Raw Story headline for a developing story:

[MelissaB]

Affidavits, witnesses allege presidential electoral tampering in Ohio county; 'Stickers placed on ballots before being fed into machines:' Developing tonight...

Link: http://www.rawstory.com/

[Joanne98]

1. Rawstory ROCKS...............

[Pacifist Patriot]

25. I've been in a media blackout on vacation to paradise and

am just now catching up on Rawstory. My blood is positively boiling. This administration is criminal, just criminal.

[Flint-oid]

109. RAWSTORY is a daily must read

[saracat]

2. And if true, will anyone DO anything about it?

[oc2002]

91. Thats my concern. When will the FBI start investigations and arests?

Then the currupt corporate media will have to report it.

[New Earth]

3. i can't wait to hear the full story

[WLKjr]

4. will this even go anywhere?

[sickinohio]

10. In a word - No - not with Blackf**k in control of things here in

Ohio

:grr:

[WLKjr]

14. I can't stand that guy

Blackwell is a real snake. Typical Republican.

[sickinohio]

18. and on top of Blackf**k we have Voinof**k and DeF**k too

and top them off with Moyer - we have real problems here.

[WLKjr]

19. don't forget the OxF**k either!

[sickinohio]

22. this state is totally controlled by the ReF**ks

hows a guy or gal to win with all those people in control??

:cry: :shrug:

[WLKjr]

23. yep, it's totally F**k'd ^

[sickinohio]

34. All joking aside - I just pray for the day when the truth is revealed

here. From what I observed while volunteering with the Kerry campaign, and all the people I talked to, there's no way that Bu$hCo could have won this state without having hijacked the votes. NO WAY!! I believe we really are a blue state!!
:tinfoilhat:

[FloridaCrat]

82. Sickinohio: You've got company in that Blue State Envy n/t

[corbett]

17. Check Out This Page...

http://www.nvri.org/defend-the-recount.html

When the Raw Story item breaks (indeed, they rock), I'll send it to Arnebeck.

[ohioliberal]

5. This is awesome

We just need to go forward with it and not let it die out!!!

[RaulVB]

6. Let's wait for this!

If is good we are going to need to send it to the corporate media, ASAP!

[tandem5]

12. If I might speak on behalf of corporate media for a moment...

LALALALALALAL I CANT HEAR YOU!!! LALALALA NAH NAH NAH BLEE BLEE BLEEE!!!

[RaulVB]

20. Ha, ha...

That's fine...we will not leave in peace if they don't listen!

[Wilms]

7. Sticker Stories. Yes!

I've been looking forward to this.

[caligirl]

8. stickers? what does that do to the ballot, or is that the wrong question

[MelissaB]

11. I'd like and explanation, too.

[tex-wyo-dem]

13. Just speculating....

Stickers could be used to cover punches in a punch card so that no vote for, say, president would register.

...or maybe bar-codes?

I don't know...need to wait and see.

[KerryOn]

16. That was my thought as well n/t

[hootinholler]

29. I don't have search, but one stickers story

As I remember it from recount efforts stories, was that 'errant' marks were covered on opti-scan ballots with stickers. The ballots were not allowed to be closely examined. Perhaps they've been able to examine them? I'm pretty sure a star member could find it this forum.

I've been waiting for the lawsuits to fly over the of chain of custody issues in Greene? Co.

-Hoot

[librechik]

94. possibly they identify Dem ballots (just another guess)

so they can be "lost"

[Carolab]

54. They were applied over the ovals that were blackened for Kerry/Edwards.

And the ovals for Bush were then filled in, so that the "hand count" would match the "machine count" and the county would not have to be fully recounted by hand. That's what the stickers do to the ballots.

[rdmccur]

63. Sounds pretty plausible!

[dbDESIGN]

70. That was my first thought as well but

if the stickers were used that way how could the fraudsters think that no one would notice?

So the scenario could be:
-on election night legitimate votes for Kerry were electronically switched to Bush.
-come the recount the ballots need to be fixed, cover-up the Kerry vote and black-in Bush to get the counts to match.

If the hand-counts were as fraudulent as they appear to be wouldn't they be able to (non-randomly) select a set of legitimate ballots that would give a clean count?

