LETS PLAY A GAME! Damn,Karl Rove Is Lighting Fire After Fire.

[McCamy Taylor]

Latest is Armstrong Williams. I am betting Karl Rove outed him to USA Today to create yet another diversionary story to keep the MSM occupied playing the game of "Who else is accepting White House payola" so that they wont investigate something, but what? That man really doesnt want anyone in the MSM to have time to concentrate on one of the gazillion scandals plaguing the White House but which one?

LET'S PLAY A GAME!

Which is the Mother of All Scandals, the One Karl Rove Real Truly Doesnt Want the MSM to Touch? Im putting this here in election, because it is probably the election but not necessarily (be creative!)

:think:

[McCamy Taylor]

1. I'll go first. I'm going for a long shot. ENRON.

Why Enron?

Because it is the only one in which Bush actually participated in the criminal activity. He personally rolled back the price caps which allowed the energy traders to f**k the grandmas of California (If you have not read the transcripts of the Enron tapes which CBS has on their web site from last summer I urge you to so before Viacom does so, there is a great quote of two energy traders gloating about what * will do to those price caps once he is elected prez).

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/01/eveningnews/main620626.shtml

That's my opinion.

Any others? Which scandal do you think Karl Rove fears the most?

[MARALE]

2. I'll play

I think the Iraq elections are what he does not want focus on. The MSM was starting to cover them a lot, he does not want everyone to see how really bad it is there.
Also the trade deficit is bad today and the dollar is tanking. Not the best news.

[Guns Aximbo]

3. Plame

He wants the Yellow Cake story (remeber that one?) diverted.

By-the-way, how did the Williams story actually break? Who did the investigating on that?

[electropop]

6. I'm going with Plame too

All the other crimes (despite their national and global effects) will likely result in a slap on the wrist at most. Treason is the one that could put Rove in jail for life, or even result in his execution. It's also the one that is taken very personally by the intelligence and law enforcement communities. They will hound him without mercy until he pays.

[troubleinwinter]

39. I think the Plame thing is big, too. Wonder if something is due out?

[Amaryllis]

57. But that one is so old...why now? Although Conyers did mention it in his

letter.

[tngledwebb]

4. Rove is not worried about MSM,

he's got MSM locked up. He's more concerned with blogs like DU. But he might be using the Williams payola to: 1. keep the vote fraud or other related stories off the front burner and 2. discredit media or journalism itself, and keep the public skeptical about everything they read. It works best when you sacrifice one of your own. And as Williams is black, the right wing base will be very happy to see him outed.

[Al-CIAda]

10. Good answer

[CrispyQ]

5. I wish he would choke on his dinner.

[Straight Shooter]

18. bush's you-know-what is not big enough for Rove to choke on

:evilgrin:

[CrispyQ]

22. Oh! You're bad!!!

Thanks for the great laugh!!!

[bmoney07]

7. Ihave to agree with all posts so far and would like to add

the whole torture scandal that is being brought forth in the german courts, and in other places.

the list goes on and on for this administration, we could play this game for hours.

[tngledwebb]

12. Yes the tortue scandal seems very likely.

It is big, it requires a big sacrifice.

[tngledwebb]

49. Typo on torture, sorry.

But would like to change the real reason to the WMD story. Does that seem more plausible today?

[zann725]

59. Could be the War Crime charges...

If enough of the International Community bands together.

[democraticinsurgent]

8. Florida

It's the nexus of many evil things: 9/11, election fraud in '00, '02, and '04, CIA drug running, Khashoggi, Jebbie, you name it, it's happening down there. The latest scandal is hurricane fraud, where many got disaster cash they didn't deserve.

Another thread the other day hypothesised that Jeb is being staged for '08. If so, anything that diverts attention away from the sunny fla. is good for the WH.

[sabra]

9. September 11

Rummy slipped last month, when he said the Philadelphia plane was shot down. I think there's alot more to 9/11 then the public knows about...

[tngledwebb]

13. About 99% of it is unknown to the public, though that issue has more

red flags, smoking guns and reams of evidence than the well documented '04 election fraud. Read The New Pearl Harbor.

[SaveAmerica]

25. what? I hadn't heard that, where would I find that info? thanks n/t

[sabra]

28. Here you go...

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=517

[McCamy Taylor]

42. The military could try t make a case for shooting it down to save lives on

the ground, what they couldnt make a case for is NOT shooting down the plane that hit the Pentagon which was pretty much the same as the Pennsylvania Plane except for one difference, it happened to have a Very Important Wife on It.

[bush_is_wacko]

41. Nuff' said. n/t

[riverwalker]

11. he is going to get sloppy

cocky and overly confidant, and make a mistake. Just like other sociopath serial killers. That's when we nail him with evidence even the MSM can't ignore.

