Olbermann: "It Ain't Over Yet"

[Jack_Dawson]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

God PLEASE can this story gain traction outside of DU and Greg Palast?

[cdp]

1. Olbermann

carries 1000 more weight than Michael Moore. To most people, MM is incredibly biased, while KO is not.

[Bridget Burke]

3. No, most people do not consider Michael Moore "incredibly biased"

You're quite wrong.

Oh, most "Republican" people?

[cdp]

11. no, most people

You know, the ones that just elected Bush?
Hey, I didn't vote for Bush. I just think that it is time that to except the fact that Michael Moore isn't going to change anyone's mind. He, like Rush, preaches to the choir.

[Bridget Burke]

16. Why did you choose this article as an excuse to slam Michael Moore?

Just a way for us to get to know you better?

[cdp]

19. this is far from a slam

TV Nation and the Awful Truth are some of my favorite TV shows ever. MM's movies are more heavy handed, and that turns a lot of people off. I think Democrats need to learn that it is not what you say, but how you say it (and also, WHO is saying it). This entire election is confirmation of this. If people here want to get the election fraud theories out there, they need someone like Olbermann, not someone like Moore. That's all I was trying to say.

[progressivebydesign]

33. Because you're new here.. people will jump on your every word..

.. they think unmasking a potential "freeper" is like a pissing contest. They all want to be first!

I have over 6k posts here, and I do see your point about Michael Moore. I like his stuff.. but he has definitely been villified and marginalized by the right. I think Olbermann has a much broader audience, and is less threatening to the weenies on the right. When trying to get this issue of voter fraud out there, it's better not to hitch our star on someone who was such a polarizing figure during the election. Moore does great things.. but we have to try other voices right now, too.

Welcome to DU. Posting those first posts is a trial by fire around here... hope you've got the suggested asbestos undies. :hi:

[9119495]

145. I think you make a good point here too.

If the election went for Kerry and Limbaugh was saying there was massive fraud, none of us would pay any attention. We'd say, "there he goes again," and "What a fucker!"

Is MM the same as Limbaugh? Good god no! But those on the right feel he is a lying propagandist--and we'd happily apply those names to Limbaugh. Olberman could not get those labels from either side at this point.

[KurtNYC]

62. Just a side note - Moore is not a Democrat

he opened for Nader back in Nader's 2000 tour.

Newsflash: People on the Right don't pick our spokespeople. They have demonized Moore because they can't argue with his facts. They can't even discuss what is in his movies because it aint the "bias" that does the damage to their POV -- it is the facts.

For example, when Bush calls his base the "haves and the have mores" that is a fact. It came out of Bush's mouth and I don't care if Michael Moore put that clip in his film, I don't care if Jon Lovitz liar character puts it in a film -- IT HAPPENED.

[saracat]

93. Hey sidenote, FYI , he has always been a Dem

The greenies were pissed when they found out that though he supported Nader, he never changed his registration!

[TheDebbieDee]

94. KurtNYC is right! We shouldn't allow the people on the right....

to pick our spokespeople. Only whipped puppies would allow that - oh, wait.

[Name removed]

77. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

78. "heavy handed"?

I fail to see that in Moore's movies.

He has an interesting and fresh way of presenting reality.

How much more do Americans need their reality sugar-coated? How wussy are we?

Frankly, I find lying to the people and sending youngsters to die in an invasion of a country that had no bitch with us a fine definition of "heavy-handed."

[Chimpanzee]

102. "This entire election is confirmation of this."

No, the election was confirmation of voter fraud on a grand scale. And I think it's cooking right now and the cover is about to blow off the top.

[Pallas180]

112. CDP - Moore's moveis turned a lot of people ON - woke em up

pointed out the lies.

[Sheila Samples]

118. Moore hasn't given up...

PBS and Michael Moore have lots and lots of URLs and discussion. Moore had a US map, where you can click on the state, and all the irregularities within that state are listed...

http://michaelmoore.com/electionwatch/index.php

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=15350

Here's a few more that are heartening...

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php

http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm#FL

http://stolenelection.net/

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/08/1513252

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm

[NVMojo]

140. yeah, I guess the fecking truth is heavy handed.

like watching our troops blow up Iraq. Like watching the other news media clips in there were heavyhanded. Gee, the truth is heavy handed. Let's bring out the sugar, kids.

[shelley806]

58. I think you should take the time to consider that we did NOT ELECT

B*. HE TOOK THE ELECTION FRAUDULENTLY!

[wildwww2]

137. Thanks for the main fact that needed to be injected into this thread.

Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[cubsfan forever]

142. Hmmm

you said "'except'" the fact that Michael Moore...preaches to the choir." That means you say that it's time to exclude the fact.
Oh, you meant "accept." Sorry, but sometimes we accidentally say what we really mean, as you just did.

