MSM is digging its own grave. We need to help it along.

[buddysmellgood]

The Nightline report is another nail in the coffin. There is no return from this. Perhaps I'm a hopeless optimist, but I think people will continue to turn off the news as it keeps feeding the lies. We need to openly humiliate those that talk about what they saw on the news. Laugh at them and ask if they confirmed what they saw with any other source. Everyone knows network news is just another 'Armstrong Williams' tool of the Bush Admin.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. We need to drive an ICEBERG right into the starboard (the "RIGHT) side....

of the "S.S MSM".

[feistydem]

2. 49% of us will anyway.

the other half will keep sopping it up.

[buddysmellgood]

5. I don't think they can survive that kind of loss. They are too used to

having it all.

[feistydem]

7. I take solace in Keith Olbermann (and wait for him to get the network axe)

they can keep the rest

[buddysmellgood]

9. I wish more could see him.

[KaliTracy]

3. my hope is that there will a whole lot of people (reporters, senators,

Rice, Rummy, etc. eating crow. and those that could have reported on it, and either gave weighted or biased reports, or chose NOT to report on it will quit their jobs and become chicken farmers.

[AllyCat]

6. No, they should not have animals in their care.

I think we can put them to work cleaning up oil and hazardous waste spills.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Just frame it correctly

this is NOT the Main Stream Media, after all AAR is part of it.

This is the Stenography Corp... or the Propaganda Channel. They chose to use the CIA Station for a reason... but this is NOT the MSM, but the Stenography Corp

[Fly by night]

27. I like the phrase "corporate media" -- it identifies those I won't watch.

And unfortunately, NPR and PBS, with their corporate underwriters and their equally ignorant and dismissive coverage of the 2004 election theft, fall into this category now also.

That's a shame -- I used to believe I could rely on "All Things Considered" and "Morning Edition", but they have done some of the most sarcastic pieces on the election theft this side of Faux News. So now I have more quiet time and more of my hard-earned dollars to keep for myself, instead of buying more Kool-Aid for Nina and the "out to lunch" public radio bunch.

[marions ghost]

28. I won't forgive NPR either

I won't even listen to their other stories anymore--now have a full blown allergy to NPR. Interesting how if you lose "trust," it colors everything. You doubt anything from that source. They have abused the trust of all halfway intelligent Americans and become another cog in the spin machine.

Write to NPR--at least they should be held accountable. AT least they should hear the "boos" as they slide along their slippery slope...

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

33. I have a friend who used to be an NPR DJ

He won't give any money any more because of the deal they made with Exxon.

From what he told me, Exxon gave them a big grant with the stipulation that they lay off environmental issues bad for the oil industry.

[iconoclastNYC]

38. AAR is not Mainstream Media

MSM is FOX, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, Washington Post, NY Times, LA Times, WSJ and USA TODAY.

AAR is no more mainstream than Rush "Mr. Oxycontin" Limbaugh is.


edit--forgot CBS

[RaulVB]

8. Those crooks are dead on the water

And they now it.

[luaptifer]

10. it proves to me, we've gotta helluva lot more work to do

i had a friend call me up just after it started to let me know 'Conspiracy Theory' was on. he called because i asked him to tivo the jan 6 electoral vote count for me then watched some of it with him. as we watched, he saw me get visibly, audibly angry as the CONs, per script, one-by-one repeated the literal partyline of 'conspiracy theory, tinfoil hatters'.

he's a MEISTRO with Tivo that gives you a sense of how much MSM he absorbs. but beyond the passing thought and as conditioned by the MSM, he had no idea of why i was so pissed.

so basically, i'm presenting that this guy catches a WHOLE lotta tube in his eye-sockets. and my interest and explanation re the Boxer contest, was essentially his first major awareness of the 'theory'!

what i'm saying is the grave's about an inch deep so far, we've gotta get a bulldozer in here.

[glitch]

16. Cspan is an eye opener - once you see unfiltered news as it happens

and then compare it with how the corporate media reports it (if they even bother), you realize what you're getting from the corporate media is something, but it sure ain't news.

Get the news junkies to give C-span a try, even if it's just a short one, and you're argument is practically made.

The only thing better is being involved in the news, like being at a protest rally, hearing the speakers and seeing the numbers for yourself, and then hearing how the corporate media reports the event.

Their corruption so blatant. Once you realize that there is no going back. Why bother with them?
I think when they lose viewers this way, it's permanent.

[AntiFascist]

17. Isn't the MSM guilty of spreading the conspiracy theory about....

WMDs? This is the real conspiracy theory that should be causing outrage, especially to the families of dead or injured soldiers!

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. The same ones who spread the conspiracy theory

that 19 arabs hijacked airplanes with box cutters.

