RECOUNT IS ON IN NEW HAMPSHIRE!!!!!

[DisgustedTX]

Just announced on Air America!!!!!

Thank you jeebus! Edit: Thanks others - BBV rep is on - mentioned the "blue" nature of the state. They're looking into Diebold & optical machines.

Looking to set a precedent for 37 other states!

[andyhappy]

1. can I get an AMEN!

[October]

2. Amen!

[kimchi]

71. A-MEN...

A-HO, and So mote THAT be!


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[batchdem04]

3. not 100%, but it looks good

Andy mentioned the Gov of NH still giving them BS

[Ducks In A Row]

8. I hope the gov eating that bs! :)

[AspenRose]

57. I'd expect that....Benson's a repug...he won't go away quietly

[Ducks In A Row]

4. I knew it would work

Randi's call to fax Nader, caused Nader's machine to blow up, but Randi will buy him a new one

Andy from BBV in now right now talking about it

[kayell]

5. Go Nader!!!!!!!!!! (never thought I'd say THAT)

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[andyhappy]

6. wouldn't it be ironic

if nader saved this fuckin thing for all of us!~

always loved that guy but boy have I been hard on him the past few months.

always fighting the good fight!

GO NADER GO!!!

[LisaL]

10. He seems to be the only one who at least wants to try something.

Bandarik said it's too expensive to do a recount.
:eyes:

[Zhade]

86. Well, can he be persuaded if someone else picks up the tab?

NT!

[redsoxliberal]

88. absolutely...

email they sent out on Saturday:

Dear concerned voters,

I presume that you are all progressive voters, as these messages seemed to track following an entry at democraticunderground.com.

Please rest assured that we are looking into these and other cases of voting irregularities. To begin, I spoke with Nader's campaign manager yesterday, and she assured me that the initial paperwork had just been filed in NH to challenge the vote there.

Badnarik seems to be the only one who can challenge in Ohio.

Nader and Badnarik just spoke together and are discussing some sort of plan to cooperate on this general issue.

Too much is going on, with too little hard objective data, for me to indicate any firm campaign position on this at the moment. We are looking at all of the options, however.

I will be flying to DC early next week, where I hope to learn more. Also, there will be an unrelated press conference at the National Press Club on Tuesday, where I expect we (Badnarik, Nader and Cobb campaigns) will be asked about this. I sincerely hope to have better answers by then.

Thanks for all of your concerns. To any Democrats on this list, please listen to Howard Dean and not John Kerry - we have to end this war immediately! Please put the pressure on Kerry to lead the charge for immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Kerry no longer has to be a tougher war president than Bush.

Sincerely,

Stephen P. Gordon


Email they sent out today:

To all,

I picked the letter below because it was representative of many of your e-mails, and I wanted to send out an answer to all of your questions. There is still a lot of work to shutting down the campaign and of course getting all of our personal lives back on track and the campaign will try to keep up with the job of informing all of our supporters as much as is possible.

Thank you all for your support and your concerns about vote fraud and the results of the election. Unfortunately the situation is that unless you are with in 5% of your opponent with 100% of the vote counted you must pay the cost for the recount and frankly to count even the ballots in just OH, NM, and FL would cost more than the campaign spent nationwide on the election. It would take thousands of man hours, for all of the counting boards in each state. The only one who can contest the results is the Kerry campaign. They have the resources and are within the margin to ask for an official recount. My guess is that they will not challenge the count although they are within the legal time frame.

If it were possible I would certainly look into it, but under the system (that we are trying to change remember) that we have it is just not possible.

Thank you again.

Fred Collins

Campaign Manager

Badnarik/Campagna 2004

[yojon]

25. Irony

Damn that would be ironic!!
Terry McA just seems to have blown away in the wind!