[tngledwebb]

15. So many depend on his evil and particular genius for propaganda

and timing. He can't live forever, can he?

But MSM will be there to fill in the gaps if he goes...

[lonestarnot]

63. Rover already has the "big head"...bout time for a f...up

[spooked]

14. ASBESTOS!!! The Senate Asbestos Hearings were yesterday! MY THEORY...

THIS IS MY THEORY:

I believe that the World Trade Towers HAD TO COME DOWN because they were a HUGE ASBESTOS liability.

Using the World Trade Towers in a terrorist attack was so convenient for Cheney and the Pentagon as well as Larry Silverman who gets BILLIONS in Insurance money rather trhan having to pay out ASBESTOS claims!

For over a year I have been trying to find more information on ASBESTOS and the WTC. I just know there is a huge link there.

http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

"Six months before the attacks on the World Trade Center, the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion 6 weeks before 911. But the World Trade Towers were not the real estate prize the Silverstein Group might have been led to believe. The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. Other New York developers had been driven into bankruptcy by the costly mandated renovations, and $200 million represented an entire year's worth of revenues from the World Trade Towers.

The attacks on 9/11 changed the picture. Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, seperate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself."

[McCamy Taylor]

20. Bonus points for Creativity!

:bounce:

[troubleinwinter]

37. Hmmm....

:thumbsup:

[zann725]

60. Interesting. Silverstein bought the buildings six weeks before 9/11...

and the "inside job" theory says that explosives alleged to have been placed around the base of the building would've taken several weeks to complete. That would mean that Silverstein bought it, and almost immediately someone began the placement of explosives at the base of the buildings.

Interesting theory and possible motive...

[WritersBlock]

62. It may well have been a handy solution to that, as well as fitting in

perfectly with PNAC's "New Pearl Harbor" idea. Two for one, so to speak.

In your research, have you found any studies on the effects of airborne particulate matter in the area after the collapse of the towers? If your theory is right, the asbestos they would otherwise have had to clean up was instead spread around in a fine dust over the city.

[emcguffie]

64. Oh my god

I know that there were two "energy spikes" under the buildings before they fell, and that some think they were nuclear explosions. No one can figure why the energy spikes happened right BEFORE each one came down.

A good friend of mine was in one of them. She go out by the skin of her teeth. The pregnant niece of a wonderful woman I work with died, running away, ten feet from an alley where she would have been safe.

And there was no plane at the Pentagon site, they say. I can't remember. I think I remember seeing a plane sticking out of the Pentagon, but there is this fellow, and there are lots of photos (which can be doctored), and some supposed "eyewitness testimony" saying there wasn't any plane there. Suggesting it might have been a missile.

If this is all posted already, sorry.

[electropop]

67. I drove past the Pentagon days after

and there was no visible plane, though they said they were still finding its debris. However, it's pretty easy for me to believe that it fragmented into very tiny pieces, which when mixed with Pentagon rubble and smoke, would not be visible.

[tngledwebb]

69. Penatgon photos can be found on net, easily.

Google killtown.

[carolinalady]

16. No WMD in Iraq--(big surprise)-- n/t

[flpoljunkie]

17. No need to worry about any investigations with Gonzales as AG...

And certainly none will come from the Republican controlled Congress. Rethugs fear Rove's retribution if they do not toe the party line.

[EFerrari]

19. Jeb bilking FEMA? Yesterday I read in LBN that $12 million

dollars (think that was the amount) have gone missing in Florida.

[Greybnk48]

21. No such thing as Al Q'aida

See the BBC report that's coming out over on General Discussion. The main thrust (I have not watched the video yet) is that this admin. manufactured/ fabricated the existence of a large organized terrorist group that does not exist. Cold War redux--commies!--they're every where.

Second choice: in addition to the first, not instead of, Paul Wellstones's assassination. New book coming out. I believe it's called The Strange Death of Paul Wellstone.

Both of these stories are on Gen. Diss.

[darkworkz]

35. Power of Nightmares

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-scheer11jan11,0,5399604.story

The above is a link to an LA Times OpEd story on the documentary.

[emcguffie]

23. an article in IPS on Pentagon report

I just read an article from InterPress Service on a Pentagon report, by the Defense Science Board or something like that, that is highly critical of the Bush admin, their planning, their refusal to take advice about how many troops were needed, and suggesting that the State Department is better suited for the rebuilding than the Pentagon. Of course, the Pentagon took it away from State, remember? This report was "released quietly" last month.

Anyway, it's extremely critical. The Boston Globe did an article, but the NY Times -- not a peep that I can see. Of course, I could be wrong.

That probably is not what you are alluding to, but it is very bad news, and most of the MSM is ignoring it.

Oh, and now the PM in Iraq is saying they have to put the election off. More very bad news.

