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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:20 PM
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BREAKING: Sensenbrener Stuns Room by Shutting Down Hearings (Bradblog)
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 03:25 PM by Amaryllis
This isn't directly related to elections,except insofar as it clearly shows why Conyers couldn't get anywhere with getting Sensenbrenner to investigate Ohio (not that we didn't already know). This is bordering on...words escape me. Facism, I guess. The level to which they will go to shut down the truth from becoming public knowledge...

Note these paragraphs when you link to the article:
To clarify some confusion on this matter, what had been referred to as "Democratic Hearings" today in some places, actually were not Democratic-only hearings (unlike the hearings that took place in January on Ohio Election Irregularities, and the recent Media Bias forum held by Conyers and other Dems).

Today's hearings were called under the archane provision of House Rule 11, which, we are told, allows the Minority to call for an additional day of hearings and to choose their own witnesses if they are unsatisfied with the hearings as held by the Majority.

The U.S. House Judiciary Democrats have been unable to do that previously on issues like Election 2004 and Media Bias because the Majority hadn't called a hearing at all on those matters, and thus, they were forced to call their own hearings.

We are told by a Democratic Staffer who The BRAD BLOG has just spoken to, and who was present at today's debacle, that the Majority has been quite disturbed by those previous hearings for some time, and, in fact, during the airing of Conyers' Media Bias forum (it ran as taped on C-SPAN at 8:30pm ET a few Saturdays ago), an email was sent to a Judiciary Committee staffer which said, in effect, "I'm watching your forum right now, hope you enjoyed it, it will be your last."

SENSENBRENNER UNILATERALLY GAVELS PATRIOT ACT HEARINGS TO A CLOSE!
Republican House Judiciary Chairman Stuns Room by Shutting Down Hearings!
Turns Off Hearing Room Microphones in Middle of Testimony!

As originally reported by BRAD BLOG yesterday, Democrats on the U.S. House Judiciary Committee invoked a rarely used rule to extend Committee hearings on the renewal of the Patriot Act.

Apparently, they inappropriately called witnesses to testify today from whom the Republicans did not wish to hear. And thus, in what can only be seen as an unprecedented tyrannical abuse of Majority power in the U.S. House of Representatives, Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-WI), suddenly and without warning, gavelled the hearings to a close! Unilaterally, without debate, and in the middle of ongoing testimony!

VIDEO LINK AND MORE DEVELOPING INFO...
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001452.htm

UPDATE TO STUNNING STORY OF SENSENBRENNER GAVELLING HEARINGS TO A CLOSE!

Exclusive information from a Democratic Staffer at the hearings...Including:

"The irony, when we're debating the Patriot Act," we were told, "of cutting off the debate and acting so anti-democratic when that's going on, is unbelievable!

"In the committee with sole jurisdiction over civil rights and civil liberties, for the chairman to say, I don't want to hear about guys who are getting their testicles shocked, it's breathtaking arrogance, it's testimony to abuse of power and how this place is now run. They've become everything they said they deplored when they took over the house in 1994."

Conversations with the House Democratic leadership on currently ongoing. The BRAD BLOG has learned that they are "very very concerned" about this matter, and that "the issue will be elevated."

"Ms. Pelosi is very concerned about this," said the staffer.

More Details at URL: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001452.htm
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:23 PM
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1. There are a thousand threads here at DU on just this subject.
Been fun all day.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:30 PM
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2. I looked...didn't see them. But I thought this fit in this forum anyway,
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 04:08 PM by Amaryllis
since we spent so much time post election trying to get SEnsenbrenner to take some action on investigating the election, and also because the freedom to have access to information is so critical to election reform.

This paragraph is very telling:
We are told by a Democratic Staffer who The BRAD BLOG has just spoken to, and who was present at today's debacle, that the Majority has been quite disturbed by those previous hearings for some time, and, in fact, during the airing of Conyers' Media Bias forum (it ran as taped on C-SPAN at 8:30pm ET a few Saturdays ago), an email was sent to a Judiciary Committee staffer which said, in effect, "I'm watching your forum right now, hope you enjoyed it, it will be your last."




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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:31 PM
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3. Amaryllis thank you for posting
this.
solidarity
hiley
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:23 PM
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9. "I'm watching your forum right now, hope you enjoyed it, it will be your l
"I'm watching your forum right now, hope you enjoyed it, it will be your last."

This deserves a kick and a nomination.

Thanks!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:34 PM
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4. Hopefully, there will be thousands more. Freedom on the March.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:49 PM
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5. here are few du threads (with a few comments)


URL:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1844885&mesg_id=1844984&page=

Fri Jun-10-05 11:25 AM

Not yet ... in fact CNN reported on the hearing briefly with a short
clip of witness testimony and made absolutely NO mention of how that hearing ended ignoring the REAL story of the day! This was over an hour after the hearing ended.

...........
great---(not so)---look at what a responder from Finland said!! Europe is listening also to our disgraceful tactics of the 'tyannny of the majority"!!!--and we can not even get our media/press to report on it!!

Fri Jun-10-05 10:32 AM

62. A bigger farce of a hearing
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 10:32 AM



than the Galloway Senate hearing.
I listened to the entire proceedings on CSpan and the actions of the Chairman were strange!!

Confirmed to me that America is certainly NOT a democracy!!