[LisaL]

7. I will second that!

Go Nader!
:toast:

[Ducks In A Row]

11. Say here. I might forgive him if it works.

[txindy]

100. "Go Nader!!!!" LOL! I know just what you mean

It's kind of surreal, isn't it? ;)

[jean]

9. Not a Nader rep, its Andy Stephenson, Assoc Director of BBV

[kayell]

13. GBnC!!!!!!!!!

[juajen]

19. That's God, Bush & nCheney from DU

Go, Andy, Go.

THANK YOU, Ralph Nader!!!!!!!!


:bounce: :bounce:

[Sparkle]

12. Wheeeeeeeeeeee!

[goldengreek]

35. Wheeeeeeeeeeee Too!!

I guesss I can put off buying that one-way ticket to France.


Bill

[Gregorian]

14. BUT, the Governor is questioning the recount.

YOU GUYS ROCK!!!!!

It's too early to say WOO HOO, but....

[LisaL]

23. What's the Governor's address?

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
If we faxed Nader a lot of faxes, could we do the same with the Governor? Ask him why he doesn't want a recount?
Is that a good idea?

[Gregorian]

61. Here's the website

http://www.state.nh.us/governor/

[batchdem04]

15. i hate to be negative

but lets not get ahead of ourselves and get hurt :(

its still not 100% in NH, and then even if it happens, the recount would have to show some serious stuff...

[neuvocat]

16. Didn't NH go for Kerry?

I'm not sure why Dems would be excited about this. Pardon my ignorance in advance.

[DisgustedTX]

17. BECAUSE Kerry won NH makes it a good choice

Hard to scream "foul" from the BUSHIES side using NH as a basis.

[LisaL]

18. Because NH had the biggest difference between exit polls and

actual votes. Kerry was leading huge in exit polls but ended up only winning it by a small margin. So,we suspect something fishy.

[juajen]

30. Also, because this is how * got the popular vote

by skimming off dem votes in heavily dem states. They also did it in other states, but doing it in a dem state almost guaranteed they wouldn't be audited. How else was he supposed to get over 3,000,000 votes to win popular vote? They are devious, scurrilous thieves.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

51. True. Bush got 40% in New York. WTF?

New York has been very unkind to the National GOP and suddenly Bush gets 40%?!?

I don't think so!

[joeunderdog]

83. Even if NH wen RED with the recount, we win. It's a win/win.

Exposing any irregularities will be enough to generate some discussion, some suspicion, some...thing, ANYTHING.

I wake up at night thinking of this fraud that has happened. If we don't stop it now, there'll be no one left in power to stop it later.

[deadparrot]

20. If there are problems/fraud found in NH because of BBV

it will open the door for recounts in more states (we're thinking OH and FL).

[jean]

21. because the counties in NH that used Diebold opti-scan machines

showed very questionable results. By recounting NH, BBV feels they can uncover fraud with these machines and be able to move on to other states that use those same machines.

[txindy]

101. Yes, plus there's supposedly a strong paper trail in NH

:toast:

[Joylaughter]

22. Yes

I'm scared a recount might make it GO RED?

[DisgustedTX]

26. NH can go red; OH & FL could go blue

NH was red in 2000 - would not be a huge surprise.

[goldengreek]

41. That won't happen.

The Bush loss in NH is one of the sure signs moderates and the undecideds brokes authoritatively for Kerry. NH hasn't gone blue since 1964, and it was specifically the state I told people to keep and eye on the day before the election.

[LisaL]

28. And if that happens, we lose exactly what?

We have nothing to lose, nothing!

[blm]

Horsepoo. Kerry was up 17% in the exit polls. NH was tampered with

to pad Bush's popular vote total. I think they did it in every state they could with GOP governors.

[Zhade]

87. What would it matter? As it currently stands, we lost anyway.

Losing NH won't do anything to change that.

Retaining NH might not do anything to change that - UNLESS the discrepancy between a hand recount and the machine tallies are wide enough as to be suspicious, and thus trigger more recounts in areas using similar machines.

This is a good plan.

