Not to be a wet blanket,

[Donkeyboy75]

but I see a lot of threads showing there is a true statistical difference between exit polling and actual voting results in key states. That's a good piece of information, but there are two problems:

1) It doesn't prove fraud. At all. We would need concrete evidence of fraud.

2) Stating that something is fishy requires that sampling of voters was perfectly random. A bias in the sampling technique could cause an error in the result. Has anyone looked into this?

[trotsky]

1. As far as #2 goes,

if there were sampling problems with the exit polls, why, in EVERY case where the polls were wrong by more than the margin of error, was the error in Kerry's favor while the vote tally went to Bush?

I know, again, circumstantial.

[Donkeyboy75]

4. Again, I'm not privy to sampling methods,

but if they oversampled in urban areas, or somehow oversampled at a time of day when Democrats were more likely to vote, this could account for the anomaly. Margin of error calculations can't and don't take those factors into account.

I'm not saying that fraud certainly didn't happen. But after Kerry's concession we'll need considerable intellectual capital to launch an investigation.

[VoteJohn04_com]

9. ..

FRAUD DID HAPPEN -- & I believe we will find that
"considerable intellectual capital"

We can't have another 2000--but we CAN still challenge
the results with PROOF!


Steal My Vote tee available here

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. >>We would need concrete evidence of fraud

How much lime and aggregate would you like with that concrete?? Witness the details of the election in Georgia... then use your imagination.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO407A.html
Bev Harris, author of Black box voting: Ballot-tampering in the 21st Century (available at www.blackboxvoting.org ), found a trove of Diebold program files on the web. One of the folders was called "rob.georgia."

Bev Harris burned all the information on 7 CD’s. As a result of her new knowledge, she was able to gain back door access and successfully change vote totals if she so desired and erase any audit trail of her actions.

She also found that Diebold’s GEMS central server could "create minus votes." Diebold Spokesman David Bear also told Vanity Fair: "Yes, negative votes can be entered into GEMS." (11) Now, why would a computer program designed to add up the vote want to take away anybody’s democratic vote? One possible answer is to fix an election.

www.blackboxvoting.org <------ Watch the movie... then decide what probably happened "again".

[Donkeyboy75]

5. LOL. Like the first line.

We need evidence that someone tampered with the votes. By concrete, I simply mean the ability to tie a person or corporation to the crime. I've seen before what you posted above. While compelling, I personally think it could be considered circumstantial.

[redsoxliberal]

3. that's why were going for recounts

if we are correct, they will certainly show it.

[TaleWgnDg]

6. Yes, there's an interview w/ Warren Mitofsky, co-director of . . .

the National Election Pool, which supplied the early exit polls in the presidential election that turned out to be so inaccurate.

Jim Lehrer's NewsHour featured Mitofsky on Friday, November 5, 2004. Unfortunately, I cannot find a written transcript or video of the interview but only this audio of it:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/newshour_index.html
(scroll down to "What Went Wrong")

edited to include audio url at: http://audio.pbs.org:8080/ramgen/newshour/expansion/2004/11/05/polls28.rm?altplay=polls28.rm

[Donkeyboy75]

7. Hey, I'll check it out.

Thanks. :hi:

[TaleWgnDg]

8. welcome . . . n/t