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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 01:53 PM
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URGENT! Tell Sensenbrenner to hold Conyers' hearings!
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 02:00 PM by Bill Bored
OK people, in case this hasn't been requested here yet, write or call F. James Sensenbrenner, Chair of the House Judiciary Committee and tell him to hold the hearings on the 2004 election requested by Conyers!

His address is:

2449 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-4905
Telephone: (202) 225-5101
e-mail: sensenbrenner@mail.house.gov
Fax: (202) 225-3190

If you're in Wisconsin or you want to contact his home office too, it's:

120 Bishops Way, Room 154
Brookfield, WI 53005-6294
Telephone: (262) 784-1111

Outside the Milwaukee Metro calling area, call toll-free HOTLINE number: 1-800-242-1119.

For background on this, read this story:

<http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=567>

And have a nice day! :-)
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:01 PM
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1. I emailed and said some of us were sick of the presidency being stolen
and he needed to hold hearings. Being polite won't work, may as well vent some spleen. I wish Rep Conyers more than luck to get the hearings held; he'll need a miracle.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:03 PM
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2. done nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:06 PM
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3. Also done.
Requested the hearings to ensure future elections aren't mired in fraud.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:06 PM
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4. Don't forget to FAX! They LOVE PAPER!
And tell Conyers you're supporting him in this way.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:06 PM
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5. Would carry more wieght if conveyed by a DU'er from the district
1. Any Du'ers in Sensenbrenner's home district???
2. This post needs to be in the Wisconsin forum, too.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:07 PM
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6. Done. Free and fair elections for the USA
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:11 PM
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7. Deaf Ears, unfortunately!
Sensenbrenner does what he damned wll pleases.....if he sense that you're a Dem your Fax will end up in the circular file very quickly...e-mail find the delete key very quickly. This guy is worthless and safe...the worst of all possible combinations.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:17 PM
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11. isn`t the kohl family in milwaukee?
i think that`s the family, yes sensenbrenner would never cross this cash cow
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:12 PM
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8. My email:
Dear Congressman Sensenbrenner,

I urge you to be fully supportive of the patriotic leadership of Congressman Conyers as he strives to restore credibility in the electoral process, as he strives to save our American franchise of Democracy from those who steal elections and tarnish the essence of our Constitution.

Enable Congressman Conyers and his colleagues to hold extensive, exhaustive hearings into the flawed, disenfranchising and invalid 2004 National election.

Invalid because over 30 % of our fellow citizens cast vapor ballots -- and have no way of ever knowing if their vote was recorded as they intended. In fact, no one can ever verify how those votes were actually cast and mounting evidence, in numerous counties, in numerous States point to intentionally shifted choices (touch Kerry, get Bush).

And, over 80 % of all ballots were converted to vapor by computer equipment of one form or another (from touchscreens to optical scanners to central tabulators): equipment supplied by highly partisan, theocratic Republican controlled companies.

Mr Bush has no mandate and no legitimacy because We The People have no way of knowing if our votes were counted as we intended. What we do know is that many of our fellow citizens were suppressed in their attempt to vote; that we know with certainty.

Thank you,
xxxxxxxxx
-----------------------

BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION; 24/7
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Rebecca Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:13 PM
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9. done
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:14 PM
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10. Done!
Thanks for this opportunity!
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:21 PM
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12. I'm a constituent AND i did it! n/t
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:24 PM
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13. Done!
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:34 PM
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14. it came back
My email I sent came back undeliverable.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 03:21 PM
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18. Same problem here. Either box full or disabled.
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feelthebreeze Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:01 PM
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22. My email went through with an auto response given in my box.
Personally had no problem getting it to his box.
The winds of change are blowing... do you feel the breeeze?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:57 PM
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15. done
Dear Congressman Sensenbrenner,

