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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:05 AM
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Surprised about your "surprised" reaction on the ABC "report"
Ted Koppel's background:

"Close friend of Colin Powell"

That would be it.

Regarding your "surprised reaction", 2 things:

- This piece was ORDERED BY THE WHITE HOUSE.

- Tomorrow is the "big party."

- WE are at WAR with the MSM (corporate).

- My goal is to destroy and/or put on jail those who are responsible and guilty of supporting the regime.

- Are you going to UNDERSTAND that the CORPORATE MEDIA IS PART OF THE REGIME, OR NOT?

Can't you see THAT THE ONLY EXPLANATION FOR THE NOVEMBER 2ND "ELECTION" IS FRAUD AND A RIGGED PROCESS SPONSORED BY THE NETWORKS?

I did not watch that garbage. Surprised some of you did.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:08 AM
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1. Raul it is the stenography corp
brings out the dictation aspect from Karl Rove even better...

;-)

After that, I just got the briefs here and went.... who wants to watch that drivel?

He who controls the past, controls the present

George Orwell
1984
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:08 AM
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2. You're right. A real report would have talked to John Conyers...
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 01:09 AM by Gloria
Oh, but Cokie told us to "rejoice" over the "continuity" of the Republic.

Screw em
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:08 AM
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3. ABC, General electric
Wyane Madsen hit the nail ont he head a long time ago...

"Who Tells You What to Think?

Columbia Journalism Review and Media Channel track the owners and minions of U.S. media interests at http://www.cjr.org/owners/ and www.mediachannel.org, and a visit there is most enlightening. NBC, General Electric's marionette, owns an array of properties from financial institutions in France to long distance telephone services in Hungary. General Electric is a partner with Starbucks Coffee in Talk City. Under the Walt Disney Group entity resides ABC, which recently featured an investigative piece on World News Tonight on whether time travel is possible. This was not a news story but a movie advertisement: Disney was preparing to release its remake of the movie, "The Time Machine." It must have been tough for the quintessential Peter Jennings to turn into an Entertainment Tonight host for a Hollywood gossip and gabfest show masquerading as a nightly news broadcast. Disney also owns interests in petroleum and natural gas production facilities.

The New York Times owns the Boston Globe and has a partial interest in a sports franchise, the Boston Red Sox. Viacom is the holder of CBS and runs everything from Star Trek properties to Spelling Television. The Washington Post co-owns the International Herald Tribune with the New York Times and, along with the LA Times, runs a news service. Gannett, publisher of USA Today, owns "insider" publications U.S. Army, Air Force and Navy-Marine Corps Times, as well as Defense News and Military Market. They also partner with defense contractor General Electric on web ventures.

And then there's The Unification Church's Washington Times Newspaper listed as a "project" on Rev. Sun Myung Moon's website. The Washington Times, along with the Dow Jones' Wall Street Journal (Jones also owns 20 newspapers around the U.S.), cater to a powerful constituency: God, Money, Corporations and Republicans, although not always in that order. Rev. Moon claims that Jesus Christ visited him in 1935 and, according to The Unification Church website, "Jesus asked him to complete the task of establishing God's kingdom on earth and bringing His peace to humankind." Apparently Bush the First and Bush the Second agree with Moon. The elder was on the Moon payroll as a speechmaker and the younger claimed in a presidential debate that Jesus Christ was the greatest philosopher of all time. Finally, no mention of media would be complete without Fox News Corporation. As reported by MediaChannel, Rupert Murdoch's empire is so vast that he claims, "Our reach is unmatched around the world. We are reaching people from the moment they wake up until they fall asleep."

Pay No Attention to What the Media is Doing Behind That Curtain

With incest in the U.S. media as flagrant as it is-combined with its subservience to the current U.S administration and military--is it any surprise that events are scripted to suit the outcome of the U.S. economic and national policies? The recent <U.S.-backed> Venezuelan coup exposed the U.S. media interests as complicit partners in deceiving the American public. FAIR at documented the print media's bovine coverage:

"When elements of the Venezuelan military forced president Hugo Chavez from office last week, the editorial boards of several major U.S. newspapers followed the U.S. government's lead and greeted the news with enthusiasm. In an April 13 editorial, the New York Times triumphantly declared that Chavez's "resignation" meant that "Venezuelan democracy is no longer threatened by a would-be dictator." Conspicuously avoiding the word "coup," the Times explained that Chavez "stepped down after the military intervened and handed power to a respected business leader.... Three days later, Chavez had returned to power and the Times ran a second editorial (4/16/02) half-apologizing for having gotten carried away."