Professor 2

[mutius]

91. Most people

Most people known, Michael Moore knows that the chimp is a fraud and a dummy. So they try and make MM out to be anti-American. But I know Micheal Moore has Bush's number:toast:

[Ducks In A Row]

35. Olbermann is a coward he is backing down from this story

Moore will never back down.

You need to get a clue.

[Jack_Dawson]

42. "Backing Down" Link?

[Virginian]

107. He did not back down, he opened with it

on his show tonight.

[Cha]

82. Michael Moore tells the truth..

some people can't handle that.

[intheflow]

90. Welcome to DU, cdp!

You've built quite a thread for a newcomer! Interesting & useful read all the way through. Thanks! :hi:

PS: I agree with you on MM. Love him myself, but have many family and friends who shut down immeidately upon hearing the name. His voice is valid, but other voices need to be heard as well.

[Chimpanzee]

103. Remember those other chimps of yore

See no Evil, Hear no Evil, and Speak no Evil?

That's why repukes don't like MM. Hell, I've never talked to (and I've talked to many online and in person) any repuke that even saw F911. They would say, 'what's the point - he's a @#$%% liar so why should I give him any money'?

[NVMojo]

139. too bad MM has to be slammed for someone to promote another speaker

sounds so ...republican..

[Paradise]

2. well, surely, we can keep it going... n/t

[shtinkycat]

4. Just wrote to K.O

and asked (begged) him to pursue the story. Courage! So sorely lacking in the media.

[lovedems]

5. Me too.

Everyone should send him an email.

[Jo March]

6. I emailed him too

I think that we should be emailing everyone we possibly can but starting with Keith cause he's the greatest. :)

[0007]

126. As I did also, we need a light, we need a fighter and Keith may be

the man that will fire up the base.

[Dogmudgeon]

7. Talk about your cans of Whoop-Ass

If the Ohio results show Kerry won, it will be a New, Improved bloodbath.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

--bkl

[roseBudd]

8. Contact Cincinnati Enquirer editor Ron Leibau about Warren County vote

Ron Liebau
(M-F, 9 a.m.-6 p.m.) Local News [e-mail] 513-768-8396

and

Dan Sewell
(M-F, 8 a.m.-5 p.m.) Ohio Suburban Chief [e-mail] 513-755-4142

and

Dan Horn
(M-F, 9 a.m.-6 p.m.) Federal agencies, courts [e-mail] 513-768-8619

[roseBudd]

12. Then contact Dayton Daily News

DDN is owned by Cox. Knight Ridder owned papers have been more critical of Bush admin on Iraq. It may be a good idea to contact Knight Ridder also.

NEWS EDITORS
John Erickson, Asst. Managing Editor/projects and government
[phone]
[e-mail]
Vince McKelvey, Public affairs editor
[phone]
[e-mail]
Chris Celek, Regional Editor
[phone]
[e-mail]
Doug Page, Miami Co. Editor
[phone]
[e-mail]
Jim Dillon, Business Editor
[phone]
[e-mail]
James Lloyd, Multimedia Editor
[phone]
[e-mail]
Ellen Belcher, Editorial Page Editor
[phone]
[e-mail]
Laurie Denger, Community News Editor
[phone]
[e-mail]
Frazier Smith, Night Local Editor
[phone]
[e-mail]
Hal Davis, Asst. Local Editor
[phone]
[e-mail]
Steve Bennish, Asst. Regional News editor
[phone]
[e-mail]
Jana Collier, Assistant Managing Editor/Production
[phone]
[e-mail]
Steve Roberts, News Editor
[phone]
[e-mail]

Important Editorial Numbers
Metro desk [phone]

[roseBudd]

13. Then contact Plain Dealer and Toledo Blade

[hangloose]

25. Good Idea I will do just that!

[roseBudd]

36. Newspapers want the scoop and playing Ohio papers against each

other may be the ticket.

Anyone know what the closest Knight Ridder paper is to Ohio?

Anyone have relevant contacts at NY Times?

[liberalhistorian]

80. The Akron Beacon Journal

is a Knight Ridder paper, but it's turned to shit these past few years so that it's not even a ghost of its former self. It used to be known for this kind of courageous, unafraid, investigative reporting (in fact, it won two Pulitzer Prizes for it in the past), but it's all corporatized now. There's no way it would give a shit or even pretend to.

[DeadManInc]

89. Knight Ridder

The Beacon Journal carried the 3 part series about the Iraq war in their paper.

[indigobusiness]

9. He's doing his part

What a guy!

[Eurobabe]

10. he's my new hero!