So the next scenario to consider is that the stickers were applied to manually shift the votes on election night before the ballots were counted the first time. If the recount DOES select some ballots at random some of the mutilated ballots are seen, but the count works out as the fiddled ballots are counted as Bush just as the machine counts them.

So maybe this is what was happening in that locked down county? (Is my geography off?)

Also: What happens if one group is electronically switching votes at the same time as another group is manually shifting votes?

Is anyone inspecting all the ballots to get a count of how many have stickers?

Edit: On further reflection either scenario seems plausible to me. Apply stickers election night for manual fraud or apply stickers before the recount to obscure electronic fraud. In either case it adds up to FRAUD!

[Carolab]

81. They DID notice.

"...if the stickers were used that way how could the fraudsters think that no one would notice?"

The recount volunteers DID notice. That's what the affidavits are all about. Read the article.

[dbDESIGN]

87. The stickers suggest the fraud was a manual

switching of votes before the first count when the fraudsters hoped or expected there would be no hand recount and therefore no detection of the altered ballots. As you so rightly point out the alterations were noticed and provide an excellent basis for further investigaton. This development is great news as it provides hard physical evidence to go with the copious statistical evidence brought forward by TruthIsAll and others. If the alterations were done in anticipation of the recount it is such a clumsy effort we should have no problems catching these guys.

As for reading the article it was the lines:

“A Republican board member said the stickers were put on election night”.

in the article that got me to wondering if the fraud was a manual effort on election night. What little explantion of the stickers there is in the article by the BOE doesn't seem very convining to me.

[MadisonProgressive]

102. These were optical ballots

Place a white sticker over the K/E black mark and create a black mark for B/C. Viola! Instant vote switch! This is evidence of FRAUD!!

[nodictators]

115. Yes! And that's why Kerry won NONE of the 190 Clermont precincts

Kerry won NONE of the Warren "Lockdown" County precincts, either.

Of course, the Bush shill, Mitofsky, would call this simply "Democratic Overstatement." He said he didn't detect fraud anywhere.

[CottonBear]

9. Watergate started as a small story.

The stories keep comming out in dribs and drabs. Dripping water eventually even wears away solid rock.

[JoAnnSimon]

117. Watergate drip, drip, drip

Yes, Cottonbear, I think this is going to be the case with this election fraud issue as well. Drip, drip, drip.

Has anyone sent this information to John Conyers and his committee? He needs to see it.

[merh]

15. Can't wait for this one!

:bounce:

[sepia_steel]

21. Kick ass!

I hope something conclusive comes of this.

I'm sad today.

[lala_rawraw]

24. Well, All I can say...

Is that after a month of crap and threats, this story finally has been birthed. I am going to nap for about a year now and nurse my high fever.

I have sort of been afraid to post at forums since my last attempt at another, unnamed place, ate me alive for some reason...um, I am on the same side. In any case, you guys seem to be a friendly crowd, so I thought I would stop by. I found this, lmao, so i thought this thread would be appropriate:)

The evidence is compelling and we have provided it to various authorities as I worked on it. Now, should someone actually do something about this, well... I imagine the trolls will climb out of their caves to devour me whole and attack me and the sources in any way possible. Hang on to your hats, this will be a really bumpy ride.

Just remember, the three counties that decided the election... one was Warren, the lockdown, one was Butler (massive unreported problems), and one is the county in this story, which is by far the most compelling story I have seen.

Okay, going to bed and dream my fever away. Thanks for liking us. At least someone does, lmao.

[MelissaB]

26. Don't leave us now!

You can't give us a little taste of that wonderful cake and then take it away.

BTW, WELCOME!

:yourock:

[MelissaB]

27. Also,

how am I supposed to go and cook dinner for my family and be away from my computer now? I can't wait!

Thank you, again!

[tex-wyo-dem]

28. Hi lala_rawraw,

Wow...interesting. So you were involved in this? Looking forward to the story!

Don't worry about the trolls...we've got your back!

The thugs will evetually go down...

[lala_rawraw]

31. yessum...

I am the other reporter at raw... Larisa... hiding behind John usually, lmao.

