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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 04:58 AM
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Is this an impeachable offence?
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 05:01 AM by zapped 1
According to a report released by the Pentagon last year (and withheld by Bush for 4 months) Global Warming is now a National Security Issue considered more dangerous than ANY international terrorist threat, with major impact beginning in as little as three years. (some could argue this year).
The Pentagon has been planning for various doomsday scenarios, such as how to prevent small countries with dwindling food supplies from nuking each other, etc...
Do a google on Pentagon report,global warming or read this:

http://www.countercurrents.org/en-huffingnton260204.htm

Question, is ignoring a National Security Issue deemed more deadly than terrorism and diverting the People's attention away from it a crime? It certainly is incompatence.
It has always been about the oil...
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:02 AM
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1. If so,
it is impeachable offense number 52...or is that 53??

They don't care. They own all three branches of government now. Who's gonna impeach?
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:07 AM
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3. public outrage if this was front page where it should be
congressmen still have to answer to their constituents.
Probably the only way t really stop these people would be a massive moratorium on cars, gas, etc..
I guess it won't really matter in a few more years. That Tsunami was just the beginning.
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:42 AM
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7. Tsunami
The Tsunami was a direct result of an earthquake which itself was devastating. Global warming doesn't cause earthquakes.

I don't dispute the evidence of global warming or any of the proposed disaster scenarios but I don't think it helps our cause to associate it with completely unrelated phenomenon.
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:48 AM
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9. ok. Let's keep it focused on the facts. eom
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:02 AM
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2. If it isn't it should be
but * is impeachable on so many counts it's hard to keep track.
WE lost by a tiny fraction, let's get some more determination for 06 and we WILL see this shithead impeached. We have to do the work, starting.....
now!
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:10 AM
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4. thanks..
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 05:11 AM by zapped 1
...sorry about my negativity. Father and son have arrogantly spat in the face of Global Warming evidence since ol'Dad was Prez.
They are letting the end come while convincing unaware Christians that the end will come because of Revelations. It is sickening.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:24 AM
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5. Oh Jesus... EVERYONE on this board (the world too) needs to read this
Please keep it kicked.
I personally believe this issue trumps everything.
Destoy the gameboard -- there is no game.

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:24 AM
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6. THANK YOU for posting this. Just sent it to 200 people.
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:45 AM
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8. Great. Thanks!
I think that particular article is an easy read rather than linking people to the actual Pentagon report.
Try to use subject titles with the words "Pentagon" and "Bigger National Security Crises" and so forth.
Loved your metaphor. Right to the point.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:50 AM
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10. Impeachment ? Would the oil giants sue themselves for air pollution? Hah!
We'll just file that count away for the Senate Trial. Let's see, there's already several thick files of indictments to get through first:

1. Iraq war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, torture, false testimony to Congress about WMDs ...;
2. 9/11-related crimes, 3,000 counts of negligent homicide, reckless endangerment, perjury, obstruction of justice, FISA warrant violations ...;
3. Charges related to the illegal retaliatory disclosure of CIA officer Valerie Plame...;
4. Looting the Treasury and failure to pursue corruption charges against Halliburton and other corporations closely linked to the Administration ...
5. Aiding existing enemies by bringing notoriety, derision, and dishonor to the reputation of the United States around the world, and creating generations of new enemies by inflicting unnecessary civilian casualties and suffering ...
6. Stealing the office of the President through illegal dirty tricks during the 2000 and 2004 elections ...

Gawd, this is going to be a long trial. Sure we have to get into the destruction of the global environment stuff too?
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:02 AM
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11. that's a long list!
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 06:12 AM by zapped 1
And I suppose this issue would at least fall into crimes against humanity. I feel that this issue is quite tangible to most citizens (most polls show that an overwhelming majority of taxpayers are willing to have their taxes raised for the environment), and as BigBearJohn has said, if you destroy the game board the whole game is over.
Unlike the media, Kerry did mention the environment in his speeches.
He couldn't go too off on it, I believe, because very few people knew about this report. SO I do think a massive email campaign on this report might just anger enough people who normally would'nt follow the other offences, but get them looking there too (if I am making any sense..g'nite...)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:09 AM
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17. Those who oppose W's environmental policies likely already supportive
of efforts to oust him. But, while this is potentially a big group, it is not particularly focused right now. It would take HUGE resources to do educational outreach to these potential impeachment coalition campaign partners. Know anyone who has $10 million in seed money lying around?
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:13 AM
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19. Soros,Redford, many others..
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 07:14 AM by zapped 1
...if there is a case. I don't know if blatantly ignoring National Security Issues for political gain is an offence, or even provable.
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:03 AM
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12. Who would be likely
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:29 AM
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21. No mainstream Democratic "leader" with hopes for future office
would lead such a campaign. There'd have to be a massive upswell of well-organized grassroots support first. Even then, any push for impeachment would have to dovetail with a larger political strategy before it gets prominent backers. Nobody with a position to protect wants to be associated with a flame-out campaign that's likely to provoke super-heavyweight GOP backlash.

