Better Late Than Never! Ted Koppel Covering Ohio Election Fraud Tonight!

[JoMama49]

Nightline <[e-mail]> wrote:
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Subject: Nightline Tonight Wed., January 19, 2005
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:37:46 -0800

VOTE 2004: FAIR OR FRAUD?

Jan. 19, 2005

In this very partisan atmosphere, it may not surprise you to hear that there are some people out there who believe the winner of the 2004 U.S. presidential race was John Kerry -- that he should be the focus of the extravagant inaugural parade that will make its way up Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House tomorrow. These very vocal critics believe that because of voting irregularities in Ohio on Election Day, George Bush actually lost the election. Some go even further to say that the Republicans conspired to steal it. Washington has been dressed up once again for the festivities, so it seems a little late, but tonight we'll listen to the arguments and see if they have any merit.

If there had been more voting machines and less partisan oversight of the voting in Ohio, John Kerry would have carried the state, and had the electoral votes to carry the election. That's what some people think. Many of these arguments need to be looked at in the context of the vote in 2000, which also had serious problems and where partisan politics did play a role. It ended up in the Supreme Court and there are still people who believe Al Gore won it fair and square. But do the irregularities in Ohio rise to the same level? Or are we being subjected to much more concentrated criticism because of that anonymous engine of information called the Internet?

Part of the problem surrounding the various arguments about what happened in Ohio (and other states) is that those exit polls threw people off once again. By early afternoon on Election Day the poll results were being leaked very early on, showing that John Kerry was in the winner's column. Those results were turned upside down later by the actual results. But those early results had a lot of people convinced. "Nightline" correspondent Chris Bury, who was in Ohio on Election Day, sorts through all of this to see if any of the arguments that George Bush lost have any merit.

And what about some of the political shenanigans in past presidential elections? There are many great stories about the way political machines used to operate and who got paid to make them run. Ted Koppel will chat with two entertaining Washington watchers who will gingerly remove those political skeletons from the closet, just for some perspective.

We hope you'll join us.

Gerry Holmes & The Nightline Staff
Senior Producer
Washington Bureau

[fertilizeonarbusto]

1. Remember, folks

When Nixon was inaugurated in 1973, Watergate was thought to be a dead story that had run out its course.

[TruthIsAll]

18. TALK ABOUT THIS, KOPPEL: 303 MILLION TO 1.

NEP 11/04
13,047 respondents,
randomly selected,
1.0% MOE


               HORIZONTAL		WEIGHTED		
PARTY ID	
     MIX	Bush	Kerry	Nader	Bush	Kerry	Nader
Dem 	38%	9%	90%	1%	3.4%	34.2%	0.4%
Rep 	35%	92%	7%	0%	32.2%	2.5%	0.0%
Ind	27%	45%	52%	2%	12.2%	14.0%	0.5%
	100%				47.77%	50.69%	0.92%
				
Probability: Poll(47.77%) to vote (50.73%): 0.00000000329447

         ********* 1 in 303,538,508 ************

Prob = 1 - NORMDIST (.5073,.4777, .01/1.96, TRUE)

[tuvor]

2. I guess it's safe for the liberal media to talk about it now.

And the inauguration's tomorrow. How's that for timing?

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. Timing is everything when is comes to the

"Liberal Media" covering bu$hCo's a$$.

[lachattefolle]

3. It's too late. Damn the MSM whores for helping * to the podium tomorrow.

[Borgnine]

4. Why do I feel they're going to try and discredit the issue with this?

Maybe it's me being a pessimist for being bitten one too many times by the media snake, but I can't see this being fairly reported.

[Carolab]

12. Yeah and who is Chris Bury (the name is ominous)?

Is he going to "bury" the truth?

Who is he interviewing? Are any of the attorneys and experts and Cobb or people from his team on? Are there any of the people who documented the suppression? Will they be talking to Freeman or Baiman or Simon about the polls?

I doubt it.

[IndyPriest]

34. Koppel's chief sub. Sometimes the reporter.

Pronouced "bee-yer-ee."

