Sadly, NOBODY on TV is talking about voter fraud...have you noticed?

[glarius]

NOBODY is talking about the fact that some of the voting machines are suspected of being used fraudulently. I have not heard a single word mentioned about this on any of the Sunday morning talk shows! The media has apparently swallowed the story that the exit polls saying Kerry was winning, were wrong!....However they are quoting these same exit polls as the source of the belief that Americans voted for Bush because of moral issues!...UNBELIEVABLE!!

edit....just a thought...Could Kerry and his people be working quietly to expose the fraud, if it happened?

[Not Me]

1. It's driving me nuts!

[liberalnurse]

4. I never expected them to.....

They are a tool of the republican corporate machine; just another department. We no longer have a free press.

[mazzarro]

11. Exactly!

We should not expect them - the media - to be concerneed or talk about it since the media has been instrument in helping shrub* into office in the first place.

[liberalnurse]

17. We need to look for other means of getting out the message.

Even if we protest, they will only seek out the points that make us look "evil and radical", and not the cause. It's a waste of time.

[CAcyclist]

39. Here is my LTTE

Even if they won't talk about, they will probably allow ltte that discuss this. I appended an allusion to fraud at the bottom of my letter and the next email I send will charge outright fraud and discuss what has been found so far. Smaller local papers are most likely to carry the message.

My other idea is to make copies of my lttes on small slips of paper and post them on bulletin boards or put on car windows everywhere I go.

Dear Editor,

Over and over, the mainstream media repeats White House propaganda without critical analysis. In what alternate universe does a 20% minority become a mandate?

This is what is wrong with the corporate media and may actually be the real reason why the Democrats lost. Time after time, errors and outright lies become accepted as fact and mindlessly repeated in the mainstream media. As Mark Leno said, Kerry got the same % of votes in the states with gay-marriage ban initiatives as Gore did 4 years ago.

I am referring to several articles , especially in the SF Chronicle, examining the presidential election which contained the misleading idea that "moral values" was a major cause of Kerry's loss. This idea is derived from a multiple choice exit poll that found that moral values was picked by 20-22 % of voters as the most important value.

Another point, why is this part of the poll repeated as gospel when these same exit polls are dismissed as inaccurate when they show Kerry as the winner in several states(where many machines were unverifiable e-voting machines) that Bush "won"?


Sincerely,
Dani Weber

[Eloriel]

34. Then let's get busy informing people ourselves

Please see this thread:

VOTE FRAUD? Tell everyone you know
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1800

Also see this thread which has some excellent advice which might be a good idea to apply to what links to include (if any):

More Rigor, Please, Use the Strong Evidence!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1774

[BayStateBoy]

42. Yes, I sent the Media the Following Message:

The mainstream news media have been spoon fed a new word by Bush/Rove. That word is "evangelical," and they are babbling it to the exclusion of some very real issues impacting Democracy and the Bush Presidency.

The second Bush/Rove pabulum is the mythical Bush "mandate," also being belched along with the evangelical pill. Meanwhile, no one seems to entertain the possibility that the Bush "mandate" may mostly be an Electoral WMD.

The first message from Election 2004 is that BBV or any voting method not leaving a permanent paper trail that can be audited is undemocratic and un-American. They must be banished from the American landscape forever.

The second message is the history of American voting is both a history of recounts and a history of rigged elections. If there were widespread fraud it occurred in the Bush Family Fiefdom of Florida, which despite the "hurricane votes" Kerry should have won or at least come within a razor thin margin. That Jeb Bush has been "busy" assuring no chad recounts is not the product of conspiracy theorizing, it is just plain common sense.

The third message is that exit polls are always within 2% of voting tallies and no amount of media spin makes election 2004 an exception. Kerry had a 97.7% probability of winning Ohio and a 93.5% probability of winning Florida. Also when was the last time an incumbent President with an approval rating of less than 50% won reelection?