It's like any other operational plan. First, one has to map out the A-Z of the political process,and determine what conditions and circumstances might possibly change before such a thing becomes plausible. Then, come up with a really good idea how to effect the outcome. Do that BEFORE you try to interest potential leaders, backers and partners.
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:31 AM
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22. aren't National Security Issues bi-partison?
I appreciate your advice on campaign movements. I am really just asking if there are any violations involved here. I need more backround on the 4 months in which the report was supressed, why it was repressed, who made the call (KR, no doubt), whether it compromised or potentially compromised the safety of Americans, etc...
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RadicalMom Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:16 AM
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13. Just curious...Any reason this is being circulated so long after it was
published in Feb., "04. Did this just come to your attention?
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:30 AM
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14. no. I just realized how few people..
..know about it and why this isn't in the news everyday like terrorism is, when, according to the Pentagon, it is a much more "Catastrophic" threat. We can prevent terrorism to some extent, but we will not be able to reverse what The Defense Dept. is referring to.
After seeing what was accomplished here with the email campaigns regarding the election, I thought it would be good to remind those already aware, and enlighten those unaware of the issue.
The thought also occurred regarding what was going on in the campaign during the 4 months that the report was withheld from the media.
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RadicalMom Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:49 AM
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15. Goood idea. I hadn't heard about this till you just posted it. I was
stunned by my sister-in-law recently (though I don't know why, she's a Bushy and said she would never vote for a liberal, because she is a "capitalist!" like that was the only correct belief.)when I casually mentioned global warming in regard to a problem, and she insisted that "global warming is bullshit! Michael Crichton wrote a BOOK you know." This is not to again discuss the Book of Michael Crichton, the fiction writer, which I reminded her about.That's been discussed on DU enough. But I stupidly didn't believe there were so many people who don't believe in global warming even a tiny bit. I managed to not turn the discussion into one about believing in the Bible or not.
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:03 AM
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16. Crops, money, red state issues apply...
and it's the Pentagon reporting as FACT and can't be as easily dismissed as "tree-hugger" beliefs.
Of course, the Rapture folk will not be convinced it's anything but God's retribution, but they only make up 4 percent of the * vote.
Thanks for responding.
I am really wondering about those 4 months now...
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tintin99 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:57 AM
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23. There's a reason why it isn't front page news...
The office of net assessment is supposed to dream up extreme scenarios to test military preparedness for any number of fictional circumstances. They actually contracted this out to Global Business Network and, far from being classified, secret, or "leaked" it was reported openly by MSNBC last February here: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4379905/

The people who wrote the report said this:

"As is customary in military and defense-related projects, the authors describe a worst case scenario (not a prediction) for abrupt climate change," the company said. "They note that 'the purpose of this report is to imagine the unthinkable—to push the boundaries of current research on climate change so we may better understand the potential implications on national security.' Contrary to some recent media coverage, the report was not secret, suppressed, or predictive."

Let's not get excited and start unecessary conspiracy theories.
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Tony_Illinois Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:11 AM
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18. As long as nobody got a blow-job I think he's safe.
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:19 AM
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20. by-pass the MSM eom
Sadly, your point is understood.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:30 AM
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24. Exxon And Halliburton Want To Sell The Solution
If Gonzales is confirmed as AG, the chances of ANY crime being used for impeachment are slim. I'm not yielding, mind you, but everyone needs to be aware of the difficulties.

The realization I recently had relates to why friends of the White House like Exxon and Halliburton continue to battle the issue of Global Warming when the rest of the world is trying to abate its effects. Sure, greed is a mammoth factor but the executives of those corporations will have their families affected by massive flooding and pandemics as much as anyone else.

The key is that they WANT it that way. What I realized is that if they sell off their holdings in insurance stocks, they stand to make HUGE windfall profits from building sea walls and rebuilding entire coastal cities. Sure, they will lose some monies when their arctic pipelines explode but they'll make up for the losses quickly.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:48 AM
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25. You know, I am still stuck on Amendment I of the constitution
There are many others that * has violated, but the FIRST sentence of that amendment is. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therof"...

Didn't Congress, forced by the * administration, pass a law providing funds to promote religious causes? I know the language is questionable in the law but the EFFECT of the law has been to violate THIS amendment! Are they providing funds to ALL religious organizations or just some?

I think the best case for impeachment lies in pursuing the MANY violations of the constitution being committed on an almost daily basis with this administration.
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:53 PM
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26. I retract this question
I just remembered how guilty both parties are in regards to environmental genocide. And people aren't about to give up their cars.
Humanity will adapt to the changes as always.
The more evolved intelligent life forms, the dolphins and whales, will probably benefit from the changes.
I can no longer partake in a process that induces hatred and finger pointing within me. I have to remove the board from my own eye before I ask them to remove the splinters in theirs.
I trust that the instinct for survival,love, and the human and divine spirit will override the petty bipartison issues that are currently driving the agenda.
Best wishes to all.
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