[Eloriel]

24. There were some serious anomalies in NH

and if the recount shows -- well, here, see these threads:

DU INFO ALERT: Why Recounting in New Hampshire Could Save Democracy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2617155

Need Some DU Help w/New Hampshire Stuff!!! (URGENT)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=26802&mesg_id=26802

RALPH NADER MAY SAVE THE WORLD!!! (Its NOT Over in NH!) Updated Fri 8:15p
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x25116

Nader requests NH vote recount. (Did we just make a huge blunder?)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=965216

Nader, Cobb and Badnarik may all be willing to look into recounts in Ohio
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x26843



So, yes, NH went for Kerry, but NOT nearly as big as it probably should have. A recount would give us a huge leg up on attacking the computerized voting problems nationwide.

[txindy]

102. It almost seems they were saving NH just in case they lost Ohio to Kerry

NH + Florida would've put them over the top. They didn't need NH in the end, though, so they didn't alter more votes. NH took far too long to report that night. It never felt right. Yes, it's hindsight, but it bugged me all that evening, too. Something was up in NH and I felt that even when I still thought Kerry would take the race fairly easily.

[kayell]

27. If hinkiness is shown in the voting machine results in one state, it makes

all the others suspect. Makes it more likely that media may break their lockdown on this story. Using a blue state is strategic, less likely for the repukes to be able to throw an effective fit about tinfoil.

[FormerOstrich]

29. IdaBriggs

The person who did this was DUer IdaBriggs!!

We all owe our thanks to Ida who started the ball rolling on this.

Thank you Ida! You are my hero!!!

[redsoxliberal]

33. YES, Ida, you rule!!!!!!!!

[liberal_in_GA]

34. Thanks to Ida and all other DUers

who started the ball rolling. Let's KEEP it rolling! :bounce:

[JudyM]

43. IDA for President in '08

:toast: :loveya:

[Lostnote03]

53. I Salute You IDA!!!!!!!

.....GREAT WORK!!!!!!

[Iceburg]

64. Of all the studies and analysis put forth, Ida Brigg's work is the most

revealing that the election was a master fraud. Her shocking findings do not depend on the exit polls, but when the exit polls are considered it simply adds to a very strong case.

Thank Buddha that NH has a mix of technologies including paper ballots. Further, the paper ballots are used in precincts that also deploy bbv.

I salute you Ida!!

[TimeToGo]

31. I guess/fear

but I would like it better if it were Ohio.

My generalized fear is that in the recount * will gain some votes. Now, as has been pointed so what -- we lost anyway.

BUT -- if that happens, nothing else will happen, because the argument will not be -- see the machines don't work, but that see the GOP didn't cheat.

Hope I am wrong. But can't imagine Nader being up to anything good.

[JudyM]

37. We don't have to prove Bush & Co were behind it.

That would be huge, but all we have to show is that someone hacked in, or that the voting tabulation mechanism, itself, was faulty.

[DisgustedTX]

39. EXACTLY. The resulting fury will take care of the rest.

:)

[LisaL]

38. Well, how could they say that machines worked

if there is a big difference between first count and second count?
I also agree the best thing would be to re-count OH and Florida.
But Nader didn't run in OH.
And Bandarik doesn't want to do a recount because it's too expensive.
Anyway, we have nothing to lose. It's not like if Kerry lost New Hampshire it would change anything.
Also, they obviously could come back and say that machines were perfect and recount showed exactly same thing as before.
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Zhade]

90. Hell, Republicans might wake up to the machines then!

They naturally want MORE votes for their Commander-in-Thief, so if they learn that the machines gave b*sh LESS than the hand recount shows, they might be pissed that THEY got cheated.

And that's the thing - it's not about Kerry or b*sh anymore. It's about the integrity of the vote. What, Republicans are too dense to think Democrat-linked people (say, Soros) could buy voting machine companies and rig the vote if they wanted to?

Think, man. This is win-win. For EVERY American, not just Dems or Repubs. This is about the ELITE stealing from US.

Even Freepers deserve the right to a fair, clean election.