[rehema]

51. Sounds like a rethug spin to me n/t

[ohioliberal]

5. I'm glad that it's better late than never

but, Nightline is on at what time! Who is up that late?

[proudbluestater]

6. All the Rethugs will be out partying, so no worries.

Jesus H. Christ, do we have to now worry about covering REAL news and getting a backlash for doing so? Corporate Media is dead to me.

[MissWaverly]

13. why now

Could it me the main stream news realizes that those no good liberals
are a necessary part of their "base." The NYT readership is down 25%, and many individuals like myself have stopped supporting the MSM
since the "virtual" election on November 2nd. I have heard that there are 58 million new bloggers since November. Wonder why! I's sure they could buy a lot of those shiny cars that they advertise during their news broadcasts. Maybe, just maybe, they'll quit printing propaganda if their cash flow goes down enough.

[sepia_steel]

7. Please check your PM, JoMama n/t

[Hugin]

8. Ah... Yeah!

Gotta pound one more nail in that there coffin...

Damned zombies keep climbing out!

*POUND* *POUND*

Soon's I'm done with 'dis...

Gotsta go nail shut the closet I keeps the skeltons in.

[Hugin]

19. Dadgum skeltons...

*POUND* *POUND*

Mebbe now youz'ns will be stay'n in
them thair closet. Th' missus don't like it that you
be wander'n about.

Oh... Yeah. This is hard work'n.

Last thin' on muh list is to beat that there
dead hoss with this here shovel.

*WHACK* *WHACK*

[Hugin]

20. Prag acts out tonight's Nightline for the benefit of those without TVs.

It's a public service. ;)

Prag: Converting grass roots to grassy knolls for 40 years.

[judy]

9. Don't get your hopes up...

Ted has even covered September 11th Official Story oddities...

What he does is take a subject that sounds like it might be harmful to the Junta, pretend to investigate and look into it, and in the end, debunk everything saying "well, we looked into it, and it just doesn't hold water".

I may be wrong about this one, but I have seen him do it many times including lack of WMD's etc. (that one blamed the CIA...)

[Carolab]

17. I watched him give a speech at a school of Journalism on C-Span.

It was very recent. He said that the media try to give us content but we don't want content. He said, if you demand content, if content is what you'll watch, we'll give you content "'til the cows come home".

[papau]

10. The game will be Daley in Chicago was much worse - plus big

City Dems always cheat

and those poor GOPers are being yelled at for almost nothing.

The Ted will "gingerly remove those political skeletons from the closet" is the give away.

I'll pass on this latest piece of shit from mainstream media.

[BR_Parkway]

15. And probably more time spent on Rossi's claims of fraud n/t

[demodonkey]

11. In the words of Han Solo... I have a bad feeling about this.

OK everybody, be prepared to look like a huge bunch of

:tinfoilhat:

folks!


Might be even be payback time to Boxer for having the guts to stand up on January 6 AND yesterday.


Let's hope I am proven wrong.

[tandem5]

50. yeah I know... I have that feeling too nt

[meganmonkey]

14. Is this worth staying up for? I am TV ignorant...

My boyfriend just dug out the bunny ears for football last Sunday, so in theory I could watch this, but it is on at 11:30. Is it worth staying up past bedtime? I know very little about the show and Koppel...?

Advice?

[IndyPriest]

37. "Nightline" can be very good, and sometimes not.

Koppel and staff really try to play fair. But often, they adopt the all-too-typical tactic of presenting two "talking heads" who have opposing views. So it can become "he said", "she said." So a lot is going to depend on who talks in favor of examining the election fraud.

In short: it'd probably be worth taping.

[meganmonkey]

40. Thanks, IndyPriest!!

:hi:

[BigBearJohn]

16. Thanks for the heads-up; I'll be watching.

[CoffeeCat]

21. Maybe I'm Pollyanna on acid, but...

...I see this as a very positive move.

The fact that this issue is being covered *at all* and *by "Nightline"* is a home run for our side.

