Question re: Florida, Which I Believe is Fraud Ground Zero

[BayStateBoy]

Of the counties that used electronic voting, what percentage if any left a paper trail?

In short, in how many counties do we have a permanent voting record?

I'm not saying fraud didn't happen in Ohio, just that winning Ohio was a real stretch for Kerry given the Bible belting crazies. He should have won Florida or lost by razor thin margin.Also, that is where Brother Jeb has been scheming for the past 4 years.

[hedda_foil]

1. The ones where the vote appears rigged all have paper trails!

We seem to have made the touch screen counties too hot to handle!

[louis-t]

3. Funny, I thought the opposite.

The counties with no paper trails appear to be rigged.

[KC21304]

8. That is what some graph going around says.

But even the graph is wrong on who has paper trails. I have been trying to get this message out for two days but no one seems to be listening. We can't be pushing info just because it suits our case, if that info is wrong. WISCONSIN does have a paper trail. I shoved that large paper trail through the scanner so I know.

Now someone is saying New Hampshire exit polls are way wide of actual and they also have a paper trail. Well, which is it ? Is it the paper trail states which have large difference in exit and actual or is it the non paper trails?

I want to find the fraud if its there, and I think there has been some, but we can't be screwing with the data just to make our point.

I saw a post from Rawstory who said the discrepancies in Fla as to expected and actual that seemed to be flipped are not so on close inspection because they are about the same results as 2000. Evidently there are a large number of people voting repub who are still registered Dems. I guess like Zell Miller they want to meet their Dem loved ones in the hereafter as Democrats.


I believe the final exit poll from Fla showed only a one point lead for Kerry so it is possible it wasn't stolen, but if we are going to be taken seriously we have to have accurate info.

[madfloridian]

6. I don't count optical scans as paper trails.

Because they can be refigured once in the computer. How would we know it then because they are assumed to be safe and would not be recounted.

[karlrschneider]

9. I don't get your point...we use op scan ballots here in OK and it looks

to me like that is the -ultimate- 'paper trail-...a piece of paper physically marked up by the voter. Sure, they can be mis-counted, but
absolutely can be hand counted. (Where did the quotation marks come from in the subj line???......I didn't put them there) :wtf:

[louis-t]

2. I have saved the results from Florida. You might find this interesting.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

[jcv1]

4. bad link

try another link

[louis-t]

11. The link is fine.

I have no trouble with it.

[demosincebirth]

10. There is something wrong...

and should be investigated!

[Eloriel]

5. Take a look at this too

I think FL op-scan tabulators were hacked - not touch-screens (GRAPHS)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x28397

[Old and In the Way]

7. Most likely is......we need to validate the results, IMHO.

Democrats need a parallel strategy: contest the results and canvass the electorate. I posted this earlier-

Democrats have to do something very important in the next year, I think.

(1) Conduct a mass canvassing of the Democratic base in every state and every precinct. Ask these questions, in the framework of a written affidavit to give it legal standing:

a) Who did you vote for?
b) Why did you vote for him?
c) What are your 3 most important issues?

(2) Provide the same opportunity for every Republican who wishes to make his voice known the same opportunity.

Call it Project Democracy.

Lets count our own votes.........

[blurp]

12. Hillsborough county has touch screens with paper trails

That's what I voted on.