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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:29 PM
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Conyers points DU toward Sensenbrenner
In this article http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=567 Representative Conyers tell us that it is Chairman Sensenbrenner that attention should be focused on. Read this quote from the article:

"Conyers: I don't expect them to fully support it. All I have to do is persuade chairman Sensenbrenner that it is in all of our best interests and that he support it because he can unilaterally grant the hearings."

Ok, let's pause at this point and expand the picture to get a broader view of the landscape. This will help with the context in which Conyers makes the above statement.

For four years the neoCons have held a death grip, so to speak, on the MSM. Most can agree upon that. Some believe that this hold has been due to some short sightedness on the part of the MSM and nothing more.

It is said that fewer than 50 people control all of the MSM in the U.S. This is done through cross pollinated boards of directors. This small group of people dictate what does and does not reach the print, radio, and television. If the above is true then what portion of the administrations actions are they not aware of? If the above is true then not only are they aware of the actions but have consciously withheld information from the "consuming" public. If these things are fact, and I'm not saying they are, then how can information sent to the MSM educate them on what they already know?

Next lets delve into power; who has it now and do they know how to use it? Well, base upon the visible cracks in the now recognized MSM "blindness" veil, and how those cracks came about, the obvious answer would be the "people". How, in the briefest space possible, can this be proven? One could say Boxers statements were proof. One could also say the MSM talking heads statements at the inauguration - referencing the two separate crowds size and visible disapproval of the inaugurie. Also, there was the matter of the election contest. All of these "break throughs" came about through the direct action of the "people". So that's a strong indicator that the power now rests with the people.

If the power does indeed rest with the people, wouldn't that indicate a rapid shift and explain some of the remarks and actions from those that used to have it?

Looking once again at the media. Why would you want to educate someone that has proven to not work in your best interest? If you do have the power wouldn't you want to exercise it in a way that brings those things that you want, and like, back into some order that you can recognize?

Think of it like this - let's say you've got an unruly child. The child is constantly acting up. You've got a couple of options, you can a) let the child continue with the unruly behavior (b) punish the child thus forcing him/her to understand that your not pleased with the action and your correction, in the end, alters the behavior.

But how you may ask, can you punish the MSM yet still get your message out? Well change the focus of your approach to them. You could stop speaking to them (no editorials). Cancel subscriptions. Send them a final message that you no longer watch their channel until they do X. And this will force them to get their information from the true target that you're after. Which we'll get to in just a moment.

Now comes the issue of "how to wield power". There are a ton of good ideas going around right now. What to do. How to do "it". Who to contact. So forth and so on. What quite a few have neglected in the rush of new strength, is figure out timelines. In other words - what do you want done and how soon do you want it to happen?

Let's say you want 3 things (just examples): 1 - environment 2 - economy 3 - * out of office. 3 good things in the minds of most. Well first you should figure out which you want first, so we'll organize them from "need done right now" to "ASAP". So we'll say that #3 is "need done right now". Fine. How do you use the power you've got to do that? Do you send letters to the MSM? Do you drive to the local union hall and have a meeting? Or do you figure out who in the structure that he's (*) in that holds the keys to unseating him? I think it's that last one, you be the judge. So if this is the case that should be the target of focus, right?

After a long journey we finally get back to the Conyers interview. Conyers mentions Sensenbrenner by name twice and once as chairman of the committee in the article. Conyers states that he's sending the chairman a letter requesting full committee hearings on the Ohio matter. Well what's so important about Ohio? (Sure, I know this is a stupid question) In the Judiciary committee the Ohio matter is the first step toward impeachment, if you didn't know. The Ohio matter is being held up by very weak players (i.e. Ken Blackwell) that have direct connections to *. If the Judiciary committee breaks through in Ohio that is a very short path to the steps of the White House. And a few guys whose names I won't mention here getting new suites, color orange, evicted with new fashion accessories.

Sure, the filibuster of 2 * appointees is great! More noise = more MSM coverage. But remember how it's breaking through on them. It's not coming from you, it's coming from the "top" down on them and they have to "report" it. So change the game. Come from the top down all the time. Go around them, hit the people they "have" to cover and then they'll have to publish the facts.