[slor]

14. God Bless "COUNTDOWN"! n/t

[tngledwebb]

15. But why is this issue given the CT tag?

This weeks media spin is to say 'tinfoil' and 'internet' CT w/every mention of voting fraud, Olbermann no exception. But voting fraud 2000 was REAL, accepted by most Dems, and should have been investigated by Congress right away. Why a CT label now, and not then? The fraud was epidemic this time, all over the country, and Kerry campaign and corporate media have not even whispered the word...

And note how Olberman qualifies the issue and pulls a few punches in the last couple of paragraphs.

[Oak2004]

127. Remember there's this guy named Karl Rove

and among his specialties are spin and slander?

If I were going to try to discredit the stories of election rigging, I'd start by calling it "conspiracy theory" and question the sanity of anyone involved with it.

Of course it's not conspiracy theory. Vote fraud is as American as apple pie. Our criminal statutes know about it and punish it. Very credible computer experts have been warning us for some time now that computerized voting is vulnerable to fraud on a scale that makes old fashioned ballot stuffing look like a boy scout activity. The Republican Party has a reputation for dirty politics, Grover Norquest has said that his goal is to marginalize Democrats and create a one-party state, Rove has long been suspected of illegal activities, and there's no doubt that the freeper element will do anything to win.

None of this invokes the CIA, UFOs, or chemtrails. Nobody is claiming the election was faked on a sound stage hidden away in Area 51. We've got evidence of the kind of crime that has plagued democratic systems ever since the first human thought up voting. We've got suspects with the motive, means, and opportunity.

This ain't conspiracy theory, this is just a little bit short of a criminal indictment. But Karl Rove really doesn't want you to think about that.

[rock]

17. "having photographers or reporters present..."

"could have interfered with the count." Let's see, having someone watch you would cause you to get a different answer. I see.

[Ganja Ninja]

18. I'm glad he mentioned Florida.

I've done some checking on my own, comparing the registered voter statistics vs the election results. There are certain counties where Democrats and Republican's are registered basically 50/50 and Bush gets 75% of the vote. Something doesn't seem right.

[NJ_Lib]

20. Most of my own "friends" are turning on me when I even mention

the word "fraud"... Yesterday a good friend said I should stop all this nonsense and just face facts... And this is coming from a Democrat!

Then today another friend calls me up to tell me she spoke with friend A last night and they are now both really worried about me...

What's next, an intervention?

[Jack_Dawson]

21. Keep up the good work!

And welcome to DU! You've found a home for like-minded people.

:hi:

[crispini]

23. It's all in the way you mention it.

Don't come out and say "I know fraud happened."

Say, "There are a lot of things out there that are making me worried."

Then hand them the letter from the House Judiciary Committee to the GAO and have them read it.

[intheflow]

83. This is true.

I had this very conversation with my minister today about how we could get the idea of illegal election information out through our churches' social action network. He agreed it is information that should be disseminated, but suggested that the word fraud be avoided. Worry is normal; fraud takes some digestion to sink in.

Heard Franken using this more cautious approach today, too, on AAR, saying something like, "We want to be very careful before we accuse anyone of fraud, but we've been getting emails and phone calls with questions..."

Lesson 1: Be nice. Talk so the listener can "hear" you. :)
Lesson 2: Keep emailing media outlets to pick the story up. :thumbsup:

[cdp]

24. exactly

Send them a link to the Olbermann page. Ask your friends if they are worried about him too.

[Chelsea Patriot]

27. Maybe it's a Red Kool-ade intervention that you really need?

I'm really worried about you too.

[NJ_Lib]

31. Oh, yeah, and if one more person asks me

"Are you OK"? I am going to get violent... No, you morons, I am not OK... Now run off to the mall and let ME worry about your democracy...

Thanks for the warm welcome...

It is sooo good to be here...


:D

[Jack_Dawson]

38. "Now run off to the mall" LOL!!!

Great fucking line. I've been feeling that way all week. I'm outraged but everyone else is like, "Oh well what can you do, right?" I want to throttle people.

[txindy]

59. Exactly right

I was told to "Get a life!" That's exactly what I'm trying to do since I don't consider existing under fascism much of a life. Sheesh. :eyes:

[tavalon]

109. Amen to that one!

LOL

[faithnotgreed]

70. good for you! this is crucial, our democracy, so im glad youre not

going to "just get over it". keep fighting the good fight and of course you know youve got a lot of friends here

[KurtNYC]

63. They will offer you some Kool Aid

don't drink it!!

There was a poll before the election. They asked who you would vote for - 50/50 split. Then they asked who would be inaugarated and it was about 75/25 in favor of Bush. In other words Dems expected to lose or be ripped off.

[Chimpanzee]

106. probably a concentration camp for all of us - Gitmo

[Pacifist Patriot]

46. I have no doubt Kerry won Florida, but have to admit....

my certainty is faith based. ;-)

Something definitely stinks in Florida and it's not moldy plywood.

