resort to a personal attack. 

In other words, any responses of personal attacks to the below
statistics, is admitting that the below information is
correct.

I will hold any and all responses to this message and data, to
the same Collegiate Debate Rules and Code of Conduct. 

I am perfectly happy to debate this issue with anyone, using
Collegiate Debate Rules. 

However, I will not subject myself to, or give the dignity of
a response to, irrelevant personal attacks.  

Sincerely, 

[noamnety]

2. I like charts

Of course, I'm an ex-graphics geek.

You can ask what they thought of the exit polls being so off. And then push towards isn't it weird that they were only off in the places that had electronic voting? and let that sink in a bit.

Then you can show them some of the charts from Florida. http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm#FL

You don't have to tell them the punchline, you can just ask them what they make of it.

[crispini]

3. See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1764

First reply, for a call-to-action letter all ready to email to friends and family, re: BBV.

[noiretextatique]

4. i added this to my letter to family and friends...for emphasis

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these
ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and
organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely
to effect their Safety and Happiness

[txindy]

5. Talk to them as if it is common knowledge.

When they appear surprised, point them to info., but keep it calm. Electronic voting machines don't inspire confidence in very many people. I doubt they'll be all that shocked, although they may balk at believing there was fraud. Incompetence and errors, yes, maybe not fraud. They'll believe later. Maybe when the indictments come down. ;)

[bullimiami]

6. ive told repubs and dems

the dems all seem to know immediatly that it is true. they already know there is somethng fishy, they feel it.

i also told the most bush supporting person i know, i got serious on him and told him in no uncertain terms that I knew the election was rigged and I didnt care if he believed it or knew it but i did. he did not make any jokes about it. i think he felt it too.

you dont need to break the ice.

[Dukakis88]

7. You have to put the story in context...

Start out with a little background on the Illuminati and Freemasons, and then work your way up to the Gnomes of Zurich, Project Blue Book and Majestic 12. By the time you get around to describing the black box voter fraud, it will sound quite plausible by comparison.

[illuminaughty]

8. Hey watch it with the Illuminati

lol, I liked your idea. But I agree with most here. They already know, it's just getting them into action we need be.

[nodehopper]

16. what's project blue book? I just learned about the gnomes the other day.

[BayStateBoy]

9. If Addressing the Media, We Must Appear Like We are Looking for Truth

and don't especially suspect any fraud.

[robbedvoter]

10. I usually bring up the pretty colors - then go from there

[robbedvoter]

11. P.S it's effective, because Rove went on Faux to denounce exit polls

[BeFree]

17. Thanks robbedvoter

Best graphic yet.

Wanna do one on my funny numbers from NC? Please?

[Straight Shooter]

20. Yes, and our talking point should be they're doing Damage Control

That is exactly what they're doing, just like they connected 9/11 and Iraq. Put the lie out as fast as they can and then people won't believe the truth even if it comes up and hits them with a 2-by-4.

[molly]

12. I send many emails every day

some of the responses are not exactly "positive", but that does not deter me.

[Copperred]

13. IT WASNT BUSH...IT WAS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ITS BUREACRACY

I DONT BELIEVE BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION>>>I DONT BELIEVE HE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

I BELIEVE IT WAS INTENTIONAL FROM THE BUREACRACY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

[nodehopper]

15. I've been having terrible problems

Even the Democrats think I am crazy, like pursuing this is against the party's interests, we will look like sore losers. Total cognitive disconnect that if this election was stolen, the next one will be too. I feel like I feel like I am in some horrible version of The Onion's Point/Counterpoint, with (my) Point being: It Was Stolen and (your standard progressive's counterpoint) being We Have To Move Forward, Hillary 2008!

I show then numbers, and they say I am trying to shift the blame. Help!

[progressivebydesign]

18. I use the term "embezzlement" it's less stark than stolen..

and it opens you up for a conversation. As I've explained to people.. it's much easier for embezzlers to steal when they take $10.00 from a thousand people, than to take $1,000 from ten people.

When people hear the words 'stole the election', it's too broad, and people will automatically think, "HOW did they "steal" 3 million votes? Come on..". When you frame it as embezzlement, 4k here, 5k there, it's clearer for people to see how EASY it's done.

[Straight Shooter]

19. I say, "bush is a NONVERIFIED president"

Because the votes are questionable and cannot be verified, and this was a deliberate decision on the part of the GOP to have NONVERIFIED voting.

[harpo]

21. I'll demo hacking into a windows machine running GEMS