letter from badnarik camp... then a letter from someone else

[redsoxliberal]

To all,

I picked the letter below because it was representative of many of your e-mails, and I wanted to send out an answer to all of your questions. There is still a lot of work to shutting down the campaign and of course getting all of our personal lives back on track and the campaign will try to keep up with the job of informing all of our supporters as much as is possible.

Thank you all for your support and your concerns about vote fraud and the results of the election. Unfortunately the situation is that unless you are with in 5% of your opponent with 100% of the vote counted you must pay the cost for the recount and frankly to count even the ballots in just OH, NM, and FL would cost more than the campaign spent nationwide on the election. It would take thousands of man hours, for all of the counting boards in each state. The only one who can contest the results is the Kerry campaign. They have the resources and are within the margin to ask for an official recount. My guess is that they will not challenge the count although they are within the legal time frame.

If it were possible I would certainly look into it, but under the system (that we are trying to change remember) that we have it is just not possible.

Thank you again.

Fred Collins

Campaign Manager

Badnarik/Campagna 2004
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The Kerry campaign won't fight and no one else can afford to.
:(

(edited to change title in light of later email)

[merh]

1. Damn!

:cry:

[Sparkle]

2. So a party can steal an election by fraud & nothing can be done about it?

BULLSHIT!

[LisaL]

4. I know in 2000 some newspaper or something got the ballots in

Florida to count the votes????? Under freedom of information act?????
It was way after the election.
So, I presume there is a way to get the ballots to count them!
Even if it is after the election and will not change the outcome!

[dogtag]

6. I believe it was a 'consortium' of many big newspapers.

It was a major undertaking and probably won't be done this time because there was no challenge to the results.

[LisaL]

7. There doesn't have to be a challenge to the results, I think.

If the results seem fishy, why wouldn't anybody look into it?
Maybe someone like George Soros can sponsor it?

[dogtag]

10. I didn't mean to imply that there HAD to be a challenge,

just that it was the 'follow up' to a huge story that developed due to Gore's challenge.

If Gore had conceded, the follow up counting wouldn't have happened.

[springhill]

14. WE have to expose it somehow.......

That's the only way now. At his inaugural there needs to be a protest with everyone holding you are a fraud signs. Whatever we can do, and however we can organize it. We need to get people to start thinking that something out of the ordinary happened here.

[Straight Shooter]

3. It ain't over until WE say it's over

And beyond the fraud thing, we can hound and harrass and ridicule and mock and fight and obstruct the bush administration and everything they try to do until it makes what they did to Clinton look like child's play. There are stories about bush that are going to come out, like cockroaches from the woodwork, because too much is at stake and you can't keep up a facade like that forever. Sooner or later, a false idol reveals it is made of clay.

Buck up, cowboy, we have not yet begun to fight! :)

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. YeeHaw!

How can we screw things up for them today? *g*

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Help expose the election 2004 voter fraud today!
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[rainy]

5. don't forget blackboxvoting.org they have demanded under

freedom of Info. lots of info. When they are ready to go to the press we will have more power and momentum.

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. Right. We have other ways to get this done.

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Help expose the election 2004 voter fraud today!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[nofurylike]

8. that is about one campaign, no? if so, deceptive title there. ?! n/t

[nofurylike]

9. "My guess is that they will not challenge the count"

so, we know NOTHING MORE from this article.

unkind you wrote that thread title.

[lynintenn]

11. Didn't the Miami Herald count the votes in 2002

[lynintenn]

12. Sorry after the 2000 election

[redsoxliberal]

13. ok... now it looks possible again!

"It IS possible for the Badnarik campaign to be a part of getting the recounts done -- Please don’t rule out MoveOnPAC and other 527’s as sources of funding for recounts. Throughout the campaign(s) all they have to do is send out an email asking for contributions and they get $100,000’s in hours.

By the way — those of us who believe that the vote was hacked are not in a tiny minority. I saw one graph yesterday that indicated that a Gallup Poll had shown that only 77% of the public believes that Bush was elected fair & square, 10% believe that he won on a “technicality” and 13% believe the election was stolen. That’s right almost 25% -- 1 in every 4 Americans believes that this new ‘presidency’ is illegitimate. (I have not checked the Gallup website to be certain of these facts – I just saw the graph posted at another site).

Please... Please... Please... The campaigns of the 3rd parties (Badnarik, Nader, Cobb) may be the only ones with legal standing to request the recounts in some states (Florida? New Mexico? New Hampshire?). I believe that the will of the people to take action NOW is building and that we the citizens will pay to have the recounts done.

Best wishes!"


This is an email I just got but I'm withholding the name since it seemed like someone outside the campaign.

[On the Road]

15. No, It's Not Over

The Badnarik campaign was not the best hope.

The goal should be to raise so many questions as quickly as possible that it becomes a national issue. The numerous counties in Ohio which had more votes than voters is a start. That suggests ballot box stuffing.

But in order to get media attention, the questions and presentation must be VETTED internally so that the legitimate arguments and evidence are the ones that get the biggest play.

[KoKo]

16. Could we raise money so that they could re-count in just Ohio? $80,000

was the figure I heard. Surely some of the organizations we are members of would help us with this. MoveOn.org and others?

I don't think it's getting the money...it's the will. Would he do it if he had the money?

[FW_]

17. It's not over

until everyone quits and last I checked not everyone was giving in to Bush's so called mandate.