I cannot tell you more without breaking the story before it breaks... but it is about that third county, i just wanted you to know and you got it right about the stickers... big time... and there is more sadly than the stickers. So hang in there. I actually have a 102 fever, but I trying to fix a program I have which seem to have lost its mind today. I really should go to bed.

Plus, I am holding electronic hands with one of the witnesses. I promised I would be around. They may be a good number, but they live in separate locations and a few are a bit worried, for obvious reasons. So might hang here for a few more minutes, but then I really need to get to bed and sleep through this alternative reality we are living in. Does anyone think that we have all taken the red pill but are still stuck in the blue world?

[salvorhardin]

57. Welcome to DU Larisa!

:hi: :yourock:

[understandinglife]

59. Thank you for all you have done & are doing; deeply appreciated. (nt)

BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION;24/7 (aka TBO;24/7)

[mistertrickster]

66. I wished I lived in Ohio. Those witnesses wouldn't have to worry

with me sitting in their living room holding a 12 gauge.

[lala_rawraw]

83. want to come protect me?

i am a bit not to happy myself, lmao. see and I still cannot sleep, blah. let's all go chat somewhere, where can we chat?

[mistertrickster]

138. I've chatted on Yahoo before.

Could go to "Washington Watch" under "Gov and Politics."

[spooked911]

99. wow-- your story sounds incredible. Please take care of yourself!

Thanks for coming by!

[Joanne98]

30. Welcome to DU.........We all took the red pill..........

[lala_rawraw]

32. thank you...

am still a bit nervous at getting eaten alive by my own kind... bad experience elsewhere... but thank you for the warm welcome. you know, 102 fever really can be fun when dealing with this reality... did anyone happen to catch a that CNN version of the press conference? i actually may have wet myself having seen the Bush talk and then having seen the CNN glossy version.

[tandem5]

33. careful with that fever... 102 is really pretty hot nt

[lala_rawraw]

35. eh, I'm a pro...

I have MCTD, so I get sick all the time. Not worried yet... I just sort of overdid things a bit in the last few days. Am going to bed right away, like a good little delirious person reading... um... did I just hear right...rap agency in NYC is crack dealing? Okay, very convenient time to "out" them if that is the case, no?

Wait, found a link on it... wtf?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=762&e=1&u=/ap/20050126/ap_en_mu/music_rap_investigation


I could see how the FBI might be concerned with this story given that our entire administration is committing treason... yep, this one would top the to do list. Here is a question for the Feds... where did they get the drugs and how did they move them? D'oh, better get a scapegoat fast.

[sepia_steel]

40. Hang in there!

We're rootin' for ya.

[foreverdem]

135. Careful Larisa!

Please get some rest! I have MCTD too, and I know how crappy you must feel. The best thing for you is rest to get that fever down, if it hasn't come down already.

We will help out in any way we can.

P.S. Please try the fish oil or flaxseed, it does work.

[sickinohio]

36. Take some tylenol, drink lots of fluids, eat some popsickles

take a sort-of cool shower and get lots of rest.
:hi:

[Wilms]

38. No worries for you here, LaLa.

Just the occasional...


;( :evilfrown: :mad: :crazy: :silly: :wtf: :argh: :freak: :nopity: :spank:

[blackspade]

136. And it doesn't...

taste so good.

I want my country back.

[Jeebo]

111. What does "Imao" mean?

You've used it in every one of your many posts in this thread and I've been sitting here scratching my head for ten minutes trying to figure out what it means. Please translate so I can sleep tonight. This is why I don't use those online abbreviations. They drive me nuts. I won't tell you how long it took me and how much sleep I lost before I finally figured out what "btw" and "rotfl" and "imho" mean. "imho" means "in my humble opinion." Is this similar to "Imao"? Does it mean "in my admirable opinion" or "in my admitted opinion" or "in my (something that starts with an a) opinion"? But then why would you have capitalized the letter I every time? Do you see what I've been going through? Do you see what kind of misery you inflict on people when you use those silly, maddeningly confusing online abbreviations? This was actually a category on Jeopardy once. Anything that's on Jeopardy is hard.

Ron

[New Earth]

112. it's an "L", not an "I"

it's LMAO, it means Laughing My Ass Off.

if you see ROFLMAO, it means Rolling on the Floor, Laughing My Ass Off.