[Quakerfriend]

24. Oh, so many to choose from

I'd say, 911. I still believe that something big is going to break re:911. Between Madsen and the newly outed CIA folks I'm sure there's quite a story waiting to be told.

[Alizaryn]

26. The death toll in Iraq.

[bunny planet]

27. so many scandals, so little time.

I couldn't begin to guess which little sleazoid, illegal activity the
Pillsbury Roveboy is trying to play three card monte with this time.

My brain hurts just thinking about the possibilities. That man can juggle more balls in the air then those families of Chinese acrobats that used to appear on tv.

[McCamy Taylor]

29. Oooo Karl Rove as the Puff n Dough Boy!

[TheUnspeakable]

31. his proper name is poppin' fresh!!

I too was very suspicious the first day the Armstrong Williams case
broke-there was a LOT of MSM coverage-way too much-I definitely thought it was a ruse to divert attention, but there are sooooooo
many evil things they have to hide, I honestly don't know which one it is.

[jsascj]

45. Looks Ralphie, all grown up

Ohhhhhh Fuuuuuudge

[McCamy Taylor]

30. I change my mind! Its WMDs! I didnt know today was the "No WMD" Day

Karl must be hoping the Lefties will be so busy playing "Pin the tail on the right wing pundit who is taking money from the White House" that they will forget to talk about the fact that so many in the administration


LIED about W-E-A-P-O-N-S O-F M-A-S-S D-E-S-T-R-U-C-T-I-O-N

He may succeed too. Keith Olbermann was fairly salivating at the thought of outing unscrupulous journalists. However, the Daily Show will not miss a chance to remind us that we were lied to. And Randi has been able to cover both the Armstrong Williams and the WMD story today. She keeps reminding her listeners that the guy who important WMD documents is getting a promotion, while people at CBS who didnt spot forgeries got fired.

[mod mom]

32. THE IRAQ WAR!

Look at the number of lives lost, and destroyed. Look at the world view of our country-50 years of diplomatic efforts down the drain. Look at the proliferation of terrorism and instability in the middle ease! All this blood and hate for what-OIL!

[LEW]

33. I think it could be something we don't even know yet

Despite the wonderful efforts of everyone on DU and other bloggers, there is alot that goes on we know nothing about, classified you know! I agree Rove does these types of stories for distraction, it's the oldest trick in the book, and very effective.

[McCamy Taylor]

34. Now I'm scared. Something even worse than the stuff we know about?

:scared:

[htuttle]

36. I don't think Rove outed Armstrong Williams

Paying Williams for propaganda is potentially a felony. It's also the easy-to-understand sort of scandal that can play very well on TV in 30 second sound bites.

[troubleinwinter]

38. Who did out him????

[htuttle]

40. Well, I'd guess it was another 'news' person

Looking back at the original story:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-01-06-williams-whitehouse_x.htm

While it says that the deal was detailed in documents USA Today got via a FOIA request, I'd assume somebody would have had to tip them off to file such a request.

I'm guessing the answer lies in this paragraph, from the above story:

Williams said he does not recall disclosing the contract to audiences on the air but told colleagues about it when urging them to promote NCLB.

I'd bet one of those colleagues thought the deal stunk, and got word to someone at USA Today. Heck, Williams himself might have told someone at USA Today.

[McCamy Taylor]

43. Wouldn't be a Rove felony. Think, who will the public blame?

The administration which wanted to promote its noble "No Child Left Behind" so that it could help school kids? No way! It will blame the Media, for being a bunch of lying, stealing, greedy bastards.

Karl Rove couldnt have picked a better story. If this was about promoting some legislation that would have put money in the pockets of Halliburton, then the administration would have gotten much more negative press.

[pbartch]

44. Bush Girls are pregnant and they will need to TERMINATE THEIR PREGNANCY

[jsascj]

46. Now that's very

Creative. That would have never entered my mind.

Good work!

[JoMama49]

47. I think widespread, national election fraud totally

uncovered scares the bejessuz out of them! They got so cocky, thought they could pull it off totally unnoticed just like they did in '00 and '02, but a few brave souls spoke up, and a few progressives figured out what they did. Now, he has to pull out all sorts of things to throw the MSM off the trail.

This is why we need to keep investigating. Somewhere there must be a real smoking gun!

[probuddha]

48. I really hope you're right.! n/t

[zann725]

61. I believe we're closer than we think or know.

Keep the faith.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

50. The CIA's report naming names and placing blame for 9/11.

It should have come out pre-election, but they can't keep it sealed forever.

[McCamy Taylor]

51. Will there be a report now that Porter Goss is in Control?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

52. they did it pre-Goss, but he's pissed off so many people...

it ought to turn up.

[goclark]

53. Rove wants to keep Poppy in the Middle Out of The News

When the world realizes that Poppy is the ring leader of this gang that will start to make the yarn untwine.