[hangloose]

22. Please e-mail your comments to olbermann

After reading your post I did just that and provided links to sites where he could find more information. I encourage all of you to do the same thing, let Keith know there is a growing movement intent on getting answers. Do it today!!!

Cheers

[Pacifist Patriot]

49. Done!

[GoblinToe]

26. Keith rocks!

I've been avoiding the mainstream media for the last week, but I'm definitely going to watch his show this evening.

This man deserves credit for running with the Truth, when the rest of the media is scared shitless of it.

Is the truth too much to ask? That is the medias damn JOB for crying out loud. DO-YOUR-JOB.

A huge thank you to, Keith Oldbermann! He's a HERO amongst a legion of cowards.

[DainBramaged]

28. If you don't watch his show, you're missing out on the best real news

On TV. Next to Jon Stweart, no one in the media holds a candle to Olbermann. And he is the ONLY unabashed Liberal on TV.

[Jack_Dawson]

29. Is he an unabashed lib or just a reporter

doing his job?

[DainBramaged]

30. Watch his show, it is apparant in seconds

[Pallas180]

113. He seems to be a patriot, angry about election rigged, but not

crazy about Kerry either....never was...made fun of him sometimes..
but you should hear what he does on dummy and darth vader.

He's more a person interested in justice and what's right.

He's been at stations that demanded he do this or that..which he
didnt think was right, and got up and walked out on the job.

Keith is ok and enjoyable. As good as Jon Stuart, the daily show

[Catchawave]

143. I totally agree that KO is non-partisan

He was the only one who covered the campaign fair and balanced, imo. And funny as hell. Both Bush and Kerry got equal coverage, and mostly stories that you never saw on other channels.

[Felix Mala]

32. Just got this in e-mail form...

and immediately got a reply from a co-worker whose aunt was volunteering at a polling place in Claremont Co. She noticed that people were turning in ballots that were for Hamilton Co. These ballots were in turn being pitched as "not valid." She complained to election workers and was visited by sheriff's deputies three times. The first two times, they warned her to stop "making trouble." The third time, they closed the polling place because more people were getting upset about the situation. I don't know how long the polling site was closed. I'm not a paranoid person, but has anyone else heard about this?

[Polly Glot]

54. I hadn't heard about this but

I'm not terribly surprised, either.

FYI the correct spelling is "Clermont" county, in case anyone is doing a search about this problem.

-Polly, Clermont county voter (I *think*...)

[lizzieforkerry]

71. Are you talking about Clermont Co, in Ohio?

[Felix Mala]

144. Yes.

I don't know Ohio geography well. I think this woman would love to be interviewed by a newspaper and TV reporter.

[Ducks In A Row]

34. if you read some of the other threads you'd see he's flip-flop

he won't report on it.

sadly he's a coward too.

[Jack_Dawson]

37. Who's a coward...Olbermann?

I've seen no evidence to suggest that. He's already done a couple stories on it. Plus he rakes O'Leilly over the coals constantly. I love the guy.

[BayStateBoy]

81. I Agree. Unless He Wimps Out on the Voter Fraud, I Think He's A+

[AlCzervik]

40. i'm willing to wait until tonight to see what he does

[Dem2theMax]

120. I'm waiting for you to come back and say you were wrong about Keith.

:)

[GreenPartyVoter]

39. Keeping this

KICKED

------------------------------------------------------------
Help expose the election 2004 voter fraud today!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[Jasper 91]

41. Does Olbermann's show also go out on the web ,

For the benefit of all of us , who live in other countries ?

[grasswire]

43. the word came out last night...

..that a news blackout has been ordered on election fraud stories in broadcast media. Bev Harris (blackboxvoting.org and a DU-er, for you newbies) posted here last night that a deep network source reported the blackout. So it remains to be seen whether Olbermann or Hardball will be allowed to run their commentary this evening on FRAUD.

[redsoxliberal]

44. WHAT THE FUCK?

freedom of the press, anyone?

[neverforget]

53. Freedom of the press is so December 12, 2000. Haven't you got

that memo yet?

[Jack_Dawson]

45. Who orders such "blackouts"?

[roseBudd]

72. Forget TV news, hit the newspapers beginning with NY Times,

Wash Post, Toledo Blade, Cleveland Plain Dealer, Knight Ridder

Newspapers are uniquely qualified to pursue this.

Remember, it was newspapers that spent $$$$ counting the 00 FL vote

[YellowDoginthehouse]

47. NEW MEDIA REPORTS ON KOS

http://www.dailykos.com/user/drummer55

[Jack_Dawson]

48. Sickening

I'm at a total loss for words. Ours was a rigged election, and we can't do shit about it.

[grasswire]

50. sure we can

When the powers that be close one door, we open another.