[LisaL]

32. I just thought of something.

What if Nader ends up winning New Hampshire?
:P

[David Dunham]

36. Stop cheering. A recount hurts Kerry, who presently is first in NH.

[JudyM]

40. So even if he loses NH, it gives fuel/legitimacy to recounting FL and OH

[DisgustedTX]

42. You're right - let's just play dead - that's working well.

:(

[LisaL]

46. And so what?

What does it matter? Kerry lost the presidency, it doesn't really matter by how much, does it?
Anyhow, maybe Nader will end up winning New Hampshire.
LOL.
But I agree, I wish we could re-count Florida and OH instead of New Hampshire.

[DisgustedTX]

52. Are you really that simple-minded or just BUSHIE?

Here's a thought for you:

What if Kerry WINS NH by a MUCH WIDER MARGIN with THOUSANDS of additional votes?

Yes - gee - a tiny state in the Northeast potentially revealing thousands of additional Kerry votes. There's your "lost" (s)election in OH & FL.

[Pacifist Patriot]

47. Some of us are simply cheering that the process is getting scrutiny.

While I would dearly love to see the tide swing and the real vote count go for Kerry, my first priority is accuracy in results and reporting. If it goes for Bush, it goes for Bush. But at least we should know for sure, don't you think?

[LisaL]

49. Yes. At least something is being done.

Instead of everyone cheering of how smoooooooooooooothly election went.

[dbonds]

89. Recount helps

The point is the in NH the exit polls show a HUGE lead for Kerry, but the results show it much closer. The recount will either verify the exit polls or the results. Either way it is a good thing.

[ParanoidPat]

97. As it now stands, Kerry unofficially LOST the election.......

.......so even in the highly unlikely event that Bush* somehow picked up more votes, it's still evidence that the machines miscounted the paper ballots. Depending on the extent of the miscount, we may be able to compel judges in other states that use the same technology to order hand recounts on the weight of the evidence. :)

[txindy]

105. Exactly the opposite

Kerry won, yes, but not by nearly the margin indicated by the exit polls. He will not lose NH in a recount, but it is possible that we can learn something about the way the ballots were counted with the op-scan tabulating computer. That would give us the lead-in to investigate like machines in other states. NH is the first step.

The likelihood of NH going to B*sh is exceedingly low. The likelihood of 'irregularities' being discovered in the op-scan voting process in NH is very high.

The resulting math looks good from here. ;)

[Pacifist Patriot]

44. Is this a retabulation of computer results or a physical ballot count?

[LisaL]

48. I do think New Hamphshire has a paper trail.

There is no point in retabulation of computer results, is there?

[Pacifist Patriot]

60. One would think. But then logic hasn't dictated the process thus far.

[Iceburg]

66. Well re-tabulation of computer results no -- but auditing

of every entry/change made to the database is INDEED a worthwhile endeavour. However, it would require a team of people that are experts in:
- the operating system
- the Voting software language,
- the voting software hardware,
- tally software language
- tally software hardware
- if modems were used to transfer the results (another expert there is required)
+ procedural experts, telephone logs, physical security logs

They are bound to have covered most of their tracks, but I yet to see a cyber crime that does not leave at least one crumb behind.

[dlynne]

45. Official Announcement from Nader

http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=400

Washington, DC:The Nader/Camejo campaign has filed a challenge to the voting results in New Hampshire after receiving numerous complaints from voting rights activists. Below is Nader's letter to New Hampshire requesting a recount. Also, below is Nader's view on electronic voting without a paper trial. In addition, the Nader/Camejo campaign offered our campaign to poll watchers who wanted to be credentialed to be inside to monitor electronic voting. Hundreds of democracy activists in Maryland working with TrueVoteMD.org were credentialed to monitor polling through the Populist Party which was created by Nader-Camejo supporters in Maryland.

[helnwhls]

50. hot damn

bring it on!!!!

