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[lala_rawraw]

Okay, this is probably nothing. I am a complete moron when it comes to such things, but better be stupid than miss something. Please post your findings publicly, whatever they may be. I am going to rest for a week and this is up for grabs to anyone who wants it. Again, this may be nothing, so please don't get excited. Just solve it if it is something.

I ran a route check on the Clermont County BOE IP, which is hosted by a local ISP, fuse.net. However, the IP is routed through a Texas company run by, well, a guy who used to be one of the higher ups of Enron. Is it normal to just route to another state? The Enron thing may just be coincidence, since they are everywhere, like a virus. Again, this may be nothing, but can someone just post their findings and/or answers here?

Also, check out the various Triad DLTs...some of which make no sense to me. Okay, this could all be nothing and my high temp may be driving me into a dream state or confusion. Just please check into it and I hope it is something for someone to solve.

[Tigress DEM]

1. http://blackboxvoting.org may have already suspected this...

they have posted irregularities like this before as part of their investigation of possible election fraud.

You could send this thread over that way too and they do have people who look at this kind of thing.

[lala_rawraw]

3. um...

Well, Bev never answers my emails. So not sure if anyone there would answer this request. It is really and really odd...the AP steals our stories, but won't give us credit nor access to their information. The indie media uses the MSM sources, based on indie press work. Does anyone see a problem here?

I have emailed Randi, Ed, Mike and probably God and suggested that we form a conduit directly around the MSM. The indie press to indie media...quick response type action. Not a single response. So there you have it... the indie press is stick in the middle and being pressed by lack of resources, while one side takes their stuff and the other side ignores them. I don't mean to imply this of Bev... just started thinking about this again. She, however, it is sad to say, would not answer ANY of my emails.

[newyawker99]

13. Hi lala_rawraw!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[demodonkey]

2. Can you run the same check on two other counties?

Harrison and Monroe?

Harrison's tabulating computer is NOT supposed to be "hooked up to the Internet" (but it is networked to one that is "hooked up" to something, maybe Blackwell's office?)

Monroe's tabulating computer IS hooked up to a modem.

We never were able to find out what the network for all these BOEs was -- whether it was the open Internet, or some private thing with Blackwell's office.

[lala_rawraw]

4. wait...

we reported something on that... they had a wirless connection setup, no? i am soooooooo brain dead... where are the programmers... we need you our friends.... come help. does this regime have all the hackers? what happened to the hacker code of ethics darn it... where are the good ones:(?

[skids]

9. Well, if I have my way...

A good number of them will be here in a few days:

http://uscvprogs.sourceforge.net

And, I'd be most worried about the BOEs that have election results hosted by the very same people that sell them voting equipment or voter registration stuff. For example, search for Microvote here and view the canvasses, and you'll see that the HTML was prepared by a MicroVote employee, which would suggest they were uncomfortably nearby the elections process.

http://uscvprogs.sourceforge.net/boefmts.html

...and one that I hasn't gotten added to that list quite yet is:

http://www.fidlar.com/results/us/

Many counties across the U.S. don't even have their own websites and rely on their "election service provider" to make the numbers public. One concern comes when those numbers get transmitted before they are supposed to be made public, because it could be used as feedback for tuning fraud. Another concern is whether the BOEs just dumbly let the company techs tell them what the results were, rather than operating the tabulators themselves.

[lapfog_1]

5. My snooping around

shows that fuse.net is connected to the internet by at least
one "carrier class" company (though, if I were them - I'd start
looking for other carriers). The company that provides them
backbone services (access to NAPs, etc) is one "Broadwing".

Looking into Broadwing, here are a number of things from their
investor relations web page:

Jim Bannantine

President and Chief Operating Officer

Jim Bannantine is President and Chief Operating Officer of Broadwing Corporation, parent company of Broadwing Communications, LLC, and Corvis Equipment Corporation.

Mr. Bannantine was appointed President of Corvis in May 2002. He has extensive global experience in managing large organizations with complex engineering and deployment challenges, including 11 years at Enron Corporation in Europe, the United States and Latin America.

Prior to joining Corvis, Mr. Bannantine was the Chief Executive Officer and President of Dorsal Networks, an undersea optical networking solutions provider that was acquired by Corvis. He joined Dorsal in September 2001 from Acumen Capital, LLC, a private equity firm focused on international energy assets, which he founded after leaving Enron in January 2001.

During his tenure at Enron, Mr. Bannantine built a strong record of achievement in business development, marketing, finance, operations, and technology. Prior to leaving Enron, Mr. Bannantine served as CEO of Enron South America, where he developed and led a rapid growth strategy while holding complete P&L responsibility for a large division with $3.5 billion in assets, $1.5 billion in revenues, and 4,500 employees.

A licensed professional engineer, Mr. Bannantine graduated in the top one percent of his class at West Point and spent 12 years as an officer in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. In 1986, he graduated with distinction from The Wharton Graduate School of Business of the University of Pennsylvania. Mr. Bannantine also won an appointment as a Wharton Public Policy Fellow to the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative and taught finance and economics at West Point.

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Q. When did the company change its name to Broadwing Corporation from Corvis Corp.?
A. The company changed its name to Broadwing Corporation on October 8, 2004.