See my thread at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x30468

[Horse with no Name]

75. I totally agree

I'm new here..be gentle...part of the problem is the mentality of some of the Bush constituency--some of their IQ's are that of a gourd. I was talking with a Bush supporter from Oklahoma and asking why he would vote for Bush, etc and he told me..and believed with every fiber...that there were WMD, that Saddam and Osama were brothers, and, this is the one that just made me walk away knowing it was a lost cause..that Timothy McVeigh had ties to Osama and that it was OSAMA's fault that the Murro Building was bombed. Sigh...how do you counter that?

[Native]

79. you forgot this one...

Kerry's the one with the gay daughter!

[Ithuilwen]

95. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[tavalon]

111. Hey!

Don't be talking trash about gourds - I've met some fairly intelligent gourds in my day. Of course, they were cooked......

Welcome aboard. Put on your seatbelt.

[Solitaire]

115. *sighs*

I'm new here too, but I keep getting the argument of: You don't change horses mid stream".

My counter is, "You sure do when the horse has a broken leg".

Luckily, I live in NY City. I was in the supermarket yesterday and happened to remark about the possibility of "a problem with the vote". I immediately had about 6 people standing around, asking me question after question. I told them about this site and what I knew. One guy lived in my building and I didn't even know it!

I'm sure you know that NY'ers don't usually talk to one another (well, it's a bit different after 9/11, I will admit), but it is still rare. I'm so glad I live in a mostly Democratic state, atm. It makes the bewilderment just a bit easier to handle.

You guys are great. I'm so glad I found this site.

:dem:

[Jack_Dawson]

132. Welcome!

:hi:

[Solitaire]

146. :)

thanks, Jack!

back atcha :hi:

[restorefreedom]

51. he HAS to do this story....

KO is the only one in MSM with the gonads required to do this.

If he is silenced, someone in the alternative media will have to break it somehow and get it to a legit source in print.

But it won't be the same as KO saying it on a national cable broadcast.

[Generator]

52. "Senator Kerry, don't leave the country"

snip~
I was just reading last night of the struggles Edward R. Murrow and William L. Shirer had during their early reporting from Europe in ’38 and ’39, because CBS thought them too anti-Nazi.


THAT brought tears to my eyes. Well, it seems very fitting to our present and future to me.

[restorefreedom]

56. amen, generator

I have often thought that this recent climate is waaaaaay to reminiscient of 1930's Germany.

KO is this generation's ER Murrow.

I just hope he can get his word out.

These are frightening times.

[KurtNYC]

65. I saw a elderly German lady interviewed recently

They asked her how the German people could have gone fascist so quickly. Her answer haunts me still:

"We didn't realize it was happening until it was too late."

[intheflow]

85. My mother-in-law is from Germany. She's been saying this all along.

:scared:

[shelley806]

55. E-mail I sent to Keith yesterday....

[e-mail]


Keith Olbermann

Dear Keith,

Thank you so much for your excellent, humorous, honest and objective reporting. I had wanted to e-mail you before, but the post election analysis has kept me quite busy. I have been logging onto DU since the debates, and have been trying to keep up with the tremendous amount of data. The link that I'm sending you is from an anonymous poster not registered at DU.

The graphs and the data are quite compelling, and I wish that you would peruse them. We've heard from Bev Harris that the media is being restricted from reporting on this most important issue; i.e. that they are not reporting on the fact that our democracy is being denied us. This is the case, if this turns out to be the widespread fraud that I fear it to be. I hope that you will keep your scheduled topic of potential election mishaps. All the best.

Sincerely,
S.H.*****

BTW: I've only included the first paragraph and none of the tables and graphs.

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~adamsb6/elections/


Examination of the Florida Elections


New: Florida is reporting more votes in the presidential election than it is reporting citizens that turned out to vote. Adding all the presidential race votes reported by the Florida Department of State here yields a total of 7,588,422 votes. The Florida Department of State reports here that voter turnout totalled only 7,350,900. That's a difference of 237,522. 3.1% of Florida's presidential votes were in excess of the number of voters in the election. 380,952 votes separate the President and John Kerry in Florida.
If we disregard the votes cast on the Model 100s and the Optech 3P Eagles, the difference between Bush and Kerry drops to 124,514. The votes cast on the Model 100s and the Optech 3P Eagles in conjunction with votes that cannot be tied to voters may have elected George W. Bush.
The 13 counties that report more votes than voters delivered 39.4% of the votes cast in Florida. These are the 13 counties:

edited to delete my Name! ooops. LOL!!

[SteppingRazor]

57. Media blackout

I don't know who Bev Harris has on the inside, and I can see this sort of report at Fox News, where Ailes issues such reports weekly, but I've got friends and colleagues at NBC News and CNN. I have several friends at Time and Newsweek. I've freelanced for Time myself. None of them (myself included) have had e-voting stories nixed in advance of suggesting a story.

