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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:15 PM
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* and Laura give sign of the devil?
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:16 PM by Carolab


Or, what is that?
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NGU Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:17 PM
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1. It might be a Longhorn sign from University of Texas
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:20 PM by NGU
Or maybe not....Just a guess.
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Roger_Otip Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:49 AM
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31. her hand is the wrong way round
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 09:49 AM by Roger_Otip
for the texas longhorn sign - according to http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ (see halfway down the page)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:17 PM
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52. It's a Hook 'em Horns sign... But they still devils! Devils All!
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:17 PM
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2. Here's a picture of Jenna doing the same.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:18 PM by tuvor
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:18 PM
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3. It's a University of Texas thing
It's not about the devil, just Longhorns...take it from a Texan.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:20 PM
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4. Same difference. NT
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:32 AM
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30. lol... eom
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:06 AM
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33. You. Aggie ?
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:21 PM
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6. None of them attended the University of Texas though...
:crazy:
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NGU Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:23 PM
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8. Yes but they are from Texas....
so maybe someone from the crowd was making the Longhorn sign to show support from Texas
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:41 PM
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21. Ummmm.....Jenna did though. She graduated from there as well. n/t
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:42 PM by tx_dem41
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:16 AM
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35. Yes, I think she has a B.S. in partying. NT
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 03:42 PM
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58. But, to the Deaf, it's the Devil
On NPR's "Weekend Addition/Saturday," today, they said it's confusing as "Hell" (pun intended)to Deaf people. It, apparently, is the "sign" language sign for the Devil.:evilgrin:

I think it's confusing the Dutch, too.:evilgrin:
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samwisefoxburr Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:21 PM
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5. Me being a Satanist...
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:25 PM by samwisefoxburr
...It just looks funny seeing them do that. I know it's the Texas Longhorns sign, too, but it's just weird.:crazy:

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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:27 PM
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10. Clinton used to make that sign too, I seen pics of him doing it.
When I was a kid you used to be able to buy jewelry of that sign. I thought it was for protection from evil or is that an Ankh?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:29 PM
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12. Ankh is 'eternal life' or 'eternal soul'...
either is what I've heard.

Unless I'm missing something.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:14 PM
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44. you are right
:)
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:24 PM
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41. Collage of people signaling the "devil's hand"
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=126&contentid=1811

"Devil's hand" (or "il cornuti" in Italian) signifies that satan rules. It is a universal hand signal used by politicians, celebrities as well as heavy metal bands, affirming their allegiance to satanic powers and a visual shorthand for "Hail, Satan."


;-)
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:49 PM
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57. Thanks for that link
And comment, Synnical.

At last, a good photo of Berlusconi doing it.

Now, let's search for a photo of "Prince William", you mentioned...
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:28 PM
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11. Funny, many of the worst and imbalanced notions of Satanism...
are alive and well in this administration.

They've taken 'self-sufficiency' to a whole new level of selfishness.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:46 PM
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60. Aleister Crowley:
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 06:49 PM by EuroObserver
"Do what you will shall be the whole of the law."
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:06 AM
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34. There's satanists and satanists, you know.
You're playing. They're doing it.
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super simian Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:04 PM
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48. What does it mean to be a satanist? n/t
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:21 PM
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7. So, is this a peace sign from Poppy?
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:22 PM by Carolab
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:52 PM
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22. Nope...He's saying
"I want you three times tonight, Babs my darling."
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NickiWitch Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:33 PM
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38. It looks like he's going to poke her in the eyes...
a la The Three Stooges.

Why I outta!!!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:10 PM
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51. Check THIS out
http://www.adullamfilms.org/adullam/part6.html

William Schnoebelen writes:

Two fingered peace sign: An ancient symbol for the horned god of witchcraft. Aleister Crowley bragged that he had given this symbol to Winston Churchill during W.W. II.