[CAcyclist]

123. Hey, Rawstory, Awesome job!

Can you help us out in California? The Repubs, SF Chron and SacBee are smearing Kevin Shelley, our SofS with all kinds of blown-out-of-proportion issues and are trying to get him to resign. HAVA is investigating him for "misuse" of HAVA funds.

Shelley is no angel, but it is definitely a witchhunt - they want to replace him with a Republican and then go to redistricting - next thing you know, California will mysteriously become a red state.

[FreepFryer]

37. The truth will come forward, and the situation will be unprecedented.

Have confidence. Keep digging. Keep spreading the word.

Everyone is a part of this!

We're not relenting until the many cases of fraud are exposed, and everyone involved is brought to justice.

[zann725]

85. This is exactly why we need to keep the "2004 Election" Caption here...

So that we do NOT forget the focus of our thoughts and our research.

This fight is FAR from over.

[Pacifist Patriot]

98. I was wondering if it was my imagination.

I logged on briefly while I was on vacation and thought I saw a different name for this forum. When I got back home it was back as 2004 Election Results and Discussion.

[Joanne98]

39. Dammit. I gotta go. I'll have to wait until tommorrow.

[lala_rawraw]

41. just so you know...

i handed it off to my editor hours ago... so it is not like i am trying to torture you... i have no control over when it gets out...just thought you should know:)

Am waiting myself, actually, so we are waiting together.

[lala_rawraw]

42. it's up

[Laurab]

104. Welcome

You're in the right place for SURE! Thank you for the work (and I'm sure it entailed a lot), and the persistance. You and your friends are true patriots.

[hootinholler]

43. La la la...

Twiddling thumbs, etc. So, is it like nuk-u-lar big?

Thank you for your hard work.

-Hoot

[PennyMan]

44. Just In Here Is The Story

Ohio recount volunteers allege electoral tampering, legal violations and possible fraud

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=7

[lala_rawraw]

45. um...

John missed one of my grammar problems... have let him know... he is in DC and was in a hurry to get this out.

[Bill Bored]

52. Lala, have you tried fish oil or any other essential fatty acids for MCTD?

Welcome to DU! Loved your Conyers interview a few days ago too!

[rdmccur]

67. Sent to Boxer.

[liberal43110]

46. This should be happening over and over around the country

The disgraceful Republican party thinks that because they have stifled the media, thwarted any attempt at any reasonable recount anywhere, and run out the clock past the inauguration that their illegal election fraud actions will slip away unnoticed.

I think--and hope and truly believe--that incidents like this will begin to surface across the country. And the courts and the media and public officials will have an increasingly difficult time ignoring every incident.

[hootinholler]

47. So how do we help this to have legs? N/T

-Hoot

[Bill Bored]

48. I think this was already mentioned on votecobb.org

But affidavits are of course, more convincing!

So are we talking the old 10-votes-per-precinct switch or something more concentrated on a few precincts in the county?

10 votes per precinct switched from Kerry to Bush in every precinct would be much more than enough for 100,000-vote Bush margin.

[lala_rawraw]

55. oKay...got a hold of editor

He made the corrections needed and I feel much better. I have not tried fish oil, but will do so now. As for legs, well, if I had the ability to move about, I would be in the streets. As is, my pen acts as my legs. Kick Kick Kick...woo hoo, still tempature, but happy to have had issues corrected.

[Melissa G]

49. Kick for Raw Story! n/t

[DearAbby]

53. If these stickers were used on Election night...what about those 93,000

undervotes, where no vote at all for president...people stood in line for 11 hours to go up to a machine and not vote for a president? these ballots need to be examined CLOSELY.

[greenmutha]

50. Just sent it to KO, Conyers and Arnebeck's email. n/t

[bleever]

51. Thanks, greenmutha! And rawstory, you guys rock.

:thumbsup:

[lala_rawraw]

56. Conyers has it...

He has been made aware of this story early on. Judic has it, and experts have the blurry footage. So we wait. I wait to see what charges were filed against me for doing my job, lmao. You caught that part, right?

[MelissaB]

62. Please keep us posted

with the charges that were filed against you.