Granted, one has suggested it and gotten the shaft from an editor. That could be what you're talking about here. But these sort of "you will not do this story" mandates just don't happen, especially media-wide, where the need to scoop other players makes such a move all but impossible.

I'm all for looking into e-voting fraud, but media-wide conspiracies, as if every national news source and everyone who has even freelanced for them all respond to the dictates of the GOP, is just absurd.

[restorefreedom]

60. but he is his own editor

KO is managing editor of the broadcast.

So if he ends up being squashed, then the word had to have come from much higher up.

[Jack_Dawson]

61. But GE is HIS editor

even so, I hope he pulls it off. SOMEONE has to!

[siliconefreak]

64. CityLink is right

In fact, MSNBC now has the "Olbermann: It Ain't Over Yet" link on their home page under "NBC Highlights". (www.msnbc.com) :bounce:

[grasswire]

66. here is the blurb for tonight's Countdown:

Monday, 8 p.m. ET
Keith counts down the surprising list of the men and women who may join President Bush's second term cabinet.

That's the whole thing.

[ktowntennesseedem]

84. Just read it and its got potential!

Early on it says,

"there is a small but blood-curdling set of news stories that right now exists somewhere between the world of investigative journalism, and the world of the Reynolds Wrap Hat. And while the group’s ultimate home remains unclear - so might our election of just a week ago.

"Stories like these have filled the web since the tide turned against John Kerry late Tuesday night. But not until Friday did they begin to spill into the more conventional news media. That’s when the Cincinnati Enquirer reported that officials in Warren County, Ohio, had “locked down” its administration building to prevent anybody from observing the vote count there."

We gotta keep stuff like this kicked or it will just be old news 5 min after KO's programs ends.

[grumpy old fart]

67. All these smoking guns, and no Sheriff

Surely someone in the media would like to make a name in breaking the story of the century???

[SteppingRazor]

68. Hey, Grumpy...

Believe me, the first chance I get to win my Pulitzer, I'm taking it!

[grumpy old fart]

69. I hear ya, but

Why is it that this isn't getting any real media play? Is it just that it's just too early in the investigation? Is there any investigative journalism going on with this? Are we all just tin foil hats on here????

[Jack_Dawson]

73. SO disappointing

I don't want to believe our country is going down the crapper, but what else can be determined from this???

[sarahlee]

74. What about papers in other countries?

Do you think it would help any to contact papers in other countries? make sure our Democrats Abroad know what is going on?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

76. He's good

I wrote to him last night when I first saw this story on buzzflash.com. Told him what I thought was happening, which is what I've been saying here since November 3 - that it's not over until the electors meet and cast their votes on December 13, 2004. In investigative and political terms, that's a long way off.

Then, I'm pretty sure I launched into something involving Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, and farm animals.

It was late.

[Jack_Dawson]

100. LOL

I understand...short tempers abound around here.

[Shopaholic]

86. He's doing the story tonight--

I just got my Countdown Newsletter and he's doing the voting story!

[Jack_Dawson]

87. Was that before the Media Freeze?

:beer:

[Shopaholic]

88. No--I just got my newsletter at about 6:30pm--it was titled,

"DID YOUR VOTE COUNT"

Here's what the rest of it said:

Keith blogs.... about the vote count.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

The election is over, uncontested, non-problematic, right?
Not quite. Some "issues" are bubbling to the surface.

* The Ohio Problem?
Officials in Warren County, Ohio, "locked down" its administration building to prevent anybody from observing the vote count there. County Commissioners confirmed that they were acting on the advice of their Emergency Services Director, Frank Young. Mr. Young had explained that he had been advised by the federal government to implement the measures for the sake of Homeland Security. (Cincinnati Enquirer) http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/05/loc_warrenvote05.html

* The Florida Problem?
While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - the results seem to contain substantial anomalies.

Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann broadcasts LIVE at 8 pm et, and the count is never complete without you. Join us.

* The only thing more depressing than potential vote-count problems..... Santa can't get a flu shot.

Nick Pallotto, 62, who plays Santa Claus in malls, turned up at a flu clinic in Colorado Springs and was denied a shot because he wasn't 65 or suffering from a chronic health problem. "They asked me if I was 65, and I said, 'No, but I am Santa," he said. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/11/08/santa_claus_cant_get_a_flu_shot/ He is our guest tonight.

Here are some of the other stories we're working on for tonight's show.

* The fight for Fallujah. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6403689/

* Who will replace John Ashcroft?

Countdown Home: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

I encourage each of you to go and sign up for Keith's daily newsletter (M-F). It outlines the stories he's going to do on Countdown that night and always has great links to other news stories of note. You can sign-up by going to the Countdown home page. I just double-checked the timestamp on it and it was sent at 6:36 pm.