I write you this letter to request your help. Congressman John Conyers and his fellow House Judiciary Committee Democrats are calling for a full congressional investigation into the widespread voting irregularities which plagued the 2004 election. I ask that you join them in this important effort, to highlight and fully investigate the problems in Ohio and across the United States which disenfranchised innumerable voters. Being the Chairman of the Judiciary Commitee, you have the power to procede with hearings on this matter. I call on you to use your power to ensure the franchisement of the American people.
Voting is the single greatest factor in making this nation what it is. A nation where the power resides with the citizens. It is therefore imperative that all possible actions be taken to assure that each vote cast is counted as it was intended. Can you say this is true for our last election? If you cannot, then you must join us in investigating this Election.
Banks across the country have no problem counting every dollar. Our military can count every bullet. Why are we, the United States of America, the wealthiest nation on the planet, unable to count every vote? Why isn't every available resource put into assuring that which is the very foundation of our Democracy? Why do we have to accept voting irregularities?
These widespread voting irregularities which occurred in Ohio, Florida, New Mexico and other states across the country only serve to highlight a much greater problem. These are the tip of the iceberg. Errors so glaringly obvious that they were easily visible on the surface. Quickly discounted as 'glitches', we are told they could have no real effect on the outcome of the election. But the truth is, they cast this whole electoral process in doubt. The evidence gathered thus far is indicative of major malfunctions of our electoral process and demands a thorough investigation be conducted immediately. This investigation and it's resulting discoveries must be made before we can move on.
We cannot stand by and wait to fix this. We cannot let this go and hope to get it right next time. We must get it right now. Our election system must not have a cloud of doubt hanging over it. We must take the time and make the effort necessary to assure legitimacy and the faith of the people. We have the means and opportunity to do so through a full congressional inquiry. Now is your chance to stand with your fellow Americans and ask the questions which must be answered. Now is our chance to take the first step to correcting the problems plaguing our electoral process. These so called 'glitches' are real, live American voters whose votes were nullified. American voters with whom the power of this nation resides. Now is the time to stand for them.
Now is the time to stand up for America. We, the people, expect no less of you.

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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 03:01 PM
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16. I promise I will do my part!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 03:02 PM
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17. Thanks for the info! Will do! KICK!
And we'll send LETTER OF THE WEEK #3: Election Fraud

when it's completed.

See draft at: "Alternative Reality" - ignatzmouse

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=297687&mesg_id=298142
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 03:33 PM
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19. Done -- here's mine
Dear Congressman Sensenbrenner:

I am writing you today to request that you support Congressman John Conyers and other Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee in their question for a full congressional investigation into the widespread voting irregularities that took place in Ohio and other states on November 2, 2004. This should not be a partisan issue -- both Democrats and Republicans should support fair, open elections. How can we show other nations what democracy is and support them in their elections when we in this country cannot be sure that our own elections are fair and valid. It is vital that every voter who wants to vote can and that every vote cast is appropriately counted.

Many voters were disenfranchised at the polls -- they were either turned away outright or were forced to leave due to the long lines and lengthy wait times. Many people cannot afford the time to wait in line for hours -- they have family responsibilities and jobs and various other obligations that cannot wait.

In addition, there were activities that took place that kept people from the polls on November 2, such as flyers being sent out in certain Democratic areas that said that Republicans should vote on Tuesday and Democrats should vote on Wednesday. Granted, most people should have realized this was not true, however, many believed it and acted accordingly.

Secretary of State Blackwell did everything in his power to thwart Democratic votes from being cast or properly counted in this election. He shorted precincts on voting machines, he took his time certifying the vote so that the recount could not begin until the very last minute, etc. And, speaking of the recount, it was not conducted according to Ohio law in many, many precincts. What is the point of a recount if you're just repeating the same machine totals as before. A full hand recount was warranted. Also, all machines must have a voter verifiable paper trail. Electronic voting machines without a paper trail cannot be properly recounted.

I could go on and on, but I'm sure you get my point. It is time to have a full investigation into these and other irregularities so that we can begin to fix the system. It is time to have national, not state, standards for national elections. Everyone across our nation must vote in the same way and must have a proper paper ballot, verified by the voter. All of this fancy electronic voting equipment means nothing if a voter can't be sure that his or her vote registered for the candidate he or she wanted. Maybe it's time for "low tech" -- paper and pencil. We need an extended voting period so that all citizens can vote. Oregon got it right -- they use mail-in ballots only and they seemed to have no problems. Plenty of time to vote, paper trail, signature matching -- they have a model system. It's time we look at a system such as this.