Those who persist in denying the validity of the exit polls need to explain the following: (1) Exit polling statistically correlated with voting tallies in every state except those using BBV or electronic machine combinations. (2) In every case of discrepancy, G.W. Bush was the recipient of extra votes (5%-7%) and NEVER John Kerry. Why?

The fourth message is that no amount of White House or media spin can stop the miasma of stench that is beginning to pervade results in Ohio and Florida. This will linger and foul the second term. Overturning the election is not the issue. Truth is the issue which is something that most journalists and media seem to have abandoned years ago.

And lastly, we have a president already regarded as illegitimate by 1/2 the people who is reelected in an election increasingly tainted with allegations of fraud. To those people he will forever remain illegitimate. Bush may rule 1/2 the country but he can never govern.

[The Flaming Red Head]

2. This media blitz was obviously planned in advance

They knew Kerry wasn't going to be Diebold's choice.

[tinanator]

38. "No problems at the polling booths" universal mantra

before a single vote was boothed I imagine.
Its up to us. Always has been.

[skylarmae]

3. I'm trying not to do the FREAK OUT - I cannot accept this election

and I never will.

[lovedems]

5. I saw a few minute clip with one of the executives of Diebold and it

was how wonderful the machines worked! Yes, despite voter turnout, the machines did a WONDERFUL job!

:puke: :puke: :puke:

I watched OUTFOXED last night so I am even more pissed the usual.

[chicagojoe]

6. To tell you the truth, I think there was a deal and a sellout.

[moosedog]

20. Why did we wait....

I have been doing all that I can possibly do to tell people that their vote would be of no good as long as we go along with the system that they have set up. We are being used to make it look like this country is free and ruled by the will of the people. That, in itself, is a fraud. We are being ruled by the elite thugs, that care nothing about Jesus's teachings. This is my opinion, and thank you for letting me spout it.

[gordianot]

7. Something is rotten in Media Land.

There is also something going on admidst this total blackout. I am waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[asjr]

16. When I saw the lineup for this morning's political shows

I turned off the televison. I had been watching C-Span and was turned off by a very right-wing "Christian" person as a guest. I couldn't listen to him. I will get my news here at DU.

[gordianot]

18. Thanks for the update

I have been pretty much media free for 4 days. "Where have all the Democrats gone?"

Weird, Eerie, spooky isn't it?

[phantom power]

8. I've seen talk about those 3800 votes on TV.

Obviously, that sort of begs to be investigated further, and I don't see that happening. But some of this is getting into the news.

[still_one]

9. Boycott them, and let them know what you are doing

work to get a network that reports news, and does their job started

[liberalnurse]

19. You miss the point.

They are doing "their job" which is not the definition of Free Press and/or investigative journalism. Todays media journalist are employees of a global corporation ....kind of like corporate spokesman now....nothing to do with journalism.

[acmavm]

10. They're cowards hoping to cash in on the theft of the election. When it

starts to effect them personally, maybe one or two might have the guts to mention something, but right now bush* has them running scared. For example, the one question rule. Not one of them is willing to buck the system, they're too afraid.

[mazzarro]

14. No they are not cowards, they are part of the setup.

Do not expect anything different!

[Copperred]

12. JON STEWART & BILL MOYERS

THE MAN TO BREAK THIS STORY IS JON STEWART & BILL MOYERS

[moosedog]

13. Do you think?..

Could the democratic elite be in bed with them, or do they have plans that they can't reveal to the public at large? I think it is one or the other. Kerry's best friend, whom he loved, was killed because of an unjust war. I wonder if he would go along with another unjust government's greedy war.

[underpants]

15. Remain Calm All is WELL!! Quiet down children! It is a time to unite!

You are being counterproductive!

You aren't helping things but throwing a fit!

We don't have time for that now!

Quiet down children!


Got the message yet?

[Mira]

21. Original Message

We need to stay on it like a terrier on a pants leg.
He is not my President.
Mandate my A$$

I will never accept this and lie down

[glarius]

22. What get's me is TV talking heads are acting as if NOBODY questions

the outcome or is asking questions, when we all know that there have been many voices raised in protest and questioning!...By talking heads, I'm referring to Democratic spokespeople as well as TV pundits!.....It's really weird, IMO

[jacksonian]

23. chill everyone

It's Sunday and there will be nothing until next week.