[Greylyn58]

54. WHOO HOO

:kick:

[Straight Shooter]

55. Rove rushes to Wal-Mart to stock up on Depends!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[coreystone]

56. Don't Worry About NH, The Important Thing Is To Think of....

the possibilities of Florida and Ohio. New Hampshire is the "lid" over Pandora's box. If Nader and company can prove his allegations in New Hampshire, then, all the monsters can move on to the "27 electoral votes" of Florida and the "20 electoral votes"of Ohio! And, if there is any way either of those two can blow up, then "Whoop tee doo"! It's all about the machines!!!!

:-)

:dem:

[luxpara]

58. Is there anyone besides AAR

that says the recount is happening?

[TimeToGo]

59. We'll see

I certainly hope so -- but I feel there is much more cause for thinking there was fraud in Ohio than in NH, and I am afraid this will stop it if it isn't very, very clear.

I will happily admit to being wrong if I am wrong, but my prediction is that this will be the end.

And once again, we will all be able to say "Thanks Ralph"

[NOWMDNOGWB]

62. maybe this could trigger Kerry to challenge ohio..florida

[coreystone]

63. Maybe he is "indirectly" doing so......

Is there anyone here who is privy to information indicating that this is not occurring behind the scenes, without the Media SPINNING it? Edwards has said on at least two occasions that "EVERY VOTE WOULD BE COUNTED"!!! If we can't trust the "in between" message, then, then perhaps none of should have voted for the Kerry-Edwards Ticket.

Can anyone imagine what would have happened in this country and the media if John F. Kennedy had fully disclosed all of the "behind the scenes" tactics during the Cuban Missile Crisis. My gracious, we fought hard enough to get Kerry in there, how about a little "blind faith" until the "smoke" settles and we can have a better perspective; without the "knee-jerk" reaction.

:-)

:kick:

[shraby]

68. Since tampering with a federal election

is a federal crime, wouldn't it then become a mandate to recount ALL the states that use those types of machines to see if the others were tampered with? Meanwhile Bev is still working with the touch screens to see if they were hacked too. Also sometimes hacking can be traced to point of origin.
All of this takes it out of the Kerry camp into a whole new realm. There will be a media circus, but not focused on Kerry.

[txindy]

106. John Edwards said that every vote would be counted

And that the people would count them. Well, we're the 'people' and we're making those 'other people' count them. Lol! We don't have Rove or Faux News whipping their base into a frenzy while we do it, either, as they most certainly would if this were driven by the K/E campaign.

Works for me! :toast:

[redsoxliberal]

65. kicking this great news!

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[wrate]

67. This is extraordinarily good news! n/t

[Slit Skirt]

69. thank you thank you thank you!!!!!

[Jasper 91]

70. My faith in justice has been restored

Well , somewhat anyway . And congratulations , Ida . You deserve it for all your tireless work . Thankyou . :) :toast: :party:

[redsoxliberal]

73. well... if they grant all the requests we make.

[99Pancakes]

72. Diebold

better known as "Diabolical" ,:evilgrin: was the name used in our voting precinct in Bakersfield, California where I live. I had read about these folks, and even though California's San Joaquin Valley went red for * (the rural vote), I was still nervous to see their name associated with our county of Kern.

[Pirate Smile]

74. If true, why isn't this being reported anywhere? I can't find it.

[Carolab]

75. I'm not sure but

it seems that Randi just read something that indicated some official in Ohio said they don't consider the request official because there was no check? Go to votenader.org and check.

[coreystone]

77. I just heard that also! :-( ..............n/t

[wlubin]

82. Randi Rhodes said about 1/2 hour ago that

Nader put a request in on Friday, but did not include the required $80k, and the NH ppl said they did not take the request seriously because it did not contain the money. Isn't anyone listening to air America on this thread? She also said that it does not mean that Nader will not get a recount.

[DisgustedTX]

85. Ye doth protest much

Click, salute Fuhrer!