Q. Why did the company change its name to Broadwing Corporation from Corvis Corp.?
A. The company changed its name to Broadwing Corporation to reflect its evolution from communications equipment supplier to premier provider of voice, data and video services to enterprises, service providers and government customers.

Q. When did Broadwing Corporation, formerly Corvis Corp., go public?
A. Broadwing Corporation, formerly Corvis Corp., went public on July 28, 2000.

Q. On what stock exchange is Broadwing Corporation traded?
A. The NASDAQ National Market.

Q. What is the Broadwing Corporation ticker symbol?
A. BWNG

Q. Where is Broadwing Corporation's headquarters?
A. Broadwing Corporation, 7015 Albert Einstein Drive, Columbia, MD 21046


A quick check of their stock performance shows that they IPO'd (as
Corvis) in mid 2000 at an adjusted price of around $850 / share,
shortly after the IPO, the stock nose dived in 2001 to near what
it is trading at today $5.41 / share.

Not at all sure what Broadwing saw in Mr. Bannantine's resume that
said "high tech turn around specialist" or "communications industry
heavyweight" (since he was one of the "energy traders" at Enron).

No wonder they changed their name from Corvis (stinking up the stock
market since the IPO) to "Broadwing" ( a name that clearly evokes,
uhh, something... maybe feminine hygiene products).

Sooo.. are you telling me that Clermont County BOE (which I guessed
was Board of Elections) used the Internet, and specifically fuse.net
(and therefore Broadwing) to transmit vote totals somewhere? Or
were their voting machines tied to this network? That's just a
horrible idea. POTS network connections are bad enough, but the
internet? Jeeez.

Oh, here are the results of my traceroute

10 POS5-0.XR2.SJC7.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.142) 28.450 ms 27.384 ms 27.867 ms
11 POS7-0.GW1.SJC7.ALTER.NET (152.63.53.193) 29.145 ms 28.461 ms 29.443 ms
12 broadwing-sjc-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.198.194) 27.144 ms 60.533 ms 26.719 ms
13 216.140.3.69 (216.140.3.69) 26.962 ms 28.163 ms 62.998 ms
14 so-7-0-0.c1.hywr.broadwing.net (216.140.0.69) 29.046 ms 216.140.0.65 (216.140.0.65) 27.281 ms 28.177 ms
15 216.140.17.97 (216.140.17.97) 68.981 ms 216.140.17.53 (216.140.17.53) 65.462 ms 216.140.17.97 (216.140.17.97) 69.214 ms
16 216.140.15.106 (216.140.15.106) 81.801 ms P2-0.c0.gnwd.broadwing.net (216.140.16.34) 82.540 ms 216.140.15.106 (216.140.15.106) 83.264 ms
17 216.140.15.66 (216.140.15.66) 83.109 ms 84.940 ms 216.140.14.17 (216.140.14.17) 83.875 ms
18 67.98.177.186 (67.98.177.186) 84.026 ms 82.500 ms 82.036 ms
19 sw2.svs.fuse.net (216.68.7.19) 81.735 ms 80.819 ms 82.945 ms
20 fuse.net (216.68.1.91) 82.191 ms 81.853 ms 83.254 ms
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[lala_rawraw]

6. right... i know that... but is that a normal

route thing or is this what i think it is?

[lala_rawraw]

7. oh good lord... here comes the disinfor

all over the Web a crackpot is now using some original email as the entire basis for the story that I wrote, which actually discredits the story that I wrote because people are attacking it based on that crap... god help me... wtf, can no one actually read anymore? check out Kos, Mike M's forum... this is like insanity.

[skids]

8. I show them routed through level3

...and Googling level3 brings up some articles about Enron being one of their big customers, but nothing about higher ups in Enron being associated with level3. (This actually caused level3 some stock stress since the folding of Enron threatened their customer base.)

Level3 is a fairly common teir1 access provider and not something I would get suspicious of normally... so am I missing a connection here?

[lala_rawraw]

10. the ceo or the president...

i am really tired you guys... one of them is an Enron guy... my question is, however... is it just normal to route out of state or is this wrong?

[lapfog_1]

11. The short answer is yes...

It's quite normal for Internet traffic to be routed to all sorts
of places that you might not expect, even when creating a connection
from very geographically co-located computers.

ISPs typically get "backbone" service from large national or
international carriers. Routers used to connect from point A to
point B often take into account the "available bandwidth" or
shortest number of internet hops (intermediate routers) when figuring
out which path to use, leading to all sorts of things like traffic
from an office in Tucson, AZ going to another in Denver, CO visiting
both the east coast (MAE-East in Maryland) AND the west coast
(MAE-West in San Jose, CA) before arriving at the destination.
This is also influenced by agreements between carriers which require
that some traffic be directed over a particular carriers links
(mostly cross country optical fibers now).

What is strange is that a local ISP would have only one backbone
connection (which may or may not be the case here, but I only see
one). Typically, even small ISPs and web hosts have 3 or 4 different
carriers involved.

Hope that helps you out.

[skids]

12. I count two.

From here, Level3, someone else saw Broadwing. I suppose a BGP lookup would say for sure, but I don't see anything really worth raising suspicions over. It really wouldn't matter much who the provider was if the equipment was networked when it shouldn't be.

[harmonyguy]

14. Make that three....

I show them through sprintlink

sorry, non-issue

[Bill Bored]

15. Are you saying you have IP addrs of Election Tabulators or what? nt