Please, Congressman Sensennbrenner, it's time to leave partisan politics aside and stand up for the people, all of the people, and a full investigation and restructuring of our voting system is the only way all of the people will be confident that their votes count.

Thank you,
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 03:46 PM
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20. Why not fax or email the whole committee?
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 03:59 PM by Ojai Person
House Judicary Committee fax

Republicans: 202-225-7682

Democrats: 202-225-4423

HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

REPUBLICANS

Chairman:
Congressman James F. Sensenbrenner, Jr.
2449 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-4905
Telephone: (202) 225-5101
Fax: (202) 225-3190
sensenbrenner@mail.house.gov

Congressman Henry Hyde
2110 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-4561
Fax: (202) 225-1166
http://www.house.gov/hyde/get_address2.htm

Congressman Howard Coble
2468 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515-3306
Phone: (202) 225-3065
Fax: (202) 225-8611
howard.coble@mail.house.gov

Congressman Lamar Smith
2231 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-4321
(202) 225-4236
Fax: (202) 225-8628
http://lamarsmith.house.gov/contact.asp

Congressman Elton Gallegly
2427 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515-0523
Phone: (202) 225-5811
Fax: (202) 225-1100

Congressman Bob Goodlatte
2240 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-5431
(202) 225-9681 fax

Congressman Steve Chabot
129 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
(202) 225-2216
(202) 225-3012 (fax)
http://www.house.gov/chabot/email.html

Congressman Bill Jenkins
1207 Longworth Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone (202) 225-6356
Fax. (202) 225-5714

Congressman Chris Cannon
118 Cannon House
Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-7751
Fax: (202) 225-5629
cannon.ut03@mail.house.gov

Congressman Spencer Bachus
442 Cannon Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
202 225-4921 phone
202 225-2082 fax
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Congressman John Hostettler
1214 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
TEL: (202) 225-4636
FAX: (202) 225-3284
John.Hostettler@mail.house.gov

Congressman Mark Green
1314 Longworth Bldg.
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-5665
Fax: (202) 225-5729
mailto:mark.green@mail.house.gov

Congressman Ric Keller
419 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-0908
Phone: (202) 225-2176
Fax: (202) 225-0999


Congresswoman Melissa Hart
1508 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Ph. 202-225-2565
Fx. 202-226-2274
http://hart.house.gov/contact.asp

Congressman Jeff Flake
424 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-0301
(202) 225-2635 - phone
(202) 226-4386 – fax
jeff.flake@mail.house.gov

Congressman Mike Pence
1605 Longworth HOB
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-3021 office
(202) 225-3382 fax
http://www.house.gov/formpence/IMA/contact.htm

Congressman J. Randy Forbes
307 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-6365
Fax: 202-226-1170
http://www.house.gov/forbes/zipauth.htm

Congressman Steve King
1432 Longworth Office Building
Washington D.C. 20515
(202) 225-4426
Fax: (202) 225-3193
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Congressman John Carter
408 CHOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
(202) 225-3864
Fax: (202) 225-5886
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Congressman Tom Feeney
323 Cannon House Office Building
Washington DC 20515
phone:(202) 225-2706
fax:(202) 226-6299
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn
509 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
202-225-2811
202-225-3004 fax
http://www.house.gov/writerep/


DEMOCRATS

Congressman John Conyers, Jr.
2426 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-5126
(202) 225-0072 Fax
http://www.house.gov/conyers/letstalk.htm

Congressman Howard Berman
2221 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
(202) 225-4695
Fax: (202) 225-3196
http://www.house.gov/berman/contact/

Congressman Rick Boucher
2187 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
202-225-3861
202-225-0442(fax)
ninthnet@mail.house.gov

Congressman Jerrold Nadler
2334 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Tel. 202-225-5635
Fax: (202) 225-6923
http://www.house.gov/nadler/emailform.shtml