[Career Prole]

69. That's you?! You're the reporter?!

Cool!! Way to go! We got yer bail money right here if you need it, and welcome as all get-out to DU!
:yourock: :toast:

[bleever]

106. lala: we'll send you cookies if they throw you in the slammer

for being a journalist.

:)

Nice work.

[darkworkz]

58. Sensenbrenner should get this...!

By the Ocean going SHIPPING CONTAINER load!! I mean 10 of them!!

If you don't know how big that is? You could live in one easily!

[lala_rawraw]

61. yeah damn it...

okay, the trolls are sending the hate mail... woo hoo, bastards.

the AP has "moved on" so I doubt this story will reach deaf ears, but we know.

[rdmccur]

64. Send it to Boxer, Kerry

for starters.

[lala_rawraw]

65. okay... you guys take it from here...

am going to take a bath and go to sleep... if you could please send and/or post some positive feedback for the sources who will be getting some, no doubt, troll attention, that would be nice... they were brave and need support. please email them via raw or me or just post in the comments section of the story... also, the more "light" they have on them, the safer they are from "trolls" and worse.

get them cover please by getting them light.

[KaliTracy]

68. will do.... now go take care of yourself as well... n/t

[merh]

75. I hope you get to feeling better Larisa!

Thank you for your efforts (I refuse to use the term "hard work" ever again).

I will say prayers you get to feeling better and for the folks that you are so worried about. If you need us, we are here, we will try our best to spread this story far and wide.

I may have overlooked it in the article, but did you include that this has been turned over to the Judiciary Committee? What about the FBI, if you give us names of who was given the information we can include that in our emails to the corporate media whores and Boxer and Kerry. If the names of those who have stalled the investigation are named maybe we can shame them and their agencies into action.

Bless you and rest well! :yourock:

:hug:

Welcome to DU! :hi: :loveya:

[KatieB]

60. Send this to Conyers-his investigation is still going on.

[LeahD]

86. She says Conyers and Judic already have it.

See post 51

[tandem5]

71. Thank you Larisa and Rawstory! nt

[rumpel]

72. Wow. this is criminal!

[JBear]

73. Did someone say photos?

I really would like to see the photos that the person in the article mentioned....A picture is worth a thousand audio tapes

:bounce:

[KingoftheJungle]

74. I dont know if you guys remember, but this was posted nearly two weeks ago

Since the witness didn't have her affidavit written yet, the Buzz journalist requested it be deleted for the protection of the witness(es). I couldn't figure out why it took over two weeks to sign the affidavit, but now I realize it was more than one witness and several others have stepped forward. Don't be naive to think Conyers and Arnebeck didn't know about this already, this was floating around the circles a while ago.

[lala_rawraw]

78. That is correct, but...

This was leaked and then I was contacted by John Dean, who wanted me to look into it. So I asked that all reference to this story be removed for the protection of the sources while I checked it out... as more developed, this became about more sources and protecting them... there were more people initially who came forward, and one by one they went away. So the ones who stayed, who went through snow storms to fax their statements, to find someone to witness their statements... all while one source leaked the entire story to the BOE chief.... this was, needless to say, a very tough situation... to those sources who stuck it out, thank you.

One of them is a single mother, who has been unable to find work...although highly qualified... hmmm? That is how we treat our honest citizens. She could not afford to pay for the Kinkos fax machine, but she paid for it... so thank you to them, the ones who stayed and wanted this story out. They are the focus, they should be getting non-stop thanks everywhere possible.

[KingoftheJungle]

79. well you can send them a kudos from me

anybody who comes out as a witness against the crimes of this administration is a hero in my book.

[dannynyc]

76. Just mailed this to

Sensenbrenner, several CNN addresses, abc and CBS

At least they can't say they didn't know!

[KaliTracy]

92. I mailed too, used the Subject Line "When does it officially become

"Vote Tampering?"

I had a small intorductory paragraph stating that the state that nothing "improper" happened was in the news again -- stressed that this was about making sure all parties who were complacent in any wrong-doing are held accountable, and stated that the US has no business going to other parts of the world to "spread democracy" if we can't even get it right here.


Sent to several places, including NPR programs, Diane Rehm, Several Congress people (ones I've e-mailed before), Michael Moore, among others, and tonight plan on many others as well.