When the corporate megaliths took over the news networks, the first casualties were the foreign bureaus. No longer would network journalists be able to build up a base of sources and contacts within various capital cities and financial centers. The result is that the networks increasingly rely on government spokespeople for "news" that is really nothing more than propaganda. Take Afghanistan, for example. Network and newspaper reporters are confined to Kabul because U.S. military planners have convinced them the countryside is unsafe. Not knowing any better and lacking any in-country contacts, they remain in Kabul and dutifully file as news copy every statement regurgitated by a suspicious military public affairs officer. As Robert Young Pelton indicated in an interview with Salon,

"Well, the military hates the media. The conundrum is that we live and die for the Constitution and one of the elements of the Constitution is freedom of the press -- the right of the democratic public to make decisions based on a free flow of information, without censorship, without people rewriting history. And basically since the Vietnam War, the military realizes that the press is the enemy, because the press is actually faster and more intelligent than the military is. They can assess a military situation long before the military figures it out".

This story has been replayed in cities and countries around the world. Last June, the world media bought the story issued by the government of Nepal that a love sick, drunk, and deranged Crown Prince executed his entire family, including his mother and father -- the King and Queen. Not reported was that incoming King and new Crown Prince were brutal thugs bent on turning the country into a virtual province of neighboring India. The Hollywood-inspired news media liked the O.J. Simpson and Robert Blake angle of the story instead and, without even a cursory independent investigation, decided the official government explanation would suffice. It's the same story-line in Washington, DC.

Rewriting the Record

The recent pro-Palestinian and anti-globalization march in Washington was ignominiously ignored by the U.S. media interests. Only C-SPAN covered it live. However, when the ranks of the protestors swelled to over 75,000, C-SPAN cut away its coverage to air a taped three-day old speech by the head of the International Monetary Fund. Undoubtedly, C-SPAN, like many other networks that have offered unbiased coverage of Middle East news, felt the wrath of a powerful lobby group called CAMERA - the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America - a virtual propaganda arm of the Israeli government known for berating any reporter who criticizes Israel. It effectively uses is financial clout to get wayward media elements to fall in line with Israel's party line.

Another dangerous trend is cable news addiction to Bush. The Three Stooges of cable news broadcasting - CNN, FoxCable, and MSNBC -- all break away for live coverage whether Bush is hamming it up in the mountains of New York State or disembarking from his helicopter. Gone underreported is the doctoring of White House transcripts by staffers who excise Bush's intellectual blunders at press conferences and speeches who, in effect, are rewriting the record. And U.S. military movements in support of the failed coup in Venezuela received scant attention. History is replete with examples of authoritarian leaders surrounding themselves with cameras and one-sided news coverage. Consider Leni Riefenstahl's constant filming of Hitler and how the coverage extended to every German movie house. Or Soviet TV's ad minutiae coverage of Brezhnev, Andropov, and Chernenko. Every time they visited a tractor factory in Minsk or a poultry plant in Kiev, the story was prominently featured on the nightly "Vremya" news.

As U.S. military planners, politicians and corporations continue their global pacification campaign against a now trumped up Al Qeida, they have already planned for the invasion of Iraq and, perhaps, other members of the Axis of Evil. To garner public support for boundless U.S. military operations--from which new exploitable markets magically appear--the war machine has received the enthusiastic support of U.S. media interests whose task, it seems, is to keep the public busy and acquiescent. In reality, most American's are extraordinarily adverse to war, yet the U.S. media interests upon which they rely for "thought" are the integral operatives for U.S. war propaganda and concomitant public indoctrination. Nazi celebrity Hermann Goering would be right at home in the U.S. in 2002, working with U.S. media interests to suppress dissent and bring home a glorious victory for the Homeland.