Congressman Bobby Scott
2464 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
(202) 225-8351 Phone
(202) 225-8354 Fax
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Congressman Mel Watt
2236 Rayburn H.O.B.
Washington, DC 20515-0001
Telephone (202) 225-1510
Fax (202) 225-1512
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren
102 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-0516
Phone: (202) 225-3072
Fax: (202) 225-3336
http://www.house.gov/lofgren/emailform.shtml

Congresswoman Sheila Jackson-Lee
2435 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-3816
(202) 225-3317 Fax
http://www.jacksonlee.house.gov/feedback.cfm?campaign=jacksonlee&type=Let%27s%
20Talk

Congresswoman Maxine Waters

2344 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
202-225-2201 phone
202-225-7854 fax
http://congress.org/congressorg/mail/?id=658&type=CO&state=CA

Congressman Marty Meehan
U.S. House of Congressmans
2229 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-3411
Fax: (202) 226-0771

Congressman Bill Delahunt
1317 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-3111
Fax: (202) 225-5658
William.Delahunt@mail.house.gov

Congressman Robert Wexler
213 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-3001
(202) 225-5974 FAX
http://www.house.gov/wexler/contact.htm

Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin
1022 Longworth Building
Washington DC 20515
(202) 225-2906
(202) 225-6942 Fax
http://www.house.gov/formbaldwin/IMA/get_address.htm

Congressman Anthony Weiner
1122 Longworth HOB
Washington DC 20515
(202) 225-6616
Fax: (202) 226-7253
weiner@mail.house.gov

Congressman Adam Schiff
326 Cannon HOB
Washington D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-4176
Facsimile: (202) 225-5828
http://www.house.gov/schiff/as_sub_contact.htm

Congresswoman Linda Sanchez
1007 Longworth Building
Washington, DC 20515
202-225-6676
Fax 202-226-1012
http://www.house.gov/lindasanchez/contact.shtml

Edited to add:

I copied this list of the internets and am not responsible for frownies by Feeney's info, although God knows he must deserve them.







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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:11 PM
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72. Include this in your letters: Federal laws broken. And please kick this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss//duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x300587
He will come back and say it's a state issue. Need to point out federal laws broken.
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feelthebreeze Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 03:50 PM
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21. Done my Brothers and Sisters!
The winds of change are blowing...do you feel the breeze?
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:31 PM
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23. Here is my letter to the committee and to each member:
Name, address, phone

January 21, 2005

Dear House Judiciary Committee:

My fourteen-year-old daughter and her friends are looking forward to voting in the next Presidential Election. Regardless of whether they choose to vote Democratic or Republican, I am afraid that if you do not take the opportunity offered now by Representative Conyers to investigate and restore integrity to our elections, there will be no voting in 2008. Instead, expect protest in the streets demanding that every citizen's vote count. Instead of campaigns to "Get Out the Vote" there will be angry riots demanding that "Every Vote Be Counted."

You may not realize how serious this is, but as you will know if you have read Rep. Conyers' 102-page report, there are grave allegations that need your attention, time and effort. This is the time to investigate these concerns and honestly repair the system so that these doubts never have to arise again.

It may not seem like it now, but how you are remembered in the future will depend on the courage and integrity you demonstrate in the present. Do not put off those who have been disenfranchised; do not smother those voices that tell of errors in the voting process, or those who contend that fraud may have taken place.

America is nothing without her Democracy. Please, act in a nonpartisan manner to investigate and correct these problems now. Not only your own future, but the future of our great nation both depend on it.

Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXXX

cc: all committee members; major media
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:52 PM
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33. Done and Kick it up!
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regularjoe Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:56 PM
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24. I faxed him
Dear Mr. Sensenbrenner:

