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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 06:06 PM
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Republicans introduce bill for election reform.
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 06:10 PM by KerryOn
Somehow this concerns me a great deal, since it is coming from Republicans.

From todays Columbus Dispatch newspaper:

<snip>
A bill to update Ohio’s election laws and make the application of election rules consistent statewide was one of several bills that Republican lawmakers introduced yesterday as priorities for the current legislative session.

The election bill would address, among other things, the cost of recounts, what type of voter identification is required at the polls and how provisional ballots are handled.

<snip>
DeWine said the legislation is not likely to address the problem of long lines at the polls or a shortage of voting machines because that’s more of an issue for counties than the state.

>Yea Right, Just how can this be an issue for counties rather than a state issue, when Mr. Blackwell (secretary of state) is the one distributing the machines?

*(^$# you DeWine!

http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2005/01/25/20050125-B1-00.html&chck=t

On Edit Found Duplicate:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x304165
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 06:09 PM
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1. This is a BS appeasement attempt, just like HAVA was in 2004
Unacceptable.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 06:10 PM
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2. Something is Fishy here
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 06:12 PM by Nictuku
It sounds like they are going to raise the cost of a recount so that only the rich will be able to afford it. (Sounds like an attack on the 3rd party groups)
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 06:11 PM
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4. Also...
To derail any serious attempt made by the Democrats.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:40 PM
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6. Hi Nictuku!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:02 PM
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11. WHY WASN'T VOTE REFORM put forth by Reid????
I emailed him and asked him that.

Why should the CHEATING, LYING, DIS-HONEST Repukes change vote reform? Because they want to make even easier for them to steal all future elections.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 06:11 PM
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3. Control the registration process
key to controlling ultimate "approved" voters.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 06:16 PM
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5. More of the fox regulating the hen house
We ALL should be concerned.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:46 PM
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7. Two words...
Smoke Screen...
Bull Chips...
Horse Apples...
etc...
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:49 PM
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8. Republicans want electronic voting to be used everywhere.
Just listen to what the schmucks say about the electronic machines, they think they are great. You watch. They will introduce a bill to have uniform electronic voting.

These people are thieves, and they got away with stealing the election the last two times they aren't going to give that up. I'm afraid we are going to become a communist country, like china, and Russia.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 07:38 PM
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18. Much more like Germany, 1934...
...consolidation of all state power by the Nazis. BushCons now own the presidency, the Congress, the courts, the military, the intelligence apparatus, the media AND the election system. And they are fascists, not communists.

I don't think you mean "communist'; I think you mean totalitarian.

Communism in China and Russia was totalitarian. Fascism in Germany, Italy and Spain was also totalitarian. Tight central control of all facets of life and government; brutal repression of dissent, in all five cases with an all-powerful leader.

The difference is that the government in China and Soviet Russia benefited most of the poor--financially anyway--while the government in Germany, Italy and Spain benefited the rich. (Note: And for all Soviet Russia's repression of dissent, they never did have the death penalty--just exile to Siberia.)

The BushCons do not benefit the poor. They are very much a super-rich elite, in league with global corporations, intent on removing all benefit to the poor. = Fascists.

There have been examples of communist governments that were not so enamoured of tight central control and worship of brutal leaders. Vietnam, Cuba and Nicaragua.

I don't care what anyone says, Castro is not a brutal leader. He would have been overthrown long ago if he was. He is not terribly nice toward dissenters, but he is not bloodthirsty and power mad, like Stalin became, for instance. And he has had widespread support, all these years.

Ho Chi Minh was something like a "communist democrat" or a "democratic communist." He believed in democracy. He was freely elected! But the U.S. didn't approve of free elections in Vietnam--if it meant the election of a communist--that's why the Vietnam war.

The same with Daniel Noriega in Nicaragua--a very mild man, who led the revolution there, and would have governed with quite a lot of democratic features, if the U.S. hadn't started the Contra war against him. What a terrible thing we did there--and in Vietnam!

I can't think of any fascist government that could be called democratic or that has any semblance of democracy (like the democratic features evident in Cuba, Vietnam and Nicaragua). Fascism always seems to be totalitarian. There may be some in which the upper class has more of a say than in others, but never the poor.