"Why of course the people don't want war! Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen0425.html

Viacom Inc. had large trading and shook hands with Unification Church and all its subsidiaries. Mitofsky left Viacom strangely after Moon's visit in which he held the "prophecy"

Mitofsky's family on the other hand, goes back years, and now he's been the governmental puppet to de-construct other governments by force.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:16 AM
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7. Correct
General Electric, ONE OF THE BIGGEST MILITARY CONTRACTORS.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:09 AM
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4. I couldn't bare to watch it
Listening to the blow-by-blow on DU is plenty for me. I got the gist of the crime without having to be witness to it.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:12 AM
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5. As soon as I heard it would have Mitofsky and "Mystery Pollster"
and no Conyers I knew it was a propaganda piece simply not worth watching. And to debunk it to anyone who did watch it (and doesn't know the whole story), all I have to say is that it was a very one-sided piece that didn't even include the Congressman who is doing the investigation.

So, in a way, they make our work easier with such lame attempts at discrediting the truth.

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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:14 AM
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6. Yes, we KNOW THE TRUTH AND HOW POWERFUL IS TO KNOW IT (n/t)
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 01:14 AM by RaulVB
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:50 AM
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20. yeah "Mystery Pollster"...
what's his angle?
"Democratic pollsters are satisfied..."
"Majority of Dems dont think there's a problem with the count."

Dunno who he is, but zero credibility. Looks like he thinks he's Mr. Polling Expert of America--he speaks for all. Put him in a ring with somebody from Zogby...
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:16 AM
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8. well, they should be monitored
The idea is to study the tactics without getting upset.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:17 AM
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9. What, "tactics"?
Read about mass media and public opinion control tactics in totalitarian regimes.

Should be good enough.
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:37 AM
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15. it's not good enough...
I would hate to discourage any future Woodward/Bernstiens who may be reading here. Watch, and learn. Know the opposition.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:38 AM
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16. Totalitarian regimes move along well known patterns (n/t)
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:41 AM
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17. yes, but the scenery,players, and mediums are always changing nt
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:10 AM
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25. not really
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 02:18 AM by KingoftheJungle
The research group I am working with has traced the modern movement all the way back to WWI and the nazi party, and the overall Illuminati movement to thousands of years ago.

The thing is, the Nazis never went away. They started infiltrating the german government again, along with the Vatican (who then consequently arraigned for their safe escape to south american contries) and cut Prescott Bush and the Rockefellers in on deals for Standard Oil and Drilling, and in return assumed critical roles in the CIA. Rove and Feeney are from prominent Nazi bloodlines. Their tactics for infiltration haven't changed a DAMN bit (it's almost to the "t") and their means of population control haven't changed much either. Also, since the fundamental nature of their organization relies on tight-knit bonds between a very limited group of people, it makes it fairly easy to track them thanks to the exposure of their membership over the last few decades (it only took us a couple of months to put the overall picture together, which has gotten pretty clear as of this week).

What they don't have plans for is the Internet, and with it we have the means to expose and oppose them. It is really our only tool against them, so make use of it at every chance you get.
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:54 AM
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21. I predict media event outcomes with approx. 90 percent accuracy..
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 02:03 AM by zapped 1
...over a 20 year period. This is easy stuff for me, and others as well.
(e.g. I am sure most people here can predict that tomorrows telly-ganda will cause his approval ratings to go from 49 percent to well over that mark.

edit: subject mis-wording
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:58 AM
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22. Correct. Close to 60% (n/t)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:18 AM
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10. RaulVB, Rock On, Corporate Media (CM) -- Predictable
Oh, my. I remember the night Chris Burey (not sure of spelling) stood in for Teddy K and did a hatchet job on child sexual abuse victims with one of the CM's favorite bull-shit stories, "false memories." This ignored the fact that most victims have continuous memories. They were trying to take the steam out of a very real story of deviance in this and many countries. It's just the type of filth they put out. When you attack and discredit helpless victims, what effort is it to trash an election. They are vile!!!
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:21 AM
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11. That is an understatement (vile)
I get the point, though!
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:22 AM
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12. I Can't Watch CNN Anymore! Reminds Me Of "1984"!
Does CNN stand for Corporate News Network?