Please support Mr. Conyers efforts to hold House Judiciary Committee hearings on the 2004 election and the many related irregularities, glitches, and possible instances of election fraud. As you probably know the Democratic Staff of the House Judiciary Committee has released a report detailing the widespread problems with the recent election, specifically as they concern the presidential race. (Available from <http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohiostatusrept1505.pdf>) The evidence contained within the report is a clear justification for exhaustive and swift investigation. Other politicians may abuse this issue but I do not believe that Mr. Conyers is doing so and I ask you to judge him separately. I urge you to see beyond partisanship and I appeal to your integrity for motivation to investigate. This effort is about protecting the very foundation of a true democracy. Please do not obstruct the efforts of the good and decent public servant, Mr. Conyers.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 05:28 PM
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25. Done and kick
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:11 PM
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26. kick nt
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:11 PM
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27. kick n/t
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:28 PM
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28. Done. And I will call and fax, too. n/t
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:28 PM
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29. Don't forget to write!
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:29 PM
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30. done.
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:21 PM
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31. Done.
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holomua Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:40 PM
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32. kick! eom
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:52 AM
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58. Welcome to DU holomua! nt
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:06 AM
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34. done n/t
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:16 AM
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35. kick nt
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torque Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:17 AM
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36. Done, kick! n/t
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:36 AM
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37. Thanks and welcome to DU torque! nt
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low_phreaq Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:47 AM
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38. Maybe Sensenbrenner will respond if we
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:56 AM
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39. Done!!!
Kick!
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 02:38 PM
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40. kick nt
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 03:00 PM
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41. will do
Thanks for the info and links.
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Coloradan4Truth Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 04:39 PM
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42. Done -
:kick: Kick!
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:46 PM
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43. Emailed and begged, but politely n/t
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StephanieMarie Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:52 PM
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44. Done. Here's my letter:
Hold the hearings please. Congressman Conyers is representing ALL Americans who had their vote suppressed, miscounted, or thrown out all together. For the sake of our Democracy, for the sake of all Americans, we need to have these hearings to fully investigate and expose to the light of day the problems with our 2004 election. Ignoring the problems will not make them go away. The problems will only surface again in ’06, ’08 and onward if we don’t do something NOW. Please agree to hold the hearings that Conyers has requested on the 2004 election.

Thank you,
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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:44 PM
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45. SEE The Nashua Advocate for the full text of this & other Conyers letters.
Thanks for the thread!

-- TNE
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low_phreaq Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:43 AM
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66. Link
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:53 PM
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46. Sensenbrenner's response
He sent me this in a snail mail letter dated Jan. 18, in response to my e-mail.

"Our current election system must be carefully reviewed. We must work together to ensure that voter fraud is weeded-out, that voting methods are clear and simple, and that our technology is sufficient to prohibit future arguments over voter intent. Overall, I am relieved that no large-scale problems with voter fraud occurred nationally, as we saw in Florida in the 2000 Presidential Election, and that the 2004 Presidential Election results were quickly determined.

The Constitution clearly states that each state has the authority to make laws pertaining to elections. Therefore, Congress should defer to the states to protect against voter fraud. You may wish to share your views on this topic with your State Senator, Alberta Darling at Room 316 South, State Capitol, PO Box 7882, Madison, WI 53707, or your State REpresentative, Curt Gielow, at Room 316 North, State Capitol, PO Box 8952, Madison, WI 53708.

Thanks again for sharing your concerns with me."

I guess he likes it the way it is.


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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:56 PM
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47. so we keep the pressure on
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:31 PM
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51. Welcome to DU postulater.
Well, he has a point and we should all write our state reps but this does not address Conyers' request to hold hearings.

From reading Conyers' remarks, it sounds like they may have a pretty good working relationship. I guess we'll see.
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:38 PM
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52. Got the same basic letter in early December
"He" (his office computer) sent me a reply very similar to yours, except he also mentioned tire-slashing in Milwaukee (some vans rented by Republicans had tires slashed on election day, and that is what they consider the most important aspect of election fraud). It looks like they don't change the form letter very often.
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low_phreaq Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:25 AM
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59. But Congress has the final say if states can't resolve disputes
Somebody posted this some time ago on DU, but I don't have the link to the post. Anyway, here's an excerpt from Justice Breyer's dissent in Bush v. Gore, when stating why the Court should not have heard the case:

To the contrary, the Twelfth Amendment commits to Congress the authority and responsibility to count electoral votes. A federal statute, the Electoral Count Act, enacted after the close 1876 Hayes-Tilden Presidential election, specifies that, after States have tried to resolve disputes (through “judicial” or other means), Congress is the body primarily authorized to resolve remaining disputes. See Electoral Count Act of 1887, 24 Stat. 373, 3 U.S.C. § 5 6, and 15.