Poppy is in the middle.

[McCamy Taylor]

54. Did Rove Know Human Rights Watch Would Call for a Special Prosecutor

to Investigate the Prison Abuses in Iraq? That is some pretty nasty news for an administration which has been trying to claim that it went to war in Iraq not because it thought that it had WMD but because it wanted to liberate the Iraqi people.

I mean, if the world is calling us war criminals and demanding that we have Nuremberg Trials it makes * and Rummie and all the rest look like reals turds for their preemptive invasion.

Karl might have felt the need for a bit of media smokescreen for this one.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Democrat Dragon]

55. There was A LOT of effort to keep the CMW from talking about

Election Fraud 2004

but that would only be the second most damaging story, the first is 9/11 MIHOP.

[wakemewhenitsover]

56. Frank Rich's column re. Armstrong Williams in NYT is must read

[zann725]

58. Maybe there's something BIG in Election Fraud thing we don't know about...

YET...but is about to 'break.'

[NationalEnquirer]

65. I dont think anyone outed the guy.

Not from the administration, this situation really makes them look bad, even to LAY people.
I think it was probably some liberal black aquantance of his.

[McCamy Taylor]

68. The two people the MSM keep showing us are both black--him and the

former head of the Dept of Education.

Looks like Karl Rove got a Twofer out of this one. He got a media smokescreen that will not touch * or Rove personally. And he got yet another scandal involving rich, powerful african-american men to delight the redneck kkk sympathizing portion of the GOP base.

[Kota]

66. The 9/11 report that names names comes to mind.

Shrub's health and drinking problem also.

[McCamy Taylor]

70. Conservative Point Man George Will Is on This One

Even though it must bring back unpleasant memories of his own brush with scandal last year, when it was revealed that he was getting a paycheck from Conrad Black when he wrote a love letter about him but forgot to mention that fact in his article.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0102-10.htm

Here is his Washington Post article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5313-200...

I present this as evidence that it was the White House which outed Armstrong Williams. I have been following George Will's articles for a while, and he tends to write about whatever the administration wants the part of America that actually thinks to be talking about. If the White House's mantra is "California is full of pansies and kooks, so you cant take seriously their claims about electrictry price gouging by Enron and Co." George Will writes a three part series about homosexuals, commies and perverts in California.

Looks like Karl Rove and Co. really do want us to be all abuzz about Armstrong Williams, so the order went out to George Will to write this piece, even if it meant that he would be the subject of snickers and scorn from other journalists who have not forgotten. Damn, Karl Rove is brutal, even to his own guys! He must be some kind of sadist!

C-O-N-R-A-D B-L-A-C-K

PS. George Will finally has email now. I am going to send him a two word email. You can guess what the two words are.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

PPS his email is [e-mail]

[McCamy Taylor]

71. AND THE WINNER IS.....(* Is such a Dumb Ass, He Tipped Rove's Hand)

IRAQgate, I kid you Not, * Gave an Interview to Some of the Friendliest of the Friendlies, Reporters from my hometown newspaper the Fort Worth Star Telegram. The article is entitled

BUSH SAYS ELECTION SHOWS SUPPORT FOR IRAQ APPROACH

THat's right boys and girls, the election was stolen not just so * and Co. could keep their jobs. They are going to use that "mandat" he is so proud of as an excuse to avoid an investigation into the lies about WMD, by claiming that the margin of his win shows that Americans are comfortable with the way his administration lied to us to get us into the war and the way the war has been managed since then, including the use of torture.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/10660546.htm

'President Bush said that the public's decision to re-elect him was a ratification of his approach toward Iraq and that there was no reason to hold any administration officials accountable for mistakes or misjudgments in prewar planning or managing the violent aftermath.

"'We had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 elections," Bush said in an interview with The Washington Post.

"'The American people listened to different assessments made about what was taking place in Iraq, and they looked at the two candidates and chose me.'"

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I invite you to look back at the last four months through the eyes of *, deathly afraid that America would hold him accountable for the WMD lies, the Iraqi prison abuse scandals, the meaningless deaths of America GIs, the squandering of our resources, the loss of our allies. Then imagine that Karl Rove says "I can make it all better, strarting with taking down that bitch Mary Mapes at CBS who started this whole thing. I can make sure you are not a one term president like your daddy. I can even give you a 'mandate.' You had better look that up. I can make sure that the press is too busy talking about (racial expletive deleted) starting with that SOS in Ohio to investigate you. All you have to do is sell me your soul."

Would you do it?

Of course not. That's why he is * and you are not.

[fooj]

72. I've got a game to play...how about "ACCOUNTABILITY FOR DUMMIES"

Someone should remind that asshole that 60 million Americans DO EXPECT HIM TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE! God...I wish he'd just leave us alone and go back to shooting BB's at his brothers...the prick!