How long this "machine fraud" been going on? Since before 1996.

[Carolab]

http://www.theunjustmedia.com/Vote_fraud_in_america.htm

Read it and weep.

By the way, mail-in ballots such as used in Oregon are no solution.

We need hand-counted paper ballots, just like in the old days!

And the networks and their services, NEP/AP, have got to stop "tallying the votes" and calling the election results for us.

[ROC]

1. Paper ballots?

I grew up hearing about paper ballots and how great they were - Ballot Box 13, Chicago Daly machine and lots of others. I don't think they offer anything more than a well run electronic system

[genieroze]

3. You mean a well rigged electronic system of corruption?

With no paper trails and no way to verify the vote? I don't think so.

[Carolab]

4. Read the article.

The "electronic manipulation" has existed for some time.

[genieroze]

6. I did and I'm pissed, this crap needs to stop.

We need to have faith in our voting system, this is true for Republicans as well as Democrats. I'm positive in my heart Bush stole this and the 2000 election but how many others were stolen? How many Democrats were robbed, how many Republicans and other parties were robbed? Did Reagan really win against Mondale? Did Clinton really beat Bush Sr? Looking at their popularity I would say yes but there is this nagging feeling now that maybe they didn't.

[understandinglife]

2. When it comes to voting, I am a paper-freak

For many things, like exchanges of views here, the net & computers are invaluable, in fact, essential.

But, for voting; paper all the way along with lots and lots of humans counting, watching, filming, broadcasting the entire tallying process.

My view is simple.

Paper registration. Paper poll books. Paper ballots. Humans look at the paper ballots and record on paper the votes. All votes are tabulated, on paper, by each County and then by each State. All paper records for any "National" position -- executive or legislative -- are archived by the National Library of Congress.

The cost is trivial. How much does a 500 lb. 'smart bomb' that kills an entire family in Iraq compare to whatever it costs to print ballots; hire nonpartisan vote counters; pay room and board for independent, international observers; and, pay the lease expense for a Library of Congress supervised storage facility that maintains, indefinitely, the full record of how each citizen participated in the American franchise of democracy.

Paper all the way. People at every stage. Multiple, independent observers. Whatever the cost, it is the most important investment of any tax dollar; it's the cost of knowing, unambiguously, that the government we elect is the government that we will hold accountable.

Anything less means "We The People" most definitely did not meet OUR responsibility for ensuring "A More Perfect Union."

Peace.

"Bush Owns It: Let's Purge It" -- NOW (and, wishing everyone the blackest of black-20Jan)

[BeFree]

5. Paper Ballots all the way for federal offices

Back to the Future!

Really, for the cost of one 500# bomb.....

[shraby]

7. Paper and pen are a lot cheaper than those

infernal voting machines. Those machines cost millions of dollars and don't even do the job.

[RevCheesehead]

8. It ain't the vote - it's the counting.

I would rather put my faith on the "blue-haired brigade" at each precinct to count the votes (They'll count it 3 times to make sure it is right). Paper ballots, with clear instructions to determine the voter's intent. Get the count notarized, and telephone in the results. The ballots are then sealed in an envelope with the notarized affidavit, and signed by each precinct worker. The phoned-in results are the unofficial count. The votes are certified when the envelopes are opened, at the State Elections Board.

[Carolab]

9. Clearly that's what we need.

The electronic vote tabulation is EXPRESSLY designed for fraud.