[buddysmellgood]

77. Thank you for posting that. If they somehow manage to sweep all of this

under the rug...well it will say a lot about what we are not.

[Catherine Vincent]

80. I thought this thread was renamed?

[Bill Bored]

84. Here's the version of this story from votecobb.org

<http://votecobb.org/recount/ohio_reports/counties/clermont.php>

[merh]

88. Thanks for that link!

:hi:

[sabra]

89. Rawstory is my MSM!

The question is what's next? Where will this go from here... I imagine Conyers is seriously investigation this. Only time will tell...

[Name removed]

90. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[McCamy Taylor]

93. Important question re: Ohio elections. Are little stickers used there?

Does Ohio authorize the use of little stickers on ballots if someone checks the wrong circle and wants to change a vote? If so, this is an open invitation to vote fraud, since it allows anyone with access to the ballots to change any votes after the fact, however it is not in itself proof of fraud. If Ohio does not authorize the use of little stickers on ballots this is 100% fraud.

Is there someone in Ohio who knows the answer to this question?

[Pacifist Patriot]

97. Excellent question. I can't imagine why something like this would

be used though. We have optical scan in my Florida county and if you mess up your ballot they shred it and give you an entirely new one.

[spooked911]

100. I'm sure their official excuse is they were trying to save ballots when

in reality they were using the stickers to scam votes.

[JoAnnSimon]

118. Stickers

I work the polls on election day (in Maine) which uses optical scan. Our procedure when a voter makes a mistake in marking a ballot is to mark that ballot "spoiled" and give the voter a fresh ballot. All "spoiled" ballots are saved. I can't imagine any state where it would be legal to use stickers to allow a voter to correct their vote on their original ballot.

[harmonyguy]

107. Ohio Revised Code 3599.19

Don't know if this would apply......

3599.19. Misconduct of judges and clerks of elections in polling place.
(9) Alter or mark or permit any alteration or marking on any ballot when counting the ballots;

Long link here

Also, the attachment of labels to a ballot violates the manufacturer's specifications for ballots.
Diebold Ballot Specifications Rev 2.0 Feb 24 2003
Section 1.10 No labels or other adhesive materials shall be placed on the ballots.

HG

[tom_paine]

95. If only there was a Free Press in Imperial Amerika...

This will receive NO coverage by Corproate TV Pravda and nothing will get done about it.

Just as if we lived in Communist Russia and were trying to alert people to Communist Vote Fraud

[genieroze]

96. here it is

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=7

[lala_rawraw]

101. I tried to private msg the Florida

people... i want Florida friends who are not insane, darn it. oh, my computer was hacked, lmao. just now, a little port scan... thanks to hubby and his skills, it seems it was handled very well... will provide the info when i research the scanner...hmmm?

oh, still sicky...not slept, going to bed... so may not be around for like a week. send, please, chicken soup vibes via this way.

one more thing... i think these people will do anything to keep power... I am afraid, really, afraid that they will kill all of us just to stay in control. they have already proved their willingness to kill us on 9/11. i am frightened and what else they have planned for us, stock crash, more "train accidents," more terror alerts and maybe bio crap... i know i sound paranoid, but i took the red pill and this is not America...so let's all hold electronic hands across state lines and keep track of one another. does that sound odd?

[rainy]

103. not at all. I've been thinking the same about the bio thing especially

remember when Bush tried to make everybody get vacinations? The strange deaths of the Bio-scientist? 9-11? Bizarre election results? It is all a little scary.

[merh]

105. Please rest and take care of yourself.

:hug: I am sending chicken soup vibes to you and a great big DU :grouphug:.



Take care of yourself, please.

[JoAnnSimon]

119. Do anything to stay in power

I agree. I've believed this for some time. But they can't kill all the doubters and dissenters, since to do that, they'd have to wipe out 50% of the U.S. population.

[genieroze]

124. I say it's more then fifty percent. I think this election was outright

hijacked. I'm not scared, I'm pissed. This is my country fought for with the blood of my ancestors and I don't want a bunch of chickenhawk, neonazi, neocons stealing it. I'm a liberal Christian but I'm not the kind who sits around singing Kumbaya, any freeper ever starts with me, POW!

[aggiesal]

130. They'll put you in a concentration camp!

Check out the following link, and see the plans the current monarchy has for U.S. desidents.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

[McCamy Taylor]

132. Emailed House Judiciary and Sensennbrenner

[Vinca]

108. This story is the smoking gun as far as fraud is concerned.

If Kerry/Edwards votes were turned into Bush/Cheney votes by using stickers to block the Kerry/Edwards filled-in oval, that's fraud. It's not an accident, an "oops," a "we didn't know," it's criminal activity. This is a major development that must be investigated by the F.B.I. Of all the reports from Ohio, this is the most disturbing and most incriminating evidence to date.

[lala_rawraw]

110. Okay... here you go kids, been dying to tell you..

Conyers calls on FBI to look into Clermont...and other counties, still waiting to see what the footage shows (i no longer have it... sent it to them and experts). Keep fingers crossed.

By the way... i cannot post private msg to anyone... but i see Florida people here... IM me, there is almost silence in Florida from the entire Left.

[Chi]

114. Thank you so much.

Your effort and determination, are truly Patriotic, and extremely appreciated.

You might wanna post your 'local IP address routed thru Texas' question here.
I believe it would get well researched by available network experts that hang out here. (I've fwrded the question to some peeps I know via email, but that doesn't compare to what DU would do).

Get well soon.
<bow>
Chi

[merh]

116. I hope the FBI doesn't ignore this, I hope that it is so strong they

can't.

If you need me to send a message or begin a thread for you, just let me know.

Thanks so much!

[Quakerfriend]

121. lala you are a beacon of hope

Haven't been here in a couple of days...but, boy was I glad to see this thread!

Thank you for all of your fine work; And, please rest up and get well.

Welcome to DU, too!!:headbang: :hi: :thumbsup:

[Jeebo]

113. This happened in Florida 2000 too...

Only then, instead of affixing stickers over Gore ovals on optiscan ballots, they were stacking up punch-card ballots and mass-punching them through for Bush. This is why there was an anomalous number of Bush-Gore overvote ballots in Florida, and ALL of them were in punch-card counties.

Ron

[ginnyinWI]

120. kick for democracy

[CAcyclist]

122. HAVA is investigating Kevin Shelley

Maybe we can make that committee investigate Ken Blackwell in the name of fairness.

HAVA (help america vote act) is investigating such burning issues as Shelley hiring "Democratic operatives" and "misusing" funds to promote voting in minority districts.

The SF Chronicle is saying he should resign even if they don't find anything. It is such a witchhunt.

[Nothing Without Hope]

125. It seems too small just to say "Thank you" to those working on this

This is too huge and too important a gift for that: all the effort, courage, integrity, and perseverence dedicated to the goal of ultimately saving democracy in this country. I am both humbled and exhilarated by the story, including the supplementary comments made and at the Raw Story posting site.

Message to LaLa__RawRaw: I hope you are aware that in posting this story here at DU, you have expanded your circle of friends and supporters. This is more than just a place people chat and rant and exchange informatin. We are a community of people who want to DO something, PROGRESSIVE Democrats who retain a hope for healing this country. One of our shared hopes is for the successful investigation and exposure of the election fraud which has made a mockery of the "democratic" vote process in this country. And because DU is a community that shares this goal with you and the others working on this investigation, you should be aware that you can ask us for help. There are experts of all types here as well as "regular" people with hearts and minds and willingness to pitch in where they are needed. And it does sound like you can use some help.

It's not enough, but it's all I can say: Thank you.

[corbett]

145. Hear! Hear!

Patriotism doesn't come any purer or run any deeper than this!

[tandem5]

126. Regarding Jeannine Tater's Affidavit, points 4-12...

"Union Township Machine Scan of Ballots" (points 4-12)

I understand the distinction between "votes cast" vs. "ballots cast," but I'm finding it difficult to contrive an explanation as to how two separate breakdowns of the total count of 1190 were produced. When the 1190 count is interpreted as "ballots cast" a breakdown of "678 page one ballots and 512 page two ballots" is given. When the count is interpreted as "votes cast," particularly for president/vice president, a breakdown of one vote for Badnarik/Campagna, 878 for Bush/Cheney, 305 for Kerry/Edwards, three undervotes, two overvotes, and one write-in is given in the Clarmont Election Night Abstract that Tater references:

http://www.clermontelections.org/pdf/election2004/President-VicePresident.pdf

I'm not really making a different point from the one Tater made in her statement - I'm just highlighting it. Contorted explanations aside, it seems to me that one breakdown has been produced out of thin air.