The legislative history of the Act makes clear its intent to commit the power to resolve such disputes to Congress, rather than the courts:

“The two Houses are, by the Constitution, authorized to make the count of electoral votes. They can only count legal votes, and in doing so must determine, from the best evidence to be had, what are legal votes .... The power to determine rests with the two Houses, and there is no other constitutional tribunal.” H. Rep. No. 1638, 49th Cong., 1st Sess., 2 (1886) (report submitted by Rep. Caldwell, Select Committee on the Election of President and Vice-President).

The Member of Congress who introduced the Act added:

“The power to judge of the legality of the votes is a necessary consequent of the power to count. The existence of this power is of absolute necessity to the preservation of the Government. The interests of all the States in their relations to each other in the Federal Union demand that the ultimate tribunal to decide upon the election of President should be a constituent body, in which the States in their federal relationships and the people in their sovereign capacity should be represented.” 18 Cong. Rec. 30 (1886).

http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZD3.html

In the case of Ohio, could it be argued that because SOS Blackwell, either out of intent or incompetence, failed to resolve the many disputes there, it is up to Congress to do so?

Does this make sense, or will Sensenbrenner shred this one too?
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:39 AM
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64. Thanks, I think I'll write him again. n/t
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:55 AM
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60. Brother.
"No large-scale problems with voter fraud occurred nationally, as we saw in Florida in the 2000 Presidential election".

First of all, the problems in 2000 were concentrated in Florida. The issue there was whether or not the state could recount the votes. It was not even identified as "voter fraud"; it was whether or not the votes could be counted without violating "equal protection".

Either he is dense, uninformed, or playing dumb.
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:41 AM
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65. My guess?
Just playing dumb and trying to not accept the responsibility.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:07 PM
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71. SEE THIS THREAD for answer to his response and please kick it!
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:04 PM
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48. Done
Just sent an email stating that no one should be suppressed or not allowed to have their voices heard when voting theie choice of candidate.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:15 PM
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49. My letter (I hope it's not overboard)
There comes a moment in every government official’s life when he is presented an extraordinary opportunity to make a significant contribution to the lives of the people he serves: ensuring the sanctity of the vote for all Americans. In my humble opinion, the hearings on the 2004 election requested by Honorable Conyers is such an event.

While holding such an important office as yours, I am sure it cannot be easy to make a commitment as controversial as this, but you are a man of true character. As such, I pray with all my heart you will find the courage to set aside partisan differences, and do what is right for this country. I implore you to search your conscience and at least decide to give this issue the attention it needs and give us a fair shake. We depend on you for our lives.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:17 PM
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50. I snail-mailed today......
lifted info from post by darkworkz and sent letters to the other 3 reccommended in that post!
Dear Chairman Sensenbrenner,
It is with regret I feel the need to write you, and voice my concern regarding the Ohio Election Results. While the 2004 election has concluded, the doubts about our election systems loom large concerning any future contest. Just a few of the well-documented irregularities from the state of Ohio include
1. Unusually long lines in heavily democratic areas
2. Tabulating Irregularities
3. Voting Machine Malfunctions
4. Over-votes (statistically impossible)
5. Spoiled Ballots
6. Improper handling of provisional ballots.
And....these are but a few of the well-documented issues that continue to erode all confidence in our electoral process throughout our country, but particularly in Ohio. As the chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary I am sure you will agree, this critical matter needs to be resolved before any future election occurs.
It is to this end, that I encourage you to hold the full committee hearings that Representative Conyers has requested, and restore some integrity to the idea of the ‘consent of the governed’. Please, do not under-estimate the necessity of a deliberate and thorough investigation, in order for any meaningful remedy to repair this vital thread to our democracy. Thank You for all you do.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:39 PM
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53. Already done!
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xynthee Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:41 PM
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54. Done
I said I wanted the hearings so ". . . Those who are convinced there was fraud can finally have their suspicions put to rest. . . . "

I'm hoping he can identify with that. I don't know anything about the man, but as a Republican (sweeping generalization to follow), he's much less likely to care about the people who were screwed and the laws that were broken than he is about the uproar caused by wacky conspiracy theorists like us!