[coreystone]

91. She did not indicate Legal Knowledge as to what the "rebuttles"...

would be pertaining to that issue. I live in Vermont, and, unless the Governor of NH has a "legal hotline" to the most "proficient legal" perspectives regarding "THE LAW" on the "check not accompanying the complaint by Nader, I would hold onto the basket a bit. This was originally reported on Friday. We will have to wait and see what the recourse by Nader may be. He is an attorney, and, has been through a bit of "litigating" circumstances in his life. Only time may reveal!

Keep thinking positive!!!

:-)



:dem:

[Carolab]

98. Yes I heard AAR

Posted as such above. Keep the faith, people. This seems like a very minor technicality--if I were one of these officials in New Hampshire I would hate to think that I stopped an effort to ensure a fair and honest national election of this magnitude over a check that didn't make it in time. Nader's organization said they tried to fax it with the request but the fax jammed. It was at 4:59 p.m.

[coreystone]

76. Not too seem sarcastic, but, I am reasonably sure that the 'liberal....

journalists" and the "liberal ownership" of the media MAY BE MORE CONCERNED about reporting about the "Peterson trial" than actually reporting any possible aberrations in the "voting system" of the country which "boasts" the advantages of living in a "democracy" such as the United States, as opposed to a democracy like Venezuela, which "survived" a CIA "coup d'etat"!

:-)


:think:

[Digit]

78. Super news!

Let's get to the bottom of this.

[PatsFan2004]

79. Please remember that NH is not a liberal state. There is no sales

tax or income tax, quite the opposite of the neighboring MA. * basically got the same percentage as in 2000. The difference is that Nader did not siphon off votes from the DEM candidate this time.

There is no way in NH that a progressive candidate would get a 17 point lead over a tax-cut candidate, even shrub. The repuke governor would have won re-election absent his administration scandals.

[West Coast Democrat]

84. Yes, NH is conservative compared to MA....

but not compared to most of the red states.

[AndyTiedye]

80. Why NH and not Florida?

[redsoxliberal]

81. starting with NH

vote counting is not done elsewhere.

[rodeodance]

92. I do not recall? that Nadar was on the ballot in FL- I do not think so-

[LisaL]

93. Nader is on the ballot in Florida, but not in OH.

[rodeodance]

94. thanks lizzy

[judaspriestess]

95. Go Nader

personally I have never disliked the guy. This is what his true calling is, an advocate for the people. Good luck!!

[Kellis]

96. WAY TO GO Kerry Supporters!!!!

:toast:

54 million voters voices will ROAR!:headbang:


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Hosnon]

99. Just saw the thread - as of 10 eastern is this still current?

[Critical Thinker]

103. it's on !

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x31512

scroll down to response 20 posted by heddafoil

[Divine Discontent]

107. I wrote the Governor's office, but with a TWIST

I clicked the "invite the Gov to an event!" link and filled the form this way! Bound to be at least looked at, compared to other emails that they may just delete? Ya never know......


EVENT INFORMATION SHEET
Invite the Governor to an event

ABOUT THE EVENT
Recount of NH ballots!

Detailed directions:
Why are you so against a recount to see why the exit polls were so far off, if someone is willing to pay for it? SOMETHING TO HIDE? Don't want to go down with them do you?
Purpose of event (Please be specific)
To clear the air
History or Background of Event:
Since 1776 this nation has been a Democracy, let's keep it that way.

Who are the key organizers and sponsors of the event? Ralph Nader & the voters

ABOUT THE AUDIENCE

Who is the audience the Governor will be directing his remarks?
Voters
Are there other details about the audience that would be helpful to the Governor?:
We are watching, is all he should know.

Expected number in attendance: TV: 100 million IN PERSON:10,000 est.
Will there be any other elected officials or dignitaries in attendance? If so, who?
Yes, too many to mention, and I'm sure some republican officials posing as an angry mob of voters against a recount for some ODD reason.
Who will introduce the Governor? Media

Who will be seated with the Governor?
Voters

[harpo]

104. Make sure its STATE wide and no certain areas, etc.