Covering Ohio election fraud gives the issue credibility.

Yes, "Nightline" will present both sides, but the entire show is about those who think that Kerry won and the fraud that brings people to these conclusions.

My husband said to me, regarding the "Swift Boat" jerks--that we immediately lost the argument when "Nightline" and other MSM allowed that trash on air--because the coverage elevated those buffoons to a legitimate level.

I believe that this coverage elevates the Ohio election fraud issue to a legitimate level.

I am cautiously optimistic though. I see no mention of Conyers, Arnbeck or others. It would be a crime to omit them.

Interesting that "Nightline" would do this piece on the eve of the inauguration. Either they're trumping Bush and sticking a thorn in his presidency by communicating, "There are serious issues with the legitimacy of this president," OR "Nightline" will propagate, "Let's put this nonsense to bed once and for all, and get on with the business of Bush being our legitimate president."

I guess we'll see.

I'm encouraged by the recent "Nightline" stories. Monday's heartbreaking piece on seven soldiers killed in action was honest and just. It was a scathing, emotional piece, which tore apart our Iraq strategy.

Let's hope that "Nightline" will engage in legitimate journalism tonight.

I'll be Tivo-ing this baby!

[icehenge]

22. Wahoo,...

Well I do hope the topic is covered fairly.
At least it is getting air time, and more
people will be aware regardless of what
has happend.

[ottozen]

24. It was the year 1555 when

NOSTRADAMUS foresaw the events of November 2, 2004 through ...?

In his words as translated by Henry C. Roberts

The false message, by a fraudulent
election,
Shall be stopped from going about the town,
Voices shall be bought, and a
chapel tinted with blood,
By another, who contests the rule.

Century VII quatrain 20

Go figure?

"Voices shall be bought"; what a summary!
"a chapel tinted with blood"; a bloody mess indeed!

[Hugin]

25. My theory is...

It's to get back in good graces with Sinclair Broadcasting.

Of course, it's going to be anti-election reform and democrat
bashing. It's on inauguration eve.

[Hugin]

42. Then of course...

I've never forgiven Nightline in it's "October Surprise"
role during Jimmy's second term bid.

In that one the main players were...

The Reganauts - Same as now.
The Iranians - Same as now.
Nightline - Same as now.

Anyone else see a pattern forming?

[Donailin]

26. Dang.

I hope the Koppel coverage is "fair and square"

[Bill Bored]

27. Email Ted Koppel NOW!

Let's Email Ted Koppel NOW!



and tell him that regardless of what his story will say tonight, the vote cannot be verified!

<http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/News/story?id=64544 >

List the 5 bills in Congress blocked by the Repukes that would have mandated the Voter-Verified Paper Ballot. See:

<http://www.verifiedvoting.org/article.php?list=type&type=43>

Tell him that a lot of the suspicion could be mitigated by having VVPBs in all states and mandatory random audits.

This is yet another golden opportunity. The other one was Jan 6, in case you haven't figured that out yet!

It's time to go mainstream on this issue people!

We are the true PATRIOTS!

Thanks!

[Carolab]

36. I just did. Please, others write to Nightline and express your concerns.

I told them to skip it if all they were going to do was report half-truths and attempt to dismiss it.

I also asked them if they thought David Cobb and Michael Badnarik, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Barbara Boxer, John Conyers, Jesse Jackson, Cliff Arnebeck, Jon Bonifaz, Susan Truitt, Steve Rosenbaum, Ralph Neas, Maxine Waters, et al, were fools along with the 30% on the Annenberg poll who felt their vote was not (accurately) counted.

[Vinca]

28. Ted Koppel's still alive?

Honest . . . I swear I didn't know. Maybe if he covered something important - like stolen elections - in a timely manner, he might not be perceived to be dead guy. Guess we have to be grateful for whatever crumbs they throw.

[mod mom]

29. MSM is dead. Sorry, we found the truth on the internet and

we don't have to put up with corporate brainwashing commercials. Even NPR has gone over to the dark side. Who needs them.

