Back from Ireland and Holland - What did I miss?

[organik]

I need to update my 2004electiontheft.com site with the best stories to come out in the last two weeks, as I've been away and haven't had internet access.

About my trip:
I could not find a single person, friend or stranger, who didn't agree that this election was probably stolen, sadly enough though, they knew nothing of the irregularities that occurred this election. They ALL however believed the 2000 election was stolen, without a doubt.

Seems the international media, at least in Holland and Ireland, has not been reporting the massive fraud. I had no problem convincing everyone I met that the election was stolen - they figured it probably would be. Another interesting thing I noticed is that the average person on the street knew MUCH more about US politics than the average American.

I really have lost all faith in the MSM. Not surprising that those most informed about the fraud get most of their info from the net.

Anyway - I can say the world HATES Bush. I know you've seen the polls about this, but I got to speak with people and get first hand accounts of what they thought. I defended Americans, but not America - saying the reason so many did vote for Bush was because of the corporate media. Nobody disagreed with that statement.

Anyway, I need links to the very best election stories of the last two weeks to update my site, if anyone cared to help. Thanks!

http://2004electiontheft.com

[helderheid]

1. I don't get

why Holland isn't reporting. It's extremely confusing and disappointing. My sister-in-law and her boyfriend visited us from Holland this holiday. By the time they left, they were convinced 2004 was stolen. They were flabbergasted that US corporate media is controlled by basically 6 people. I am beginning to wonder if we have a world media.

[DemExpat]

3. I saw "niets" (nothing) on voter fraud here in Holland...

maybe I missed a documentary, but the main news reported nothing aobut it imo..

DemEx

[neweurope]

5. There hasn't been much reporting on fraud in Germany, either.

Just a little with the explanation "conspiration theory". One reason - probably the main reason - might be that the news agencies the German newspapers use are mainly American (cheap). I used to be a journalist. AP wasn't all that good then but I shudder to think what it is now. Leave it to the French! Chirac has suggested a European news agency supported by tax money - saying that we need to balance the US media. I hope they'll do it!


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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[southwood]

12. Dutch reporting on this issue ...

is so far non-existent. The networks only have a handful of correspondents in the U.S., in no way able of doing independent investigations themselves. So until the NYT or WaPo start doing some uncovering or reporting, Dutch or Europeans more in general will not hear about this issue (except the Danish!).
Also, on November 2 a well-known Dutch filmmaker was killed by a home-grown Islamic fundamentalist, which shook up this extremely pacified little country pretty bad. Meaning that there has been little attention in the media for anything else lately.
As for myself, I knew something was amiss on Nov. 3, and starting looking for information. For a short time Solarbus and BBV.org was the only thing I could find, but after a few days I found DU. But somehow I get the feeling that DemExpat and me are the only 2 people among 16 million in the Netherlands aware of this issue. Or is there anyone else out there?

[helderheid]

13. welll

I did inform my Dutch in-laws and I posted here:

http://vpro.react.nl/programma/tegenlicht/forum/list_messages/797

and I just checked and someone else has posted this:

http://vpro.react.nl/programma/tegenlicht/forum/list_messages/839

[helderheid]

14. Actually

If you can type Dutch, why not go there and keep the discussions going as well?

[southwood]

15. At least there is three of us here...

... on the board of the VPRO network there is another Dutchman/-woman apparently reading DU. Inspired by your unending optimism and enthousiasm I'll try posting there tomorrow! (signing off for tonight, 2.00 a.m. here)

[helderheid]

16. Bedankt!

Just so you know, ik ben beide helderheid en clarity want ik kan niet meer posten met helderheid (ik weet niet waarom!) so there is just 2 of us on the board but glad you'll make it 3! I also posted on another board talking about US politics - gotta find which one. I've forgotten. :)

Tot ziens!

[helderheid]

17. just a reminder now that it's

6 pm in Holland that it's time to get on the Tegenlicht forum and any other omroep.nl forum :)

[southwood]

18. Clarity...

... I figured out that clarity and helderheid would both be you, but "Blazer" would be #3, no?

[helderheid]

19. yep

You got it. :) Duh, I should have figured you'd know helderheid and clarity were one and the same (and me). :) Heheheh!

[southwood]

20. I'm having trouble ...

...registering with VPRO. Hoping for better luck tomorrow. de Volkskrant (newspaper) did away with its "forum online" altogether (as of Jan 1).

[helderheid]

22. I went here to register:

http://vpro.react.nl/programma/tegenlicht/forum/create_user

Hope that helps!

[helderheid]

27. This goes to you too, Demo Dutch

http://vpro.react.nl/programma/tegenlicht/forum/create_user

Click above to create a profile on the tegenlicht forum and please help keep the conversation up there - perhaps that show would be willing to tackle this subject. They've tackled extremely controversial subjects in past. By the way, does anyone know what station Tegenlicht is on?

[southwood]

28. It's on VPRO television. nt.

[helderheid]

29. good!

I was hoping it was available to everyone there. REAL investigative journalism!!

