Dodd's bill focuses on the REAL problems

[Cocoa]

I'm supporting Dodd's bill because it addresses the things that actually affect our elections, not on the BBV red herring.


http://www.bristolpress.com/site/printerFriendly.cfm?brd=1643&dept_id=10486&newsid=13833543

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Dodd has introduced new legislation targeting voter disenfranchisement, mandating that states allow early voting, create standard election day registration procedures, and prevent improper removal of voters of registration lists in federal elections.

Dodd’s bill also calls for a uniform nationwide federal write-in/absentee ballots, and requires that states standardize the distribution of voting machines and poll workers on election days.

U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., has introduced companion legislation in the House of Representatives.

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[Andy_Stephenson]

1. Dodds bill is a red herring

It opens the door for electronic verification and does not even mandate voter verification until 2009.

Let this thread drop. Dodd's bill is TRASH

and in case you hadn't heard...I am no longer with BBV!

[FogerRox]

2. Ahh-- yeah-- What about the proprietary source code?

Etc.
Roj

[Cocoa]

3. Dodd's bill is the real deal

it addresses the things that Conyers' election challenge was based on.

i.e. it addresses the REAL problems, from which BBV diverts attention.

[Zan_of_Texas]

4. Cocoa is the one who has been diverting attention, for many moons.

[Cocoa]

6. I've been trying to

but BBV is a professional PR company, I can't compete with you guys.

[New Earth]

7. did Andy NOT just say

he is NOT with BBV anymore? :hi: :hi: :hi:

who is 'you guys"?

[Cocoa]

9. Andy says a lot of things

[RaulVB]

10. You do too (n/t)

[New Earth]

11. everyone says a lot of things.

we talk and type all day, everyday. what is your point?

[Cocoa]

15. that's my way of saying...

that Andy claiming not to be with BBV anymore doesn't mean much to me.

And it's irrelevant anyway. BBV is so much more than just Bev Harris, it's an industry now. So she has some rivals now where she used to have partners, what's the difference, they're all BBV to me.

[meganmonkey]

21. He also gets alot of things done n/t

[helderheid]

8. us guys?

From BBV? I don't think anyone here is from BBV. Andy certainly isn't with BBV any longer and I trust him.

[Cocoa]

12. BBV lives on at DU

and it's currently supporting a republican bill.

[New Earth]

13. wtf

i'm being serious. BBV is NOT here. Andy is NOT BBV. Bev does not post here, she is banned.

I really don't understand wtf you are talking about.

[Andy_Stephenson]

14. Yes because the Republican bill is

better!

[RaulVB]

16. How come?

Why are you supporting it?

[New Earth]

18. actually i should read that thread again.

i was wrong.

[RaulVB]

19. Is that the case?

Calm down, calm down...

I was raised in A NO MACHINE VOTING CULTURE.

I like my "coffee" without "caramel" on it, let's put it that way.;-)

[RaulVB]

20. Yes Faye, I gather that is precisely something I don't like at all

PAPER "RECEIPTS" or printouts, NOT PAPER BALLOTS.

[New Earth]

22. no, i read Andy's thread wrong

i take back my last post. i'm actually now trying to figure out the difference between the bills.

[helderheid]

25. And all republicans are evil, right I know

Puleez. Some are wondering where the hell their party went. Not only is it a better bill, there is a distinct advantage that it's presented by a Republican (umm... they are the majority now in both houses in case you hadn't heard).

[RaulVB]

5. Keep trying to divert the focus off the fraud

It won't work anyways.

[anaxarchos]

17. Genuine Question: Is this a real contradiction?

I thought BBV legislation was just a subset of general election reform. Is anyone pushing BBV legislation in isolation from or instead of "targeting voter disenfranchisement, mandating that states allow early voting, create standard election day registration procedures, and prevent improper removal of voters of registration lists in federal elections."?

Or is the debate over the more abstract issue of which is the "bigger problem"?

[FogerRox]

23. Randi Rhodes mentioned Andy was "Let go" or sumtin--like months ago

Conyers/Dodd bill is not horrible---BUT--
in my mind--
1) Proprietary source code
2) No paper trail
3)5 major players all repub owned

So I will listen to ANdy--and Faye--Raul--even Bev

[Zan_of_Texas]

24. Okay, let's get one thing straight.

I realize the name of this place is Democratic Underground.

And there are many parties, partisanship, and personalities that have been involved in this whole thing.

Bev Harris is not to my knowledge having a hands-on effect on proposed legislation, although there may be something I don't know about.

Verified Voting is though.

Conyers has done WONDERFUL work so far, but I'm not convinced even he is totally up to speed on the electronic portion of this problem.

I can tell you that having a big name in the Democratic Party does NOT mean you file great legislation -- the Hillary Clinton bill on election verifiability last year was CRAP.

So, let's do our best to be personality-blind, party-blind, and LOOK AT THE LEGISLATION.

If a Republican introduces something good, well good grief, maybe it has a prayer of becoming legislation. (Just watch out for the devilish details, especially in conference, if it does make it through.)

Ensign has been speaking out for a paper ballot requirement for over a year. In fact, he interpreted the law to ALREADY require a paper ballot at the time the voter is voting, that the voter can check, but the courts and, ahem, the vendors, don't. Check it out:

Ensign said Thursday that his amendment to the Equal Protection of Voting Rights Act of 2001 requires a permanent paper record be available as the official record for any vote recount. It also must give a voter the opportunity to change the ballot or correct an error before the paper record is produced.

“There’s nothing more important than having a valid ballot box,” said Ensign, a Republican, who lost a race to U.S. Sen. Harry Reid in 1998 by 428 votes.

December 5, 2005 http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2003/12/05/58407.php

[helderheid]

26. THANK YOU!!!

EXCELLENT post. Thanks so much!

[torque]

27. We can be patient...

Lets take our time here because we only have one shot at getting it right. None of these bills contain paper ballots, only continued opportunity for electronic fraud. Lets move on to the next offering. There'll be more.