Fox is nothing but a cheerleader for Bush. The rest of the Republican corporate owned right wing mainstream news media makes me puke also. Let's face it, "1984" has arrived! If only everyone could get together and create a news channel that reports the truth, I guess I can dream. The media is so damned obvious, they are like a children's TV show talking to little children, but even little children should see through them and probably do!
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:23 AM
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13. Guilty as charged. I watched it. Guess some of keep hoping...
But you are correct. It was an absurd and disgusting attempt at making it seem like they gave a shit which they clearly did not by nature of leaving out the main issues of the fraud. Never mind that they left out Rep. Conyers, the 57,000 accounts of problems handed to the GAO, the 102 page document handed to the Senate, the sworn testimonies, the facts that the exit polls only were off in the states with electronic machines, or that Blackwell is a criminal or--- never mind, Raul. Point well taken. They are indeed part of the regime. It's just that - well, many of us have grown to like Ted Koppel and we really wanted to trust him. But how stupid of us-- I mean look at the timing of this report. Think it was an accident they had it on THE NIGHT BEFORE THE CORONATION? AS if to say "see that you stupid internet conspiracy theorists? Once and for all, there was no fraud so go away now and find someone else to bother".

I actually laughed about the latest spin on why the exit polls were so incorrect- it's because there were younger people conducting the polls and they tended to ask Democrats to respond more then others and also because in generally, Kerry voters were more open about speaking up then other voters. Right. Still doesn't explain why only the electronic states that showed Kerry in the lead were switched. Strange how they left out those charts and graphs...

Garbage it is. Bull shit it is really.

I'm with you Raul- they need to go to jail- every one of them.
Election Fraud is illegal and anyone involved needs to be put on trial. Of course, we may have to stand in line since I hear Europe is planning a trial of their own for war crimes but we'll be patient. May they all share the cell with Saddam.



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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:26 AM
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14. The younger pollsters are "guilty"!
That is the ultimate fascist tactic.

I dare Koppel to visit Portland, Oregon, so I can show him some numbers.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:41 AM
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18. Actually Ted is "virtual" now. It's all filmed in a studio in DC.
The guy hasn't covered a real news story with any degree of skill in about, well, never that I can remember. He has that arrogant tone and condescending cadence, just right for the mouth piece. They all make me sick.

This thread got me all riled up about the "vile" CM. Here's a letter I just fired off to the Post Ombudsman (haha, what a joke):
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I understand that the Post contributed $100,000 to the Bush inauguration festivities. How on earth can you claim to be objective if you're contributing this type of money to the Bush event? Of course the Post is a silent cheer leader by its absence of news coverage of the many, many Bush scandals. I suppose the $100,000 just shows where your heart really is.



N.B. Did it occur to you to contribute that $100,000 to the troops in Iraq who have to drive around in transport vehicles without armor? What degeneracy!
------------------------------------------------------------------------

OK, I've graduated from "vile" to "degeneracy," neither of which may be a crime (although they are guilty of crimes),however, both of which put them in the mortal sin category. There is a special place in the 9th Circle of Hell waiting for the CM!
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:47 AM
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19. Diehards
Nightline has just begun in my time zone. Ted is calling us "Diehards" instead of "Conspiracy Theorists." Is that a step up?
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:58 AM
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23. nope
Many who were skeptical about the election went to sleep tonight feeling massaged and comforted that democracy works, and can now enjoy a day of relaxing hypnosis on the telly tomorrow.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:04 AM
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24. maybe viewers will have positive subliminal associations
with those Sears Diehard batteries...we are going to need all the energy we can get for this long haul.

Better Diehard than Diebold
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:16 AM
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26. hahaha...we need some humor in any RoulVB thread!
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kerstin Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:11 AM
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27. This piece made me think of the one ABC aired on the 40th anniversary
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 03:47 AM by kerstin
of the Kennedy assassination. ABC promoted the hell out of it and sensationally proclaimed that it put to rest once and for all these pesky "conspiracy theories" swirling about the JFK assassination. It was so poorly researched and journalistically shoddy and yet so bent on promoting the "lone gunman theory" that it definitely seemed that ABC had an agenda. Since then I have wondered if the whole point of this hackumentary was to squelch the speculative buzz about George H.W. Bush and the assassination. Of course I'm not arguing that Bush the Elder was involved in the plot to kill Kennedy, but still the piece could have been done per the White House in an effort to quell the speculation (largely based on FBI and State Department memos that seem to suggest Bush was a CIA operative at the time and that also place him in Dallas on the day of the assassination). (By the way, I have stumbled across this same evidence on several web sites and, apparently, the memos are a matter of public record having been released under the Freedom of Information Act so I'm hardly starting anything.)

I mention this here only because this piece tonight had the same sort of reek to it.
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