[southwood]

30. Here is something for you...

... apparently the correspondent for NRC-Handelsblad (newspaper) writes a blog. Also check the archives for previous months. He has been following the entire story (but never writing about it in the printed paper). Discusses Ohio, Will Pitt, DU, Jan. 6 and so on.

http://weblog.nrc.nl/index.php?user_id=5

Hope the link works. (Still can't get the tegenlicht thing to work, but I don't think anyone reads it. Giving up. Sorry!)

[helderheid]

31. GEWELDIG!!!

Wonderful and THANK YOU!

[helderheid]

33. we still need you!

We hebben jullie nog steeds nodig, hoor!

http://vpro.react.nl/programma/tegenlicht/forum/list_topics/9

[demo dutch]

25. Er stond een stukje in de Trouw about the Boxer rebellion. That

was about it though.

This is the link
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuwsenachtergronden/artikelen/1104992653939.html

Hellaas NOS is ignoring all of this just like the MSM in the US

[helderheid]

32. I'd seen this one before

I didn't realize it was part of a series. Thanks for the heads up!

[TwentyFive]

2. The CIA can kill anybody - and you know Poppy used to be head of the CIA

If any major public figure or media outlet started investigating voter fraud, they would encounter some kind of plane crash...or some other unfortunate act of bad luck.

[helderheid]

4. that sounds about right

[mahina]

6. While I can't argue with your point, beware paranoia.

My old organizing professor said two great things that really have helped in the struggle of the last few years.
One is, in an action, you focus on one thing. You are there to do one thing. Don't get distracted, it is a way to pull you off course.
And the other is, beware of paranoid people. Reasonable caution is one thing, and again, you are not wrong! But don't give your power away.
Working for peace!

[mahina]

7. What were the best parts of your Ireland trip?

We are planning a short one coming up. Thanks.

Oh to answer your question, best election stories?
my favorite is in Mother Jone's latest edition, "ONWARD
Krist Novoselic from Nirvanna , smells like Governance
http://www.motherjones.com/arts/qa/2005/01/12_100.html

[myschkin]

8. go to

http://election.solarbus.org

media failed strongly, also here in middle-europe - a) because they don´t want to go out on a limb b) because they are ignorant, mainstream-orientated, opportunistic

they just write what the press agencies write or what´s in the news in u.s. - but they have no moral position. they wrote NOTHING about conyers, the hearings, jesse jackson and so on - although I mailed them all these informations.

not only the us media are bad - that´s my unpleasant surprise.

please help us here:

http://www.1-2-free-forums.com/mf/index.php?mforum=mtf

(media task force)

[troubleinwinter]

9. This was JUST posted on a thread... a whole collection of sites

http://www.oilempire.us/stolenelection2004.html#bestwebsites

[berniew1]

10. Vote machine fraud has been documented in many states

Florida, Ohio, New Mexico http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
Texas(Austin,Houston,SanAntonio) http://www.flcv.com/texas.html
Pennsylvania http://www.flcv.com/mercerco.html
Washington http://www.flcv.com/snohomis.html
California http://www.flcv.com/orangets.html
New Mexico http://www.flcv.com/bernalil.html
North Carolina, Wisconsin, Indiana, Texas, etc.
(default straight ticket Dem to Bush)

[berniew1]

11. There was also widespread dirty tricks & suppression to reduce minority vo

votes; also lots of malfeasance by officials

http://www.flcv.com/dirtytrf.html
http://www.flcv.com/EIRSFLa2.html
http://northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm
http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexicoGeneralElection.pdf

see the big DU thread on Regestration fraud; signing up Dems and throwing their cards away.
http://www.flcv.com/cuyahovs.html
http://www.flcv.com/cuyahopb.html
http://www.flcv.com/mercerco.html
http://www.flcv.com/neworlea.html

[organik]

21. I think I'm done

with this country. It's all good and well that people are fighting...but to truly change this POS election system, and the political system in general, is simply a mind boggling amount of work.

It's the media! Until these conglomerates are broken up we don't have a chance in hell. Nobody in their right mind should vote against their own interests, yet millions do - even excluding the fraud. Why? Because they don't know any better. Why? THE MEDIA has BRAINWASHED THEM!

I think it may be time to give up - a mass exodus. Let's all head for Canada and push them further to the left! Or, pretty much anywhere in europe has media that questions the govt. and corporations. Must be nice.

I guess I'm just frustrated. I'm 31, been alive through so many shit presidents. Squandered my vote on Nader, then on Kerry - who I don't think ever wanted to be president...but that's another story.

I think the man that really should have been the dem candidate, and elected...is Kucinich! If the media had done their jobs I think most dems would agree.

Blech...I just can't get the bad taste of America out of my mouth after being away for a couple weeks. Things were different..people informed...etc.

[helderheid]

23. Love Kucinich and yes it's the media

It's the media the media the media!

And you may be right - this beast may be too big to slay, and there are times I fear for anyone who fights it.

[demo dutch]

24. Talked to friends in Holland, they had not heared much about

the stuff in Ohio, however there was some reporting about the Boxer rebellion. The mean feedback was, that they hope that their news will show lots on protests on 20 Janth. And yes they all HATE Bush!

[helderheid]

26. I hadn't considered that

I am counting on them to show the protests!! Let's hope that for those who are carrying signs that the words FRAUD and UKRAINE are really big.