The Hew Hampshire recount will be a story one way or the other. We need to be patient, expecting a news media to throw doubt on a pres election is giving them a power they don't have.

And, for the moment, forget about changing the election to Kerry. That is not going to happen without a miracle and the Repugs are gaming all miracles.

Rewriting history our way is not the point of this - it is about rewriting history with the truth. Remember this - proof of fraud is fraud even if the outcome would not change. They stole, and stealing is wrong.

[gordianot]

28. There are no penalties when you own the jail.

[jacksonian]

32. whatever the effect, we still need truth -nt

[goddess40]

24. the media is the republican's private spin machine

so why would you be surprised? We have to expect that their silence means that we are on to something or that they feel that by ignoring it we will give up and go away.

[WHAT]

25. I love the smell of hope, in the morning...

television is stagnat...

turn it off...

[glarius]

26. For the last almost hour CNN's Reliable Sources has been discussing

how the election was covered...an ideal time to bring up the voting fraud controversy....NOT A WORD WAS MENTIONED!!!!

[tinrobot]

27. Very depressing

I know it was stolen, but NOBODY is listening.

Sometimes it makes me feel like I'm wearing tattered clothes, standing on a street corner and screaming at traffic.

[Individualist]

29. Surely you're not surprised

As of 11/3, I've stopped listening to the media whores cheerleading for the little dictator.

[LisaL]

30. I wouldn't expect nothing less of our media.

:eyes:

[robbedvoter]

31. Palast now on ABC!

[crickets]

46. For those of us who missed it

How long was he on? Who was he talking to? What did he say? How was it received?

[PatsFan2004]

33. Where is CBS when we need them?

[laundry_queen]

35. They're doing the opposite.

They're talking about how SMOOTHLY everything went, the vote went so SMOOTHLY, isn't it great how SMOOOOOOTH it was. NO problems at all, it was so SMOOOOTH.
They know. They've repeated the words 'no problems' and 'smooth' just a few to many times for this jaded person.

[NYC Liberal]

36. I haven't watched ANY news programs

in a long time. I don't plan on starting now either.

[The Flaming Red Head]

37. C-Spam callers were bringing it up

and getting blown off as soon as they disagreed with the prevailing mantra of Christ Good Republican deity, Democrats bad devils, Bush big Christian. Jesus won election for Republicans etc.

[goclark]

40. They need our help, let's roll!

We need to spread the message, NOW!

[EndElectoral]

41. Don't count on the media to do this. I'm dissapointed in the DNC!

Why aren't they canvassing small Florida and Ohio counties that went for Bush? They can certainly canvas Democratic Registered voters such as those in Dixie Florida to find out if in fact they voted for Bush.

I'll bet you'd find those strongly Registered Dem counties did not in fact go for Bush.

[AngryOldDem]

43. While I think it's true that the country did take a hard ideological turn

to the right...it's also true that there was voter fraud on a massive scale this year. And if something isn't done, our brand of government will be a joke and a fraud itself.

What is a bigger threat to democracy? Political ideology is necessary for healthy discussion, but a healthy electoral system is vital to this country's continued existence.

To the media: Cut the time that you're using to obsess over the Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson cases and put it to better use investigating this issue.

[Chili]

44. what about the print media?

...they are the ones who debunked the Swiftboat liars, and they were fairly aggressive about doing it. While they don't hold the same immediate sway as cable news, once they break a story, the networks must follow up, they'll be forced to.

Who at the NYT, WP, Globe, Tribune, LATimes, WSJ can be trusted to investigate? And not only that - local papers, too... the Akron Beacon-Journal is reporting stuff... what about Miami, Tallahassee?

I know Oliphant at the Globe is Kerry's friend. Maybe he can pass it along to an eager investigative reporter.

[Dinger]

45. FSTV Had something Recently

Amy Goodman on Democracy Now