[zann725]

11. But the beauty of it IS their advertisers still have a 'bottom line'...

and their ratings HAVE to have dropped substantially since the Election. And I was at the gym tonight, and was amazed at the number of people there (who I know are Repugs) who kept avoiding watching the various Pre-Inaugural coverage. Many even expressed scorn or disgust with it.

So let them go on lying...NOT for long. This is STILL Capitalism (partly anyway), and corporations still aim at viewership and profits.

Maybe we could work on making lists of their corporate sponsors, and blanket emailing them about how we no longer watch the news due to the wide-spread lies. Could be done.

[Carolab]

12. ABC is Sinclair, remember?

We found out when they went against Koppel running the pix of the dead soldiers.

We dropped Sinclair's stock before. Let's do it again.

[icehenge]

14. Wow your right

I didn't know we had such a profound effect.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/002793.html
http://financial.washingtonpost.com/wpost/quote.asp?symbol=SBGI&mode=CHART&dispnav=business

Look at October. All that work everyone around the US did to
speaking to advertisers that advertise on Sinclair, I didn't
know it was so effective. Amazing!

[Peace Patriot]

13. Easy to use MEDIA BLASTER at...

http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity2_12.htm

And see our new letter writing forum (soon to be posted as such) at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=293412&mesg_id=293412

[go west young man]

15. Free TV here... cancel that cable and quit supporting war.

www.TV4all.com

[genieroze]

31. Thanx for the link. eom

[fasttense]

18. Their Neilsen ratings are plummeting

No one watches them and they will eventually go away to be replaced by cartoons.

Their sponsors still want the audiences even if they don't bother to do the news that attracts the audiences. Someone will eventually figure out the they need to offer viewers something else besides warmed over Faux news. In the mean time, get the news from the INTERNET or left wing radio.

CNN's and MSNBC's producers and managers are so blinded by their right wing agendas, they can't see they have to offer something different to get the viewers. It's staring them in the face and they can't see past their own biases.

[Hugin]

22. Yep. n/t

[genieroze]

32. I wonder why they don't seem to care, is because their advertising

subsidies are the government?

[jdog]

19. I woke up this morning thinking of the people being sprayed with

pepper spray. How many people will see that image? We need to share that image with others.

[Hugin]

21. It's interesting...

I've read considerable speculation about the fading
viewership of MSM outlets indicated by recent polls.

Never once have I heard them openly say it may be
due to the fact people are on to their lies and
reject their propaganda.

I also notice that, yes, FOX's numbers have increased.

Only so far though.

I would say the RW plateau has been hit.

Hey, MSM! That's IT. The vein is tapped. You're only
trading established viewers.

Time to start a new mine and dig for the disenfranchised
muted NORMAL folks out there.

THERE'S MILLIONS OF THEM.

[fasttense]

24. You know that's a good point Prag

The right wing news market is saturated and normal people are getting tired of the same old fake news. It was weird and morbidly fascinating at first but now it's just boring

[Hugin]

25. "weird and morbidly fascinating"

I like your wording. =)

Yes, we all like to crash our model trains into each
other now and then. But, quite frankly, I'm tired of
watching the megamonopoly media companies crash their
trains now.

There is also pleasure in watching a well run railroad.

It's time for them to grow up and become responsible.

It's like watching TV at the grandparent's house...

You can watch whatever you want as long as it's what
they're watching.

(Edit: Included comments about well run railroads)

[FogerRox]

37. Fox network over all is down on ratings--except for a sports game or 2

& AMerican Idol---FOx over all is down by about 8%.

[Hugin]

41. Thanks for the update FogerRox. n/t

[ClassWarrior]

23. buddy... from one Cheesehead to another...

...I agree with everything you say, but PLEASE, PLEASE don't call them "the mainstream media." There is NOTHING MAINSTREAM about their sick, twisted agenda of greed and manipulation. Nothing!! They are the Corporate Media, plain and simple.

Thanks man!

NGU.

[Hugin]

26. Good point!

Thanks ClassWarrior...

From now on I'll cease calling it the MSM. Replacing it
with CRM for (Corporate Run Media).

[Last Lemming]

29. No

I think a Liberal TV station would be a great thing--if you could take one of those shows examining the fall of the Twin Towers and just show it once...

And Air America--despite its shakiness--is getting picked up by Clear Channel in SOUTH CAROLINA (hey, just here to make a buck and Rush Limbaugh wasn't cutting it in a college town)

I, however, read the New York Times every day for 15 years but stopped with the Iraqi War-weapons of mass distruction stuff--obvious lies Today I finally, and with no small ceremony, remove it as my homepage.