Jacob Matthan
http://jmpolitics.blogspot.com
Oulu, Finland


see
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1844493

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3826497&mesg_id=3826625

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=186&topic_id=8581#8592

Fri Jun-10-05 11:04 AM
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(Video) CSPAN: Rep. Sensenbrenner Gets Angry, Abruptly Ends Hearing
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:51 PM
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6. btw, i heard cnn a bit ago repeat their story --and missed this whole
important story!!!!!!!
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:02 PM
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14. I'm happy she posted this
I've been away from DU and the TV all day and didn't know what was going on. This thread gave a great synopsis and added excellent background information.

As an aside: I have C-Span on right now, and they will replay today's events at 8:20 this evening, Eastern time.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:00 PM
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7. Yes good post.
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 04:01 PM by Bill Bored
This guy Sensen is turning out to be a first class jerk!

We should also be bugging Bill Frist for an UP OR DOWN VOTE on verified voting bills in the Senate!

These guys had better control those votin' machines because if they don't they're OUT in '06! They can't be riding Bin Ladin's coattails forever!
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:15 PM
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8. This is kinda good.
The hearings in themselves wouldn't have made a difference, but:

1) the fact that Sensenbrenner shut this one down shows that the previous Dem hearings got under the GOP's skin, at least. That's good.

2) Sensenbrenner's nutty high-handedness will bring more attention to the whole matter, including the underlying Patriot Act issue. That's good.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:51 PM
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17. Good in that he's showing the level to which they will go to supress the
truth; bad in that the fact they are willing to go to that level on national television shows how brazen and confident they have become. Like the filibuster issue, I think their level of arrogance must come from knowing they can get themselves re-elected fraudulently and no longer have to answer to anyone.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:02 PM
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21. That recourse is dying now finally....
Republicans and Democrats are both ammending for the voter verified audit of election machines, under the account that both sides can willfully cheat and steal and have stolen.

In addition to this, records to count the vote are being mandated. TRUE to form, the neocons are losing their most deliberate use of cheating and will no longer be allowed to elect their own democrats and republicans.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:55 PM
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10. now if only we had some decent leadership in the house who would
support Conyers. Nacy Pelosi has been a huge disappointment to me.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:59 PM
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11. The Brown Shirts are showing their true colors. Hope all those aWoL lover
like what they see. Or are they still blind?
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haroldgiowa Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:48 PM
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12. Not a Democracy
I watched the hearing this morning. The actions taken by Sensenbrenner was not an action you would expect in a democratic elected body. It was more the actions you might see in a dictatorship minus the railroad cars to haul away the opposition.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:10 PM
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15. it was illegal
just like sooooo much going on with this administration. Stole the election, drunk with power.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:57 PM
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13. Boo Hoo - Sore winners
Bite me Sensenbrener.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:46 PM
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16. More updates from Bradblog::
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 07:46 PM by Amaryllis

After the microphones were turned off by a Republican staffer (but still captured on the C-SPAN video), one of the witnesses whose testimony was abrubtly ended, was James Zogby of the Arab American Institute. Here's what he said:

"I just saw something...totally inappropriate. No mic on and no record being kept. But I think as we are lecturing foreign governments about the conduct of their behavior with regard to opposition -- when I see the behavior I saw here today as an American -- I'm really troubled about what kind of lesson this is going to teach to other countries in the world about how they ought to conduct an open society that allows for an opposition with rights. I'm sorry, I'm very offended."

Consider it now on the record now, Mr. Zogby. Thank you for speaking up.

And:

HUGE IRONY ALERT!...Liz from the Rapid Response Network was kind enough to send us a link to a press release by Chairman Sensenbrenner publicizing a letter which he sent just this past Wednesday(!) to Howard Dean. It includes this all too ironic passage:

"These attacks are contrary to the passionate - but respectful - political debate the public deserves."

Keep checking back; Brad keeps adding updates.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:56 PM
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20. I saw that in the replay! Amazing!
"I just saw something...totally inappropriate. No mic on and no record being kept. But I think as we are lecturing foreign governments about the conduct of their behavior with regard to opposition -- when I see the behavior I saw here today as an American -- I'm really troubled about what kind of lesson this is going to teach to other countries in the world about how they ought to conduct an open society that allows for an opposition with rights. I'm sorry, I'm very offended."

Consider it now on the record now, Mr. Zogby. Thank you for speaking up.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks, Amaryllis!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:04 PM
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18. Question for you all -- Nancy Pelosi said:
"I will ask Speaker Hastert to order Mr. Sensenbrenner to apologize for his behavior to the witnesses at the hearing today, and to promise that this will never again happen."

THey are asking for an APOLOGY? Isn't that something of an under-reaction to such an outrageous act?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:21 PM
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19. GO TO CSPAN NOW!
On again!!!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:25 AM
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22. kick n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:28 AM
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23. Please see my post (#13) at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x376708

Democrats learning how to "frame the debate" is not what is needed. What is needed is, a) acknowledgment of 2004 election fraud--and fascist rule, and b) massive effort at local/state level to restore our elections to the public venue.

There is no "framing the debate" with fascists, mobsters, murderers and thieves. They are not civilized. They need to be removed from power. And our only chance of doing so peacefully is transparent elections--unless they themselves implode, which I suppose could happen, but we can't count on it (and who knows what the fallout from a Bush Cartel implosion might be?).

Democratic leaders, WAKE UP!!!
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