“In Satanism, that gesture is known as the sign

of ‘The Bowman’ (the Bowman is the first

horseman of the apocalypse in the book of

Revelation). It is a symbol of the anti-Christ.

This Bowman/anti-Christ association IN THE

OCCULT ... is because of the connection be-

tween the Horned God of witchcraft

and the hunt. A popular name for the Horned God

in England is, in fact, Herne the Hunter.”

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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:23 PM
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9. sign of a cuckold
who's Laura been up to?
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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:29 PM
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13. Rumfilled?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:30 PM
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14. I think it's sign language for Metallica RULES!!!!!
Maybe they're fans of heavy metal? What is that overly-medicated Satanic look on Pickles' face anyhow?

And, from Nov. 3, here's another example of what not to do with your hands, dear.




:puke:
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:30 PM
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15. I like this sign
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:30 PM
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16. It's the retarded Texas Longhorn salute...but we could make it be
anything we want if we "play" like they do! Hmmmm.....:think:
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:31 PM
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17. ACTUALLY it is the sign of the devil...
it identifies them as Texans

SORRY ALL YOU LEFT LEANING TEXANS BUT YOU GOTTA ADMIT - THE REST OF YOU ARE ONE SORRY BUNCH OF JERKS!
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:31 PM
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18. I saw others doing it also
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:33 PM by SueZhope
On fox they were all drinking the kool-aid at the kool-aid ball
and doing that at the TV....:beer:

this little guy is doing it?
:headbang:
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:32 PM
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19. They both did that continuously, and it must have been done for Satan.
They are both showing the horns hand sign for their Dark Lord.
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theresistance Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:32 PM
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20. Yes, its some sort of a secret society signal
Bill Clinton did do it also...and I'm friggin' sick and tired of seeing it from these stuck up, snobby, elite...ahhh!
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liwkenne Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:06 AM
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23. Why can't these people grow up?
I guess I can understand the urge to flash the Longhorn sign if you're drunk and excited at a University of Texas football game, but isn't it about time to move on and grow up? These people are embarrassing.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:26 AM
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24. At least * didn't use his usual salute.
Of the single-finger kind.
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turnkey Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 03:40 AM
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26. Well considering..
it was the Black Tie & Boots Ball put on by the Texas Women’s League, it would seem appropriate.
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zimba Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 03:12 AM
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25. Whatever it is its obvious that Laura
is trying to show dubya how to do it right, but he just cant seem to get the hang of it.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:12 AM
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27. There is one of *
doing it yesterday, too. I think I saw it on the Yahoo pictures.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:10 AM
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28. Silvio Berlusconi famously flashed this sign too
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 09:13 AM by EuroObserver
At a photo-op for EU foreign ministers in Caceres (Spain) in 2003.

I've been searching for a foto for days now (I´m collecting them), but every page that google says has one seems to have been pulled...

Texas U longhorns, huh?

Medieval sign for the devil, I think so.

In Spain and Italy it means these days above all "cornudo/cornuto" - ie, the person indicated (not the person making the gesture) is the victim of (marital) infidelity (do we have one word in English for that?)

Semi-secret society? Maybe...

Or just a gesture used by those who feel they're in the "ruling the world" club?

Clinton too, eh? Does anyone have any more (especially international) examples?

P.S. In almost every case the signer appears to be looking at and making the gesture to a specific person... In the club?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:23 PM
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37. Yeah, but when I was a kid
we used to "horn" other kids all the time. We were 6, 7, 8 years old. It's unlikely that we actually meant the kids we were doing it to were cuckolds.

The things different groups of people mean by the same symbol, and the difficulty people have in realizing there are differences. There must be a research paper in that somewhere. Lakoff?
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 03:11 PM
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39. Well
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 03:11 PM by EuroObserver
Cuckold. That's the word (problem with thinking, more or less, in two languages).

But I don't think that's quite what's being expressed here.

*'s first inauguration:


Laura recently:
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:30 AM
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29. I read somewhere...
In some cultures... (We all know these people are
culturally illiterate) that sign indicates a sneak.