[dandrhesse]

30. No more hits to their web sites either.

At one time I was looking at several major online newspaper sites as well as the major networks to see what was being reported. If we can assign a specific person for each major network and the papers we want to audit, maybe someone has a subscription, hard copy of each major paper and we can report what in our local papers on this site.

We could make a major drop in their hits online if we all stop looking. We should reward those that report something we like such as a Keith Olbermann piece or whatever, but controlling the hits on the web makes a significant impact on the price for ads - - always remember - - follow the money.

[EFerrari]

34. There is one legit reason to watch CRM

That would be to get a handle on the spin of the day and to stay on top of the trend (this coming war with Iran is a good example) because they are loudspeakers for the Bush Mafia.

I have to do it for a living, basically, and when it doesn't make me ill, it's fascinating to see which way they warp reality and with how much aplomb.

[Hugin]

35. Superior point (and well taken) sfexpat! n/t

[libertypirate]

36. I can hand you a nail but we need others....

The documentry 911 in plane sight.

About 27mins into it there is a TV interview that obliterates the official 911 coverup story. That's a nail find others and we can put these fuckers to rest!

[iconoclastNYC]

39. Great tool: MEDIA MATTERS for AMERICA

If you need any help trying to convice someone that the MSM/CRM is party of the VRWC, just check out this site. They don't miss a thing. Tons of clearcut evidence.

http://www.mediamatters.org

[Hugin]

42. Oh great, just when I thought I had all the acronyms down...

VRWC crops up...

I'm aware of http://www.mediamatters.org it's a fine effort
on a fine web site.

[MadisonProgressive]

43. just went to mediamatters

Found this gem:

From the January 22 edition of CNN's The Capital Gang:

NOVAK: But I just have to say that this partisanship by the Democrats is just -- and people like you, Mark , can't appreciate just how nasty they are that they were all over the television, all over the town in the last week saying it's terrible to have this inauguration. Let it alone.

And what I'm really sick of are the protesters. They just are a lot of punks and it's none of their business and it isn't free speech. It's just nastiness, and I'm sick of it.

MARK SHIELDS (moderator): I am sorry, Bob, but I mean, dissent is the lifeblood of democracy -- dissent and debate.

NOVAK: That isn't dissent and debate. It is hooliganism.

SHIELDS: It is dissent and debate. We have a policy of war, which two-fifths of the American people now think is the right decision, was the right decision originally. Three-fifths of them oppose it. And the idea that we've got to still all debate is somehow -- I don't know what you think of. For a man who loves civil liberties, you're an autocrat.

NOVAK: They had -- the people who didn't like that war had a very good chance to protest on November 2. They didn't protest it.

ALBERT R. HUNT (panelist): Can I ask you a question about-- is there such a thing as a partisan Republican in this town?

NOVAK: They're nothing like these Democrats. They're so nasty. I can tell you that. Nothing like that.

HUNT: So, the partisanship is -- the partisanship is one-sided.

NOVAK: Pretty much so.

HUNT: Is it really? That's interesting. That's interesting, OK.

SHIELDS: It's a different Washington that you live in.

[Hugin]

45. Nasty!

Wow... I'm really sorry for those people who have to
listen to this stuff to refine out these nuggets.

I re-ask my question:

"How did someone with a 44% approval rating win the election
with 51% of the vote?" NOVACK!

[sunnystarr]

40. I just sent CBS a suggestion ....

Since they're planning a cable news presence, I suggested that they don't follow the losing right wing positioning since the right wing viewership is finite and they already have an allegiance to Fox News. I pointed out that CNN and MSNBC are losing the ratings war. Since there is another 50% of the population that is being ignored and being lost to the blogosphere, they would have an instant following if they just gave us true fair and balanced reporting including challenging those who come on spouting misinformation and lies.

Since CBS already has a left wing liberal reputation they should take advantage of it and give 50% of the US a voice. I pointed out that their main job was ratings with a bottom line of increased earnings from advertisers.

I also suggested that Olbermann, who already has a major following, would be an excellent choice for a top position.

I don't think it hurts in reminding them that there are millions of us out here that represent ratings.

[Steve L]

44. Free Speech Network

A great source for information is the Free Speech Network, which is channel 9415 on the Dish Network. They carry Democracy Now daily, the international news program INN, a series on the Iraq war called Shocking and Awful, and host of documentaries of great importance. Yesterday they aired a documentary on the administrations use of 911 to promote it's agenda entitled Hijacking Catastrophe. Today I watched a documentary about the Iran/Contra affair. This station should be a must for DUers, even if you have to subscribe to the Dish Network to get it. Check out their website at www.freespeech.org

[newyawker99]

46. Hi Steve L!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast: