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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:38 PM
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Kerry to UNCONCEDE if case made for vote fraud?? Is this legit???
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 05:39 PM by EarlG
Sorry if this is a dupe, but I just received this forwarded email from someone that received it from Democracy Depot (I think I am getting this several tiers in)

I cannot vouch for the content of this email because I didn't recieve an original forward from Cynthia Butler, but I wanted to post it so that others can judge for themselves, email voter problems to the campaign etc!

I hope this is legit and I hesitated to post it without knowing if it is but I didn't want to err on the side of not getting the word out.
(mods if you think this isn't OK to post please remove)


"BREAKING---KERRY TO UNCONCEDE IF THERE IS EVIDENCE OF FRAUD

FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW
EMAIL FROM DC LAWYER CYNTHIA BUTLER

I am angry and getting emails and recrimination from people wondering why KERRY just caved and is not fighting this before the final count in Ohio, before any of the fraud was challenged, before New Mexico and Iowa even came in.

There is widespread feeling that he did not lose the election and that it was taken from him.

There is enough here to warrant investigation and enough to challenge the results. It's coming from all corners.

I understand that he has until the official count certification in Ohio to Un Concede which is several days from now.

Anyone who thinks that he should unconcede should give reasons why -
whatever they noticed, particularly in Red Republican Governed States using electronic machines- and send them directly to Cameron KERRY, John Kerry's brother at his law firm at the address **********

They should inform us if they were not allowed to vote provisionally (for whatever reason- they lost forms, ran out of forms, etc.) I personally witnessed a number of things as I reported in Texas with the DCCC. (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee)

If you know anyone in particular in Ohio who tried to vote and was turned away at the polls please get their information and notify the campaign.

They should be notified if they experienced lines longer than four hours -particularly elderly or infirm people (we call that torture when they do it to political prisoners) . They should be notified if people were told as has been reported that due to too many people showing up in African American precincts, particularly in Ohio where there were too few booths (some only had two or three for the entire precinct) and told because of heavy turn out they
could vote on Wednesday. If the numbers of these sorts of incidents creates a percentage margin that exceeds the margin of victory- Un Concession has to be made to challenge the count.

If people wanted to and tried to vote and were prevented or actively
discouraged from doing so, that is a Civil Rights matter and must be dealt with in terms of the ultimate count.

This is the last email that I am writing on this subject in this venue. I am taking it up in other venues.

Please pass along this to your listservs so that we may make Democracy Work in America. We are not a country where he who cheats best wins.

Cynthia L. Butler
BUTLER LAW FIRM, P.C.
1717 K St. NW, Suite 600
Washington, DC 20036"

*** Edited by Admin to remove personal email address. Please do not post Cam Kerry's personal email address on the message board. ***

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Streetdoc270 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:39 PM
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1. its true
Consession speeches are not legally binding...
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:41 PM
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2. Well then hopefully people can email their proof to the email addy listed
I am assuming the blackboxvoter people know about this? (hopefully)
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:42 PM
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4. why don't people get this?
IT'S NOT LEGAL PEOPLE. KERRY CAN UNCONCEED WHENEVER HE WANTS.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:46 PM
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10. I "GET IT" but the point is they are looking for proof
They apparently want people's first hand accounts.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:44 PM
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6. Consession is just a custom of manners. You are right, no legal weight.
If WE feel the election was stolen WE need to do the fighting to take it back. Waiting for somebody to do something is not how a democracy gets defended. Somebody is US
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:45 PM
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9. Correct, but does Kerry have the guts to step up and demand that...
our right to vote is honored. Kerry cannot concede our right to have our votes counted fairly and accurately. He can insist on a correction of the problem, which in this case means a full airing of all the questionable voting. He has already indicated where he stands on that: he has no stated position, other than Edward's statement 11/3, and don't expect one any time soon.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just another pussy candidate doing nothing to support democracy (I gave, worked, supported others for K-E!).

How ironic that the Democratic candidate is not all over the airwaves insisting that democracy be honored -- count the f'ing votes already.


Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.


http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:41 PM
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3. self delete
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 05:42 PM by kayell
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:42 PM
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5. how is evidence protected when all the promised lawyers disappeared?
Or are they still there and we aren't hearing about it via the blogosphere? Becaues the media isn't going to report it.

Why are they (the dem organization) fucking with us like this. Don't they understand that someone killed himself from the despair?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:45 PM
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8. Because they want to catch the Republicans by surprise.
What they are doing (hopefully) is quietly gathering evidence. Then when they have indisputable proof that fraud did occur..BAM!..they'll release all of it so that the GOP doesn't even have time to respond or prepare a case to go to court.

If they DO go to court, the GOP will have to scrap together a case pretty quickly, while the Dems will have already gathered all the evidence they need.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:57 PM
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11. OMG -- please tell me that's not true
Breaks my heart if someone actually felt that lost.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:45 PM
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7. Regarding the email address
I hesitated to leave the address in the email, but on the other hand how can people contact them if they don't know where to email their findings and their experiences at the polls?

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Ruby Romaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:39 PM
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12. Sorry, this really looks like a hoax
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