There have been many questions about this: Can a sharing of the wealth government--communist or socialist--be democratic? In fact, there are many democratic governments in the world with strong socialist features (Scandinavia, the UK and some UK commonwealth countries, much of Europe, and some South American countries). Socialism and democracy seem to go well together, in fact--because they combine poliical equality with some kind of financial parity, through taxation of the rich, government aid programs, and strong worker protections. The rich and poor don't get so far apart--in financial power--as they are in fascist countries, and in our country right now.

But communism (complete confiscation of the property of the rich, and distribution via communes to the poor) is generally not possible without bloodshed and repression--with the exceptions I've mentioned.

In the case of Vietnam and Nicaragua, the bloodshed was minimal, until the U.S. got involved. The Vietnamese were fighting for their independence--first against the Chinese, then against the French. They won in both cases--very similar to the American Revolutionary war. Bloodshed, yes--but understandable. Then the U.S. jumped in, created the "south Vietnamese" government, and pitted the south against the north, resulting in over a million dead.

There was also very little bloodshed in Nicaragua, compared to some revolutionary situations, and certainly compared to most wars. The real bloodshed came with the U.S.-backed opposition.

The communist revolutions in the big countries (China and Russia) were very bloody, by comparison. Also, neither of these big countries had any democratic tradition whatsoever--so, eventually, they just replicated what they already knew: totalitarianism by another name.

But--and here is my point, the lo-o-o-ng way round--there is nothing about communism that is inherently totalitarian, bloody or repressive. It's just an economic system. A country could freely choose to distribute all property and wealth more or less evenly, just like a monastery does, or any other voluntary commune. Theoretically.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:56 PM
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9. Can somebody please post a link to the actual bill if there is one?
Or a link to article regarding this in a newspaper that does not require registration?

I just don't feel like registering with all these newspapers to read one syndicated article...
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evil saltine Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 04:01 PM
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13. Here it is:
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 06:21 PM
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14. Thanks for the text evil....
... looks like we all have a little reading to do. Check out this part:

Sec. 3501.05. The secretary of state shall do all of the following:

(N)(1) Except as otherwise provided in division (N)(2) of this section, investigate the administration of election laws, frauds, and irregularities in elections in any county, and report violations of election laws to the attorney general or prosecuting attorney, or both, for prosecution;

>Just great Blackwell gets to investigate his own election fraud and irregularties like voting machine distribution. (What a joke.)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 06:26 PM
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16. I love your name........ Welcome.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 07:47 PM
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19. Thanks -- pretty interesting reading! eom
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:57 PM
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10. When you're a corporatist, you trust product over people.
We will analyse the legislation, find every corporate connection and we will apply ruthless boycott power.

These people haven't seen anything yet.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:25 PM
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12. Republicans introduce bill for election reform
"Republicans introduce bill for election reform"

:silly:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 06:25 PM
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15. OH NO! Don't let them touch anything else. PLEASE!
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ottozen Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 07:25 PM
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17. Republican guns, who needs votes?
Perhaps its because the Republicans believe that they have all of the guns and weaponry on their side, that they can do pretty much anything they want. Like when the Freepers say pass the hand-grenades to bomb the DUers.

Non-violent reform takes numbers. Certainly non-violent opposition is the only logical and realistic approach to the IVth Reich. Nevertheless, there is no reason that Republicans should believe that democrats are un-armed. May they understand that against violence directed at the heart of the democratic republic of the United States of America all Americans believe in the Second Amendment.

What could be more violent than massive voter fraud, the likes of which have never graced this earth before? What could be more hypocritical than the prattling on and on about democracy and freedom spreading throughout the earth, when in secret they conceive of every possible way to subvert freedom at home, knowing full well, at the highest levels of power that they are an illegitimate ruling cabal.

Republicans, who illegitimately obtained power through massive fraudulent means, should be very afraid of Americans who find out about it. Very afraid.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:16 PM
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20. They are afraid,
The problem is, so are most people. The people are afraid to know the truth, so they brush it off, and allow the subverson to continue.

"What could be more hypocritical than the prattling on and on about democracy and freedom spreading throughout the earth, when in secret they conceive of every possible way to subvert freedom at home,..."

Exactly what we need to use to contradict the BS flowing from DC. Thanks, ottozen, and welcome to DU.
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