The Nashua Advocate: GOP Claims Bush Won WI, Attempts to Divert Talk of OH

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[bobthedrummer]

1. Kerry won in Wisconsin

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[RaulVB]

2. We take OHIO, Florida and New Mexico, they can keep Wisconsin!

Deal!

[Greybnk48]

3. NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

I'm in Wisconsin and I vowed to move if * won.

If they want to investigate in Wisconsin, they need to check the entire state. I know two people who voted in my area, the Fox Valley, who stood in long lines (up to 3 hours) only to be told there were no more ballots where they were. They were sent to another polling place where they voted, along with many others. But neither one of them is sure that their vote was counted rather than tossed because they were technically at the wrong place.

[RaulVB]

5. I wasn't serious!

Sorry, I understand what you're saying.

[Greybnk48]

6. No apology necessary Raul--I was just being dramatic n/t

[hilster]

4. make it stop

[chalky]

7. Does the GOP reeeeeally want to go there?

I mean, they might be opening the door to a place they don't want to visit.

"What? You mean the Wisconsin count isn't accurate? Well. If Wisconsin is wrong, maybe we'd better take a closer look at some of the other states. I know. Let's start with Ohio....."

[RaulVB]

8. Yep, that's why I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO IT

If the Wisconsin "rethug" wants to play it that way...the more the "merrier", as they say.

[nashuaadvocate]

9. Us too: like the Petro Motion for Sanctions, this is a fight we *want* nt

[RaulVB]

10. As you said, a "gift" (n/t)

[Amaryllis]

11. By all means, if it isn't accurate, then lets recount WI, OH, FL,NM,NV....

[newyawker99]

13. Hi chalky!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[m.standridge]

16. In 1960, Richard Nixon tried to go there

and he got his feelings hurt.
He got recounts in a couple of states, and all it did was not only confirm JFK carried them, it added to the Democratic totals.
Last time (2000), W. asserted there were "irregularities" in Wisconsin and that he might ask for recounts in Iowa.
Initial MSM news stories implied they'd found some students in WI had engaged in vote-buying, or something, with some homeless people.
The whole claim, read rather awkwardly, and didn't make whole lot of sense ("vote buying" is a rather bizarre, naive kind of claim anyway--how would you ever know how someone had voted in an American election that features the secret ballot?)
Anyway, over about six months after the election of 2000, I followed news stories. The whole GOP claim fell completely apart. There was never any student activity involving the homeless or alcoholics. The whole thing was BS.
Bush also had backed away from the Iowa recount because he knew, as Republicans usually do know all too well, that all recounts nearly always do, is add to the Democrats' tallies, not the Republicans. There are a number of reasons for this, not the least being the now rather widely-known one, of poorer (Democratic) precincts tending to have the most malfunctioning election equipment.
On balance, it appears that our good Republican official hasn't done the math. Why should he? He can get headlines or media attention, and divert attention from Ohio, just by making an allegation, however groundless.
That allows the sweating, nervous media to slip into its "objective' status, "non-partisan" and just completely blow off Ohio from here on out, because some GOP yahoo in Wisconsin says "Well the Democrats cheated too."
They didn't. But it's the excuse the media has been looking for. That's the bad news.

[rumpel]

12. Let's send this to Sensenbrenner to investigate the election nationwide

http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=30388

[CAcyclist]

14. Well, the Repubs are fast on their way to taking over California

They are smearing Kevin Shelley to try to get him to resign so they can supplant him with a republican and then they want to do redistricting. By 2006, if all goes the republican way, California will have no paper trail and a republican majority. No one is paying attention because of everything that is happening at a national level, but we cannot let them take California.

Below is a letter I sent to the Chronicle and the smaller locals:
Dear Editor:

Can we get a journalist, please?

While California's Secretary of State, Kevin Shelley, is being investigated for - horror of horrors - hiring Democrats and - gasp - having a temper - amongst other equally specious allegations, the really awful smell coming from Ohio courtesy of Ohio's Secretary of State and co-chair of the Bush reelection campaign, Mr. Blackwell, is being completely ignored by the Chronicle and other corporate media.

RawStory.com, an internet newspaper, is investigating and the newest allegations center around stickers placed on ballots in a county that decided the election.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=7

‘Why were there stickers on ballots in Clermont County, Ohio?’

By Larisa Alexandrovna | RAW STORY Staff

"Serious new election tampering allegations have emerged from an Ohio county,
where witnesses allege that stickers were placed on presidential election ballots,
RAW STORY has learned."

"Several volunteer workers in the Ohio recount in Clermont County, Ohio have
prepared affidavits alleging serious tampering, violations of state and federal law
and possible fraud. They name the Republican chief of Clermont’s Board of
Elections Daniel Bare and the head of the Clermont Democratic Party Priscilla
O’Donnell as complicit in these acts."

Our country is being threatened by traitors who are trying to subvert democracy and the Hearst Corporation is showing their hand by smearing Kevin Shelley while they are ignoring Ken Blackwell.

Dani Weber

[ROH]

15. Interestingly enough...

the exit polls in Wisconsin were spot on with the declared results in both the Presidential and Senatorial elections:
http://www.exitpollz.org/pages/wisconsin.html

[skids]

17. Maybe they want to lose.

Maybe the game here is to file some "Hail Mary" suits. If they get really really lucky, they get something out if it, if not, in 2006 and 2008 they can point back at 2004 and say -- "look both parties filed suits but nothing came of it, just give up."