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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:27 PM
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Empathy Training for Conservatives:Why Dems Still Whining about Election
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 08:30 PM by Amaryllis
This is without a doubt the BEST article I have read on election fraud, written by a conservative republican who is a computer security expert.

Empathy Training for Compassionate Conservatives: Why the Democrats Are Still Whining About the Election (and Why Maybe We Should Be, Too)

Chuck Herrin, CISSP, CISA, MCSE, CEH

American, Voter, Republican – In That Order

www.chuckherrin.com

Author's note: **As of right now, 11-23-2004, there is no conclusive evidence that massive voter fraud took place, but there is overwhelming evidence that the weaknesses in our voting system could have allowed it. I hope it didn't happen, but the simple fact is that whether it did or not, our election systems, particularly those using DREs, appear to have been designed specifically to allow fraud, rather than prevent it. Who put these systems in place, and what is the real current state of e-voting? Read on, gentle surfer, and I'll do my best to tell you.**

I was talking to a dear friend of mine yesterday, and he asked me what I had been up to.
"This voting machine security thing" I told him. "It looks really bad. I can't believe how insecure these systems are and how easy they would be to Hack."

He chuckled and said to me, very sincerely, "Well, just as long as they go Republican, right? Heh, heh."

There was an awkward moment of silence as I processed that. Now, this is no raving Neo-Conservative that I'm talking to here. I love him, but he probably couldn't pick Karl Rove out of an Evil Genius Lineup with Dr. Evil, Max Scorpio, and that Steve guy from the Linux cartoon (www.ubergeek.tv/switchlinux). I'm visualizing it now - "Suspect number 3, please turn to the right and say 'Mwuahh-haa-haa.....'"

Actually, this is a guy I've known for almost 15 years, a college buddy and fraternity brother who I have leaned against on many drunken and interesting nights, and is one of the very few people in the world I trust explicitly. I took a few seconds to let what he said sink in, and then I warily replied, "Actually, that's kind of the problem. So far, all the vote fraud analysis that's been done indicates that it benefited us 100% of the time."

He replied, "Yeah? Huh. Go figure. Hey, can you make it to the Tampa Bay / Panthers game next weekend? Kevin's coming up from Florida, and we're tailgating!"

I mumbled something about trying to be there and hung up, half-stunned and half-depressed. Now keep in mind, this really is a stand-up guy, who I know was raised in the church and who has been known to speak (at great length) on Moral and Religious topics to whoever would listen, whenever the urge struck him. Coors Light was often involved in bringing about these "sermons" from high atop Mount Barstool, but he still made some good points, which is why his offhand response surprised me so much.

I guess in hindsight, I really shouldn't be that surprised. I have been involved in analysis of our nationwide voting systems for only a relatively short while now, but I have noticed a strong, consistent partisanship entering the discussions wherever the topic is raised. Now, I have always been a Republican and consider myself a reasonably bright person, but what I can't understand is the differences in the answer to what I think is a very simple question:

"If voter fraud is committed on behalf of your party, does the fact that your party benefited from it make it OK?"

Now, to me, the ends clearly don't justify the means. But as I talk to other Republicans, I am finding that there is a clear and strong resistance to looking into the issue of whether or not our voting system has any integrity. For the most part, we're either simply not convinced that there is a problem or we simply choose to ignore it since the "problem" seems to work to our benefit. I'm not sure how many of them have ever played much chess, but it's clear that a whole lot of people aren't even looking 1, much less 2 moves ahead. What happens when the results of a corrupt voting system DON'T go your way? What's going to happen when your side DOESN'T win? Will you be able to put the fact that our system is so easily manipulated behind you and just "get over it"?

As an American Voter, charged with the solemn duty of electing the most powerful leaders in history, SHOULD you be able to?

Some other people are less disinterested and are more focused on actively attempting to discredit those who are concerned about the huge weaknesses in our Voting Infrastructure. For the life of me, I just CANNOT figure out why ANY Honest person would resist efforts to ensure that our voting system is secure and provides vote integrity.

Now as for a DIShonest person, that's another matter. I can figure THAT out just fine. More on that later.

We all know from our life experiences that the mixed blessing of being part of a Democracy means that everyone is supposed to have a voice. Those of us who have sat through those uncomfortable (ugghhh) Thanksgiving dinner political discussions know that sometimes everyone having a voice can be a pain, but we also know that the alternatives are all much, much worse. These alternatives have been tried by others, remember? Weren't we Republicans slightly involved in bringing down the Berlin Wall? Aren't we such big believers in Democracy that we are sending our kids to die in foreign countries just so those Foreigners can be Democratic and have a voice, too?

More, and well worth reading. It only gets better:
http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:43 PM
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1. If 100% of the voter mishaps went to Kerry, and Kerry won, how do
you predict the Right-wingers would respond?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:53 PM
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2. oh kinda like this
:mad: :mad: nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

:phalanxes of lawyers: :phalanxes of lawyers:
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 06:41 PM
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9. He lays out how they would respond in the rest ot the article which I
couldn't post since it's copyrighted. Did you read the rest? He does a great job of putting the shoe on the other foot.
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Starone Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:00 PM
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3. Perfect info for Repug friends & family
A great article....like you said, "well worth reading." If we're not sure how to get Repugs on board this might be one step. Herrin shows he can step in another's shoes and despite his party affiliation understands what is at risk for ALL of us! Thanks!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 11:35 PM
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10. I have a friend who is a stauch repub. I have talked to her about the
issues with e-voting and tabulating.She is concerned about it but can't believe her beloved republicans would indulge in such behavior. This is the first thing I have felt would be good to give to her. I told her the Dems have been involved in electtion fraud in the past, and it isn't a partisan issue, but she watches Faux and just can't believe such a vile thing of George and Co.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:08 PM
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4. Just sent the whole article to a
couple republicans I know...

I also thanked him for the piece and by the way... as I have told local BBV folks this is not about Kerry, but my precious vote...
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:10 PM
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5. Gives me hope
that the bi-partisan nature of this effort to DEAL with these destructive election issues can be understood by some Republicans. I have heard of a few who have come around and are starting to get it. Those are the ones who might have a shred of integrity left.

Kenneth Blackwell was invited to speak at a country club in Ohio on "Ethics in Leadership," recently. Maybe they'd like to get Chuck Herrin for their next presentation?
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:06 PM
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6. We are NOT whining, we ARE complaining and protesting...
the definition of whine is "to complain in a childish fashion." Our complaints are legitimate and to present them in the way people have presented them is not childish.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 04:07 PM
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8. His point was that what appears to be whining to those to whom he is
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 04:14 PM by Amaryllis
addressing the article is in reality not whining at all; that in fact, those who appear to be whining have a lot to be outraged about and if the shoe were on the other foot, the republicans would be outraged as well, and not only that, they SHOULD be outraged because this issue affects the very fabric of our democracy (or democratic republic or whatever you want to call it).
You may have to read more than what I posted to get that. It's copyrighted so I couldn't post it all.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:25 PM
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7. Thank you for posting this.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 11:47 PM
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11. Thanks. I will add it to my election reform page :^)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:51 AM
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12. Be sure to leave a note of thanks on his comments page!
Here's my message to Chuck:

"Your article "Empathy Training for Compassionate Conservatives" is one of the finest apologetics I have read on election fraud. Thank you for standing up for what you believe to be true. This Democrat is grateful that you care more for your country and the integrity of the election system than you do about partisan politics."

And thank you, Amaryllis, for posting this article!
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 03:25 AM
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13. Excellent. Thank you for posting.
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