[FighttheFuture]

92. Whoa! Analyzing Precints shows the fraud in Cuyahoga!

buzzflash.com led me to this!! It is incredible!

http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html


There have been several emails regarding this page. I will be inquiring to Cuyahoga County in the coming days. It seems that the precinct/ward differences may be where the problem is as the official summary report does not show these spikes in turn-out.

The summary, however, does not report on the number of registered voters for precincts or wards, whereas the referenced link does. I am using the referenced link data below (more complete totals), not the summary report, which only reflects total districts.

Cuyahoga County Precincts

Each precinct in Cuyahoga County, Ohio
Highlighted areas represent 90% (very VERY unlikely) and higher (up to 1160.78%) voter TURN-OUT! 30 are above 100%
Calculated from data on county page - http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm

(Ballots Cast/Registered Voters) * 100 = % turn out.
Ballots Cast SHOULD NEVER be more than Registered, thus % should NEVER be higher than 100%

This amounts to 97,489 EXTRA votes beyond 100% in those precincts! This is just for ONE county!

No further evidence needed - a recount MUST be done - and possibly another national election using ONLY paper ballots, hand counts, and observers making sure all counts are valid. I don't trust these computers AT ALL! We should have the UN observe


More...

[loudsue]

96. THIS IS HUGE!!! Good work!

Maybe you could start your own thread with this information....but first, BE SURE to send it to BBV.org -- they need this kind of info. They've set up a special forum.

:kick::kick::kick:

[FighttheFuture]

97. I cannot take credit... this is fomr the web site listed! It looks

damming... !

[greyXstar]

98. He's doing the story!!!

Countdown just started :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[lizzieforkerry]

99. Warren County phone numbers-

OK you heard them say that no one is calling the Warren County Commissioners to complain (maybe because we know they are republican) so here are their numbers- PLEASE CALL.

Receptionist 513-695-1250
Larry Crisenbery 513-695-1257
Mike Kilburn 513-695-1258
Pat Arnold-Smith 513-695-1252
Warren County Board of Elections 513-695-1358
Warren County Switchboard (in case numbers are wrong or changed) 513-695-1000

Thanks.
Cities in Warren County include Lebanon, Springboro, Franklin,Mason, Landen

[loudsue]

101. Back up for some needed activism -- HAMMER 'EM!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[lizzieforkerry]

104. More Warren numbers

Their were two schools about 300 yards from the BoE that were in session on Tues and two precincts voted in them. Why was school not cancelled? Why were voters allowed to vote there until 7:30. Why were poll workers allowed to be there until 9-10 pm? The Commissioners told Olbermann that on a scale of 1-10 Warren County was a 10. Don't you think we as parents of kids that go to Holbrook Elementary and Louisa Wright Elementary deserved to know of the potential danger to our children? The Board of Education # is 513-695-2900. Bill Sears is our Superintendant (actually a great guy, so go easy)

Warren County Division of Emergency Management is 513-695-1313 is a good place to call to see why the citizens were not warned. Please get all names of who you talk to and write down quotes if they deny Homeland Security Threat!!!!

[Jack_Dawson]

130. Add another

How much more proof do we need?

[lizzieforkerry]

105. Kick

[feistydem]

108. Olbermann did his job tonight, too bad Conyers was such a wuss.

Keith kept trying to get ohn Conyers to say the Dems would take serious action if vote fraud was proven. Finally, Conyers said there would be lawsuits.

[Pallas180]

114. Conyers is not the candidate...He's not the wuss. The whole dem party

is the wuss...and conyers and the black caucus arethe only ones
not genuflecting

didnt you hear Pelosi, and Clinton ? and Kerry

[On Par]

116. It Was Tactical...

I'm sure as much as Conyers wanted to say they were looking for fraud, he obviously couldn't. Let's recall, the Dems are not in control of the Senate. If they were, there would be a Federal investigation for every county in Ohio and Florida.

However, saying Kerry conceded didn't help. And, if Democrats were looking for some hope, Conyer's tone not only didn't offer any, but was about as wussy as you would care to listen to without puking over it's neutrality.

OP.... reaching for the Mylanta.

[Dem2theMax]

119. Oh, I thought saying Kerry conceded was brilliant.

I laughed my head off. Totally throws the repukes off. It just looks like a 'harmless' investigation that doesn't involve Kerry and/or getting the vote overturned. I think he was choosing his words VERY carefully. For once I think the Dems are doing what the repukes always do. PLAN AHEAD PLAN AHEAD PLAN AHEAD - while watching exactly what they say every minute.

:bounce:

[Jack_Dawson]

123. Dems aren't that Smart

As much as I would love to believe it. Remember their brilliant counterattack to the Swift Boat Vultures?