[DearAbby]

33. Yep, MSM is dead rotting corpse

Bet you that Ted(what me worry) Kopel will protray us as Kooks :tinfoilhat:Sour grapes, sore losers, pinheaded geeks.....etc. :argh:

Edit to add:
Isn't Sweeps coming soon...maybe they want to string us along for sweeps with "in-depth" stories on the "controversy"...the media whores need big ratings for the big buck sponsers. :crazy:

[understandinglife]

30. Email to Koppel and others at ABC:

Dear Mr Koppel,

The 2004 presidential election is invalid.

More than 30 % of the American eligible voters used vapor ballot devices.

No means exist to verify to each of those voters that their vote was recorded as they intended.

None.

It is an unarguable, unambiguous fact. The technology used does not permit verification to the voter that their vote was recorded and tabulated as they intended.

In addition, when we look at 'exit poll' data -- those states that used ballot methods that support verification, such as Oregon, we find no deviation from the prediction of the exit poll. In every state in which a vapor-ballot device was used (even if only used in one or two counties, such as WA State) we have a uniform shift in the prediction of the exit poll information -- a uniform shift from Kerry to Bush.

That could not have happened by chance.

Coupled with the fact that NO means exist to verify to each voter that their vote was recorded as they intended, in each of those States, and the conclusion is inescapable.

WE HAVE NO ELECTION.

Our American franchise of democracy and the Constitution on which it is based are being threatened. The most anti-American act conceivable -- permitting a potentially invalid election to stand -- is about to be indelibly recorded.

Why don't you be a true patriot and have the courage to call HALT.

Thank you,
======================================

BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION; 24/7

[Hugin]

32. Well said...

You really do understand life.

Thanks.

[Helga Scow Stern]

31. With 2 guests Mitofsky and Mystery Pollster, it's hardly unbiased. n/t

[IndyPriest]

38. THOSE are the two guests??

Geez. But, maybe TIA has gotten through the Mystery Pollster's shell.

[Quakerfriend]

35. I just sent Ted a long email

appraising him of the facts. I told him that million of people around the country think that this election was a complete scam and that we feel the press has been complicit in this act of treason against our democracy.

Also, directed him to shadowbox.i8.com so that he can present a balanced discussion tonight!

Sadly, though I don't expect it. :cry:

[mirrera]

52. That is a cool site!

I am amazed at all the sites popping up. This one looks very well organized and as a designer it is nice to see one "lookin good"
Thanks for sharing it!

[MichaelTheCat]

39. When?!?

[Karenca]

41. I think 8:00PM EST??? ...nt

[MichaelTheCat]

43. Thank!

I tried looking online, but I couldn't find it!

[Karenca]

44. Yoohoo Michael!..

Welcome to DU!

[MichaelTheCat]

46. Thanks. Glad to be here.

[IndyPriest]

47. If it's a special it might be on at 8pm EST. Otherwise it's "after your

local late news", typically 11:35pm eastern.

[KansDem]

45. In all fairness, didn't Koppel and NL expose the Swift Boat Liars?

I don't watch MSM so I may not know what I'm talking about, but didn't Koppel investigate the accusations by the SBLs by going over to Vietnam to talk with citizens there regarding the Kerry shooting incident?

And wasn't the report damning to the SBLs?

[bklyncowgirl]

48. Yeah it was, Koppel's about as straight a shooter as any on MSM

Which is why he's on at 11:30 at night opposite Leno.

[Kansas Wyatt]

54. Koppel had the 'Not So Swift Liar' leader...

O'Neil desperately holding his books up and begging anyone to believe him. Koppel reduced O'Neil to a worthless sack of shit on national tv, and O'Neil could only whine about his fiction.

[tinonedown]

49. Is this because Kerry recently spoke up?

If so, I wish we could turn back the clock and turn his voice on sooner! But, yes, better late than never.

[driver8]

53. Wow!! That is some amazing journalism!!

Just a little late with the story, aren't you Ted?