Sorry about that - The issue is focus the attack on the "weakest link". If Conyers is writing a letter to Sensenbrenner requesting hearings on Ohio, why not you? Mind you this doesn't mean stop sending letters to (insert name of kick ass progressive) but learn to focus on that point that helps you achieve the end you need done "now"! If you send that "focal point" the same letter week in and week out, what's the big deal? As long as the message is received loud and clear is the issue.

Before concluding this post I'd like to point out something that a few might not know. You've heard politicians say quite a bit about polls? Well polls are the only way, for the past 2 decades, that politicians have had to gage public interest or reaction toward the actions they might take. One of the reasons this is the case is the death of the party "machines" in the late 70's early 80's. The city block, district, city, county, state, political machines that once ran politics in the USA all but disappeared in that time. The replacement was commercials and NPO's that did / do...what? Most don't know. What you're doing now is recapturing the power aspect that the machine once exercised and you're doing it directly, sans intermediary. Only thing you've got to learn is how to focus, and once you do you'll be amazed how fast the things you want to happen, happen.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:37 PM
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1. Thank you.
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:41 PM
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3. just calling it like I see it. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:41 PM
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2. Yessss.... Want to see some of those fashion accessories at play!
Hurry please hurry wheels of justice!
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:42 PM
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4. them wheels'll only turn as fast as you make them. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:45 PM
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5. Those wheels bought and paid for by corporate America!
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:50 PM
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6. heh. Recent change that no longer applies.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:06 AM
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8. Who said...
The wheels of justice turn very slowly but grind exceedingly fine?

-Hoot
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:55 PM
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7. excellent points.....welcome on board!
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low_phreaq Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:17 AM
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9. Sensenbrenner contact info
http://www.house.gov/sensenbrenner/contact.htm

Brookfield Office

120 Bishops Way, Room 154
Brookfield, WI 53005-6294
Telephone: (262) 784-1111

Outside the Milwaukee Metro calling area, call my toll-free HOTLINE number: 1-800-242-1119.

Washington, D.C. Office

2449 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-4905
Telephone: (202) 225-5101

My e-mail address is:

sensenbrenner@mail.house.gov

If you contact me through e-mail, please include your postal mailing address and phone number.
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:23 AM
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10. DU letter of the week has "talking points".
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:53 AM
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12. Sweet, flood his office with investigation support!
Yeah!
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:31 AM
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43. Sent him an e-mail
subject:

Please support Ohio investigation

body:

In order to assure the credibility of elections in this country, it is vitally important to investigate what happened in Ohio in the 2004 election. If officials such as Blackwell are permitted to serve as examples of Republican behavior, the GOP will suffer a serious stain on its reputation. If crimes were committed, they will harm the legitimacy of the government in general, and the Republican party in particular, unless the guilty persons are prosecuted, preferably by reputable members of the Republican party, such as yourself
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:43 AM
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44. Sensenbrenner FAX nos.
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 11:49 AM by Peace Patriot
I dug up fax nos. for Sensenbrenner and for maj. Repub. and min. Dem. committees. If you fax, try Repub. Committee fax first, marked with ** below; use his office fax as backup (in case lines are jambed).

Representative F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R - WI05)
202-225-5101
*Fax 202-225-3190
sensenbrenner@mail.house.gov

District Office:
120 Bishops Way, Room 154
Brookfield, WI 53005-6294
Voice: 262-784-1111
FAX: Not Currently Available

House Committee on the Judiciary

Committee contact (Repub.-address to Sensenbrenner & Committee) :
202-225-3951
**Fax 202-225-7682

Committee contact (Dem-address to John Conyers & Comm.):
202-225-6504
Fax 202-225-4423

(Then, cc the members of you want. I'm working on a list of tel/fax/email for this Committee. They're listed at: )

http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:48 AM
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11. shameless kick n/t
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:53 AM
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13. Come on Wisconsinites, let's go
We've got a better chance of being read! Sic em!
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:41 AM
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19. We're on it. Make sure you call though. Tie up the phones.
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vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:39 PM
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46. Fax numbers
Here is the fax for his home office: 262-784-9437

