HAVA provisions on "paper ballot-voting systems"

[RaulVB]

Look, I've voted with HAND COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS, NO MACHINES INTERVENE ON THE PROCESS, when I refer to those I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT "a voting system that use paper ballots"

Let's clarify concepts before running legislation. If the LEGAL WINDOW in the legislation is open, IT MUST BE CLEAR.


http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/hava/tx_ltr.htm

[RaulVB]

1. Paper BALLOTS. Clear definition is required (n/t)

[keepthemhonest]

2. I personally have alot to learn

about the different voting bills that they want to pass, but I will say we(everyone besides the neocons)need to go for the same one or we will lose out.

[tommcintyre]

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[NationalEnquirer]

12. Good point, but we need to educate the legislators

They'll go for the first thing that sounds good.
No offense, but I dont think many of them are too serious about this and are not giving it enough thought, so we gotta help them out.

[torque]

3. I've seen 3 proposals today and all 3 are worthless

If election legislation can be written on paper then dammit I want my vote written on paper. I want my paper ballot cast by hand and counted by hand, not a (hacked) machine.

I think what we are seeing, and what will continue is "election bill of the week". March out a bunch of flawed bills and say "choose one". All are crap so far... so lets write our own petition and give it to Conyers-Dodd whoever.

[RaulVB]

4. I agree with your opinion

They seem not to understand (willingly) what a PAPER BALLOT IS.

The current "machine oriented" system made THE FRAUD POSSIBLE. TAKE THEM OFF THE EQUATION.

Simple.

[Carolab]

5. I agree.

I am tired of machines creeping in at every turn. Andy says we have to take "baby steps". Baby steps. In a 200-year-old "democracy".

[RaulVB]

6. Some people are talking like "career polticians"...

"Baby steps" after letting a criminal steal 2 elections in a row?

I don't understand.

[Carolab]

7. Revolutions weren't accomplished with baby steps.

We need bold actions. We need to make DEMANDS. Not "ask politely".

[RaulVB]

8. Well, it's really troubling...

Because that language is used by "activists"!

[Carolab]

9. Oh, dear. n/t

[Beth in VT]

11. I'm with you guys -

if we aren't talking about what we really want, there's no way we'll get it. I don't want them passing a half-baked bill and moving on, thinking they've fixed the problem.

The baby steps are valuable but they do nothing to address the issue of how the votes are counted. Most systems already have some form of paper ballot and the problems are legion.

[BeFree]

13. Kick eom

[keepthemhonest]

14. i am not taking baby steps -no way

I think above posters are right about not babystepping after three sloten elections(don't forget georgia 2002)It is revolution time and we need to tell them what we want, not have them tell us what we are going to get.