I can't remember exactly what the sign is called,
but, the action is while the index finger is inserted
in the front end, while lovemaking, the pinky is inserted
in the back end.

Sorry to mix cultures.

;)
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Christian dem Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:03 AM
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32. Reminds me of Dio and Motley Crue
Both of whom were accused of devil worship. The irony no?
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Chelsea Patriot Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:40 AM
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36. My Pet Goat
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 03:56 PM
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59. Hmm. The Devil Depicts Capricorn (Goat) In Esoteric Philosophy
funny he had my pet goat when the towers were struck.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:17 PM
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40. Bush salute a Satan sign? Norwegians think so
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6852171/

The Associated Press

Updated: 10:57 a.m. ET Jan. 21, 2005OSLO, Norway -

President Bush’s “Hook ’em, ’horns” salute got lost in translation in Norway, where shocked people interpreted his hand gesture during his inauguration as a salute to Satan.

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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:31 PM
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45. So. where was
"the Longhorn marching band" on all the other occasions the sign has been observed?

Spin control.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:33 PM
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42. I don't know what to believe anymore.
Some it seems really far-fetched. Then again, this is Bush we're talkin' about...

Whatever it means, it's weird that they keep doing it.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:38 PM
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43. Yes
I've been noticing this for some time now.

I've been thinking it over during the last few hours, mostly listening to the Songs of Leonard Cohen and drinking some very fine Spanish red wine.

Let's go by numbers:

1. Most of these people (but not all) are too stupid to understand what they're doing or what's going on.

2. They're certainly not ashamed to display themselves enjoying what they perceive to be their triumph (their fall?).

3. This handsign, this gesture, seems to be one of shared complicity, between and amongst "initiates", or those "in the know". Maybe they think it's only a way of expressing their sensation of "victory".

4. Ancient, deep, but also contemporary (international, intercultural - at least European) meanings of this symbol: The Devil. Cuckold.

5. The (Old Testament) Devil (Beelzebub, Satan), Cuckold (infidelity), both share the same foundation in the Judeo-Christian tradition: Betrayal. Treason.

6. Maybe all this doesn't really mean anything. I think someone above suggested that these people are, perhaps, just playing, just enjoying themselves (and their sense of triumph). But also: maybe unconsciously they are in some way driven to express a deeper truth: viz. Betrayal. Treason.

7. Maybe, on a superficial level, there's nothing much in it. BUT, in any case, maybe, this extremely explicit symbolism could be turned, and used against them. At a deeper level.

- and that's enough numbers for now <g>.

In the words of Leonard Cohen: "Freedom soon will come. Men will come from the shadows."
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consciousobjector Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:44 PM
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50. Ah Leonard Cohen...
My husband knows I'm feeling depressed whenever I listen to Cohen...listened all day yesterday...

As for the devil sign...* can't help but reveal his true nature :evilgrin:
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:54 PM
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46. Someone said in another forum...
that when the thumb is out, like Clinton's, Taylor's, and McCartney's it means love in sign language.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:28 PM
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49. I found this picture...


When I googled "I love you" in images. There was another picture of a chocolate hand with this sign and it said "I love you" on it.
The thumb is extended, though, not like * and his bride.

I bet it's the Texas thing, though.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:24 PM
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53. Check this out... Scroll down the site "hand-wolfe" Yikes!
"Hand-wolfe" is a symbolic, in-party greeting of Azerbaijan's "Grey Wolves" (Bozkurt) neo-fascist militia! More at www.artsakhwor...tros/oldmistakes.htm! How creepy is this! Scroll down a bit and it's to the right! I felt like I needed to be dipped in disinfectant after reading this stuff! OMG!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:36 PM
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54. Link not working. n/t
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 03:59 AM
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55. Ari Fleischer--is he a Longhorns fan too?
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:27 AM
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56. Many thanks, Carolab. Archived. n/t
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