Being a Wisconsinite, I faxed there for good measure as well as to his DC # (202-225-3190).
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:56 AM
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14. Here is an earlier thread with letters and fax and e for all HJC members:
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:57 AM
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15. not sure about this group...
But they might be interested in helping.

http://backbonecampaign.org/

Anyone know who they are?
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jdog Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:02 AM
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16. Beautiful analysis - thank you! n/t
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torque Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:02 AM
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17. We are the "Ownership Society"
"What do we do now?" "What do we do next" These are questions we see everywhere. Why? Because we have forgotten how our system works. We have forgotten in whose name our officials work. We have forgotten that it is "we" who power the wheels. Thus we have forgotten how to engage our power.

We own and rule the pResident and Vice pResident. We own and rule the cabinet members. We own and rule the Congress. We own and rule everyone and everything in the USA, as we are it's peoples. We own them, we will decide who, when and how we divorce them. What are we waiting for? Engage.

Be the Bush opposition 24/7
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 02:15 AM
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24. Damn straight!
And don't forget, even many Republicans believe in the rule of law and representation, it's a simple matter of logical words and massive turnouts and letter campaigns to force them to recognize it!
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:34 AM
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18. Agreed and here's an example:
Consider that there are only 6 reps in the whole US Congress who have the authority to block verified voting legislation: Frist, Hastert, Ney, Lott, McConnell and DeLay. And they have done it at least 5 times since May 2003. Now you may be asking yourself at this point, "Who the hell do they think they are?", and you'd be right! They are a little over 1% of the House and Senate but they run the Committees and/or they decide what comes to a vote on the floor and what doesn't. Just 6 people. That's it!

When you think about it in those terms, it looks easy. Let's face it, most people don't write to the government until they get a parking ticket! Imagine what a blizzard of letters might do, if it's aimed squarely at those who have obstructed this legislation. Screw the media (although they could be helpful if they wanted to)!

See these threads:

Tell the Republicans they brought it on themselves!:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x264034>

Sample Letter:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x277831>

Now if at the same time, you also want to support those on our side, go ahead! There are actually a bit more of those. They spoke up on Jan 6. But only the 6 above can OBSTRUCT this legislation in Congress.

For any other bills, there are no more than 6 who can block those. Only the Committee Chairs might be different. Take Sensenbrenner for example. He chairs the Judiciary Committee. Different issues there. Voting rights, impeachment, etc. So to investigate Ohio, write to him!

See this thread:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x298111>

Until we do these things, we can't complain that no one's listening can we?
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torque Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:47 AM
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20. Thanks for supporting facts
Individuals acting en masse... At DU, VR, etc. we are seeing great mobilizations of our focused power. We are done talking the talk. They have been sworn in and now we own them. We are the ownership society.

In deed we choose to divorce them. Engage.

Be the Bush opposition 24/7
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:59 AM
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23. Welcome Newbie "Torque!"
Welcome you "energy" and thoughts! :hi:
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:49 AM
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21. You are exactly right! n/t
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:52 AM
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22. Great post. Kick!
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eaglenetsupport Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 02:45 AM
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25. Conyers points DU toward Sensenbrenner
First rate analysis. Before any problem can be worked the most important factor is defining the problem. Detailed analysis is a key ingredient to achieving a viable plan, lest we get all blogged down in nanodust.

You should be on the Counsel.
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 03:14 AM
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26. Sensenbrenner
ain't gonna do anything. And if he did they'd remove him as chairman just as they did to the chairmen of the ethics and vets affarir committees.
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torque Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:22 AM
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27. Sensenbrenner has diminishing choices...
Forget the age-old, top-down political structures of yesteryear. Power can come from influence and pressures exerted real-time, from the bottom up nowadays. Thanks to our networks known as the internet, phones, and faxes, we can be involved in the decision making processes right now. Sensenbrenner is beholding to his constiuents in the end. And (*) knows and fears that.

We are each an equal node capable of instant communication, therefore we have the potential to exert massive directed pressures on those we sElect. We have made that example Jan. 6, 2005 when we engaged as one and changed American history. And (*) knows and fears that.