Whatever the reason, I want Conyers to get his freakin' hearings!!

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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:53 PM
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55. We all should REALLY be deluging his office with thousands of letters
I think we have proven how effective that can be.
Would it be dishonest of me if I sent out 10 letters to his office?
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:19 PM
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56. This is the right move to make!
And if you want some more reasons, this guy over here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=299227&mesg_id=299227

...explaints it far better than I can.

Warm up your writing hand (remember that hand written letters are taken more seriously than printed ones) and get that mail moving!
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feelthebreeze Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:44 PM
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57. kick
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:08 AM
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61. I e-mailed and said the GOP is obviously a bunch of bigots,
if they don't care about minority voters enough to hold hearings and investigation this election.

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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:15 AM
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62. A more helpful approach is needed...
...for one, handwritten letters trump printed letters. Printed letters trump e-mails.

Lastly, when you insult them, you kill their desire to be nice, if any exists. Don't give them an excuse to spite us, be polite, sound patriotic (you are, right?) and encourage them to defend the republic and our democratic right to vote. Keep a positive spin to everything, dazzle them with words so poetic and patriotic that they can see the star spangled banner waving behind them as they join hands with Conyers and his investigation.

Your mind is a deadly weapon when you put it to proper use :evilgrin:
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low_phreaq Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:25 AM
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63. This could be of use
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:29 PM
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67. Kick, contact Sensenbrenner
:kick:
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:50 PM
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68. People, get involved contact this guy
We need hearings started ASAP. With it comes subpoena authority and full and thorough investigations. We need the election system overhauled by 2006.

Get busy!
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Bubblie Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:23 PM
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69. Done!
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:57 PM
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70. Question on phone calls
If I'm not a resident of the Representatives home state,
in this case Wisconsin will they object to me phoning
my voice in? I'm sure they won't object but does
my call have any weight to it still?

Wondering as when I call if this question should come up,
what do I answer with...
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:21 PM
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73. A really great letter to Sensenbrenner written by a friend
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:54 PM
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74. done (nt)
nt
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:38 PM
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75. Will do. But didn't S "promise" he'd call hearings at the
beginning of the new Congress? I'm sure of it. I'll track down his statement. I'm sure it was a ploy to distract attention from Conyers' work, point out that Conyers lacks real authority, etc. But, he said it. So, let's hold him to it!
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:27 AM
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76. Found my own answer: Robert Ney, not Sensenbrenner.
Ney was the guy who was poo-pooing Conyers' forums as inappropriate and promised to get more substantive hearings off the ground early in this session. Hah. But while Ney is an obstacle, Sensenbrenner may actually be a conduit to starting something. He and Conyers seem to work fairly well together.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:58 AM
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77. Fairly well together
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 02:00 AM by Bill Bored
I hope you're not just repeating what I said about this, because I don't know Jack! :) But it seemed that way from reading Conyers' interview.

Anyway, speaking of Ney, HE IS THE GUY who heads the House Administration Committee, and is actually Senate Rules Committee Chairman Trent Lott's counterpart in the House. Both of these guys can and probably have blocked verified voting legislation in their respective committees and have therefore brought this whole mess on themselves along with Frist, Hastert, DeLay and Mitch McConnell.

So I hope we will all write to them too, about the Voter-verified Paper Ballots and random auditis needed to verify the vote.
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:09 PM
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79. Fear not! I got it from reading news items
S is not a neo-con. He's an old-fashioned "small government, fiscal conservative." But also fair, willing to listen. He and Conyers had Ashcroft on the ropes over the Patriot Act (can't remember how Ashcroft wiggled out of not testifying...). And S voted in favor of Voting Rights. I'm not sure he gets the memos from the neo-cons. Pretty independent. So, if the issue's correctly drawn and he knows he should act, I bet he will. But that's why it's important to break through his "this is a matter for the states" thing.

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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:30 AM
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78. kick
:kick:
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