JD

[Dem2theMax]

133. Awww, give us a little credit.

We had to learn something from the SBV, didn't we? ;)

[Pallas180]

110. how bout emailing him - O, You Rock!

.

[Jack_Dawson]

124. Already done

[Rhiannon12866]

117. Here's what Olbermann had to say about this on his show

This story has legs and it's far from over.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2646372

[Name removed]

121. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Imdman]

122. r

;

[Jack_Dawson]

125. I'll have to take your word on "D&D", Loser

Next Freeper Please?

:beer:

[Chimpanzee]

128. Bye bye

I just watched the Olbermann rerun - great piece and KO says their investigation WILL CONTINUE!!

[Lone Pawn]

129. We make our moves

Move our pieces, and then *poof*!
Grassroots movement! Whoops!

...damn idiot freepers.

[cynthia]

131. kick

:kick:

[Seabiscuit]

134. Mu e-mail to Keith

Mr. Olbermann -

I read your article on "Bloggermann" and hope the NBC execs don't shut you down from reporting about all the voting irregularities (they're really scandalous, but you don't have to mention that word on the air - I don't want to get you in trouble with MSNBC protocol) that once again handed this country to the dogs of war.

By the way, where is Kerry hiding out after prematurely quitting on us? At Dick Cheney's "undisclosed location"?

[Mike W.]

135. Send the Link to the Olbermann Report to the Planet

Here's that link again to the 16 minute Olbermann report:
http://home.comcast.net/~hugh.moore/countdown_on_voting_irregs.wmv

[madrchsod]

136. thanks

[Sideways]

138. Kick

[liberal N proud]

141. And the truth march no more~

:mad:

[trygee]

147. ** Olbermann / Conyers story in leading French newspaper (front page) **

Hello (from Paris) to all Duers.

Much of the Olbermann TV story can be read in to-day's Le Monde, the leading newspaper here in France. The article (in French) is from Le Monde NY correspondent, Corinne Lesne, who had a blog about the elections :

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3208,36-386347,0.html

The title says : "Where have Florida's Dems votes gone ?" The article points some of the questions discussed here on DU. It is on the paper's front page, in a kind of "odd enough" section.

Here is the French text :

Comment 29 comtés de Floride à majorité démocrate ont-ils pu voter soudainement pour le président Bush ? Pourquoi a-t-on fermé au public le bâtiment où se déroulait le décompte dans le comté de Warren, dans l'Ohio ? Une semaine après l'élection présidentielle, les témoignages d'anomalies s'accumulent aux Etats-Unis. Jusqu'ici, les récits apparaissaient surtout comme le fait de militants de gauche n'ayant pas réussi à admettre la défaite de John Kerry. Mais trois parlementaires démocrates ont versé leurs pièces au dossier en réclamant une enquête officielle sur "l'efficacité des machines à voter et des nouvelles technologies" employées pendant les élections 2004.

Dans leur lettre au General Accounting Office (GAO), l'organe d'évaluation parlementaire, les trois membres de la Chambre des représentants, John Conyers, Jerrold Nadler et Robert Wexler, citent plusieurs cas "troublants". A Columbus, dans l'Ohio, une machine électronique a donné 3 893 voix à M. Bush, alors qu'il n'y avait que 800 votants. Dans plusieurs bureaux de Floride ou de l'Ohio, des électeurs qui voulaient voter pour John Kerry ont vu systématiquement le vote se porter sur son adversaire. Dans le comté de Broward, une machine s'est mise à retrancher les votes plutôt que les additionner.

Le cas le plus sérieux concerne les comtés de Floride qui sont passés massivement dans le camp républicain. Les votes y étaient uniquement électroniques, sans trace papier. Selon les chiffres officiels, une chute notable des votes démocrates a été notée dans une trentaine de districts. Le comté de Baker, où 69 % des électeurs sont inscrits comme démocrates, a voté à 77 % pour le président Bush. Le comté de Calhoun, à 82 % démocrate, a voté républicain à 62 %... M. Bush a remporté l'Etat avec 381 000 voix d'avance. "Mais les irrégularités sont suffisamment nombreuses pour justifier une enquête, a expliqué John Conyers lundi sur MSNBC. Nous n'appelons pas à une nouvelle élection. Notre candidat a reconnu sa défaite. Mais il s'agit de rassurer les Américains sur le fait que leurs votes sont appréhendés correctement."

[IrishRed]

148. See: Naked Promotional Announcement (Keith Olbermann)

Keith Olbermann will run more on the voting irregularities tonight...
November 9th at 0800 EST....

See his blog for details....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240 /

V/R,
IrishRed

[RidgeHiker]

149. I'm new - we should be getting Mike on this

I hope people are emailing Michael Moore all this stuff too - he's probably already in the loop, but I think he'd run with a good election fraud story.