We can and should use this power immediately and repeatedly to entangle (*) in their lies and corruption. Like a swarm of worker bees each node will contribute to the removal of their weakened defense. Like a massive gill net we will help to ensnarl the criminals in the factual evidence of their crimes. We own and rule them directly if we are organized into one. And we know that.

Be the opposition 24/7. We own and rule them.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:05 AM
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28. Fine. MSM would have to cover that, too. We target the chair
whoEVER that is.
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low_phreaq Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:23 AM
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29. Maybe he'll respond to possible Dem fraud in WI?
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:40 AM
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30. Excellent post, darkworkz!
You have a way with words. And you are right about the ability to influence these people. While we see this huge, nefarious plan to suppress democracy, we need to remember that it is made up of mere individuals, some of whom ARE nafarious, but most are probably just doing what they think they are supposed to be doing. We CAN influence these people, just as we did Boxer, who would not have voted to contest the Ohio vote had it not been for us. It may not be as easy to get someone like Sensenbrenner to cooperate, but if we are careful and honest and fair when we contact him, I think we can.

We need to focus on his responsibility as Chairman to support investigations, regardless of partisanship. We need to be careful in our letters/calls to him and appeal to the positive issues of integrity and democracy, not the negative side like Blackwell sucks and Bush is evil...
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:46 PM
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31. Here's my letter to Sensenbrenner...
(I tried to appeal to his sense of duty & decency):

Dear Rep. Sensenbrenner;

Please support Rep. John Conyers' request that the House Judiciary Committee use its oversight powers to examine the voting irregularities of the 2004 election. It is important to evaluate the problems now so that they can be corrected for future elections.

We citizens need to know that our voice will be heard & will be counted through our voting system. It is the one way we can hold our elected officials accountable, & we treasure that priviledge. We consider it as a citizens' right to be able to vote & to have our votes counted correctly.

It is our hope that hearings by the House Judiciary Committee will lead to much-needed election reform. Please help to restore our confidence in the voting process by agreeing to look into the serious problems of the 2004 elections.

Thank you,
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:11 PM
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32. KICK! n/t
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 01:23 PM
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33. My letter has been sent.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 02:12 PM
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34. Write and point out that Blackwell broke Federal Laws in the cover-up!
He may say that Ohio Laws are none of the Committee's business, but Blackwell broke Federal Laws in the "re-count" (cover-up). What is he hiding?
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:42 PM
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35. Kick-ola! Remember, Blackwell IS the WEAKEST LINK! n/t
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:45 PM
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36. Calling him ........ kicking it
:kick:
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:26 AM
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37. Kicking it again! Sensenbrenner's mailbox should overfill! n/t
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:06 AM
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38. A really great letter to Sensenbrenner written by a friend
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:32 AM
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39. The link doesn't work, Gettysberg.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:37 AM
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41. Oops! Thanks! Here's the correct link. (Too late to edit)
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:54 AM
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40. I e-mailed him already. Got automated response immediately, so far.
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 12:55 AM by rumpel
on edit

I pointed out that voters and cnadidates were unhappy in Ohio and Washington to point out it is a non-partisan issue.
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OKJackson Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:18 AM
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42. Snail mail my friend, snail mail
E-mails don't count for much, printed letters are better and hand written letters blow them away. Don't rely on e-mail, you might as well not do anything at that point. Use snail mail with a hand written letter my friend!
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:05 PM
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45. Sent snail mail today...
Called the office to verify the address and they informed me that an email would be responded to quicker and they preferred that method due to security. I felt that I should do both, so I sent an email and a letter, too.
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 04:17 PM
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47. shameless self kick!!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 04:41 PM
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48. Excellent post; just did a follow-up call to the letter I sent....
Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 04:42 PM by understandinglife
....Congressman Sensenbrenner urging him to stand 'shoulder-to-shoulder' with Congressman Conyers an investigate all aspects of of allegations of disenfranchisement and fraud in the 2004 National election.

Congressman Sensenbrenner's DC phone number: (202) 225-5101


BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION;24/7
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 05:18 PM
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49. kick
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 05:31 PM
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50. Done
:kick:
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