Link to text of Tater's Affidavit:

http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/ohio_election_0126_j1.php

[lala_rawraw]

127. There are like 4 more to be posted.. i think...

But for me, the two most amazing are Betts and Drake.

[tandem5]

128. I'll look forward to that. nt

[lonestarnot]

129. BLOODHOUND TOOK BIG DOG OF THE YEAR! Best in Show!

We are staying on this trail! Election fraud developments continue to leak. Watergate similarly took time to uncover. Representative Conyers YOU ARE BETTER THAN A BLOODHOUND! And those hounds NEVER GIVE UP! I VOTED ONLINE FOR THE BLOODHOUND!

[doodadem]

131. Former Clermont County, Ohio resident!

Oh my gosh--Clermont County is where we moved from in Ohio! That whole area is major gays/guns/god territory, so this is totally believeable.
So glad we didn't vote there this time..........

[BethFromIL]

133. Election Fraud Ohio

I've follow this site everyday regarding the vote fraud but
first time
I've commented.

I wondered if anyone has thought of contacting Seymour Hirsh
with the
"New Yorker" magazine. He is definately not
intimidated by the GOP or the White House bunch.

Maybe he'd do a story on Ohio Election Fraud.

[Quakerfriend]

134. Hi Beth! Welcome to DU!!

:bounce: hi:

Mr. Hersch's interests seem to be with the happenings regarding the war. But, you're right, He's not the least bit intimidated by any of the neocons!

[dogindia]

137. great idea.

I thought of this as well.

[BethFromIL]

139. Raw Story

I know his stories lately are Irag, but seems to like any story against this administration.

[troubleinwinter]

142. What a strange comment.

Raw Story covers an incredibly wide array of news stories, including those that are interesting to liberals and progressives.

"like any story against this administration." Well, you won't see them on FOX, will you?

A clue for you, since your hobby is "U.S. and world affairs", Iraq is spelled with a Q... the Q key is next to the W key.

[NicRic]

140. Stories that go no futher !

The problem when I come to DU and see these stories is that I know they will most likley go no futher ! Its just frustrating ,and I tip my hat to those who keep trying to get the truth out on the 2004 election ,however its so apprent by now that the MSM is not going to pay any attension to any negative stories about the gang of thieving thugs running our country , that it almost seems like a waste of time .I know its not ,because telling the truth is never a waste of time. Ignoring it is a sin ,and at this point in history for the most part those in a position of getting the truth out are not doing their job ,for whatever reason ,fear of losing their jobs ,or fear for their lives ,or just plain wanting to be liked and be in the loop with the Wasington insiders ,to me they are the ones really letting the American people down ,we deserve better .For what these top media writers get paid for their joobs they should all be fired ,except the ones responsible for who gets these jobs ,is just as invovled. What a freakin mess. When dyiing on te cross jesus said forgiive then Father for they know not what they do ,well these guys do know what they are donig ,so I guess we know where they are going !
Sincerely NicRic

[roseBudd]

141. Maybe SW Ohio DUers should visit the Cincinnati FBI office as

citizens. And ask the FBI to investigate.

[troubleinwinter]

143. Would this be the FBI office

that supposedly "investigated" Conyers' allegations regarding the Ohio Triad tech?

I am thinking that the FBI is like the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

[roseBudd]

144. Not sure Greene County is north of Cincinnati, closer to Columbus

It is the FBI office referenced in the letter to Conyers saying there was no more to investigate. The point is Conyers wrote a latter, SW Ohio DUers can pop in. I never discount what a man will do if asked by a female :*

[DETERMINEDPROGRESIVE]

146. Hey, That's not true!!

At least the Easter Bunny leaves colorful eggs and the Tooth Fairy leaves a quarter.....

The FBI just leaves your ass feeling sore.