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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:34 PM
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From Hitler to Bush; reply from editor of Uruguay paper to US ambassador
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 10:53 PM by Amaryllis
This is a powerful, condemning piece by Dr. Federico Fasano Mertens, editor of La República del Uruguay, to the US ambassador there, Martin Silverstein, who complained about the comparisons the newspaper had drawn between Hitler and Bush.

What does this have to do with elections, you may ask?

"The matter at hand is the comparison between Adolf Hitler and George Bush. There are obvious differences. The first being that the war criminal, the murderer of the Jewish and Soviet peoples, won a resounding victory in the German elections, while the war criminal and murderer of the Iraqi people reached power fraudulently, in the biggest electoral scandal in US history."

Interesting that what is not obvious to so many Americans is so obvious to those from other countries. Note this was written in March of 2003, when only one election had been stolen.

From Hitler to Bush
Original article by Dr. Federico Fasano Mertens, editor of La República del Uruguay: http://www.diariolarepublica.com/2003/3marzo/especiales/separata_20030330.htm
(this link is the one provided in the article, but it's a dead link. Go to the one at bottom of this post to access the article).

Reply from the editor of La República del Uruguay to the US ambassador there, Martin Silverstein, who complained about the comparisons the newspaper had drawn between Hitler and Bush.

A few days ago I received a letter from Martin Silverstein, the US ambassador to Uruguay, accusing La República, a publication which I am honoured to edit, of "totally lacking any sense of journalistic integrity" by comparing George Bush, the president of his country, to Adolf Hitler, the chancellor of the Third Reich.

I have been unable to reply to him any sooner because the act of piracy which his country has committed, attacking a defenceless and close to disarmed country with the most formidable killing machine that the history of the world has ever known, has forced me to devote more than the usual amount of time to publishing special editions on the slaughter. I also found myself taken up by trying to convict US-trained uniformed torturers who had slandered me, a task which I have only recently been able to bring to completion.

Not long ago, when the ambassador visited me in my office, I remember saying to my colleagues that he was the most intelligent, perceptive and witty American ambassador I had ever met. "At last," I said, "a representative from the empire with whom you can exchange ideas, without being poisoned by the same tired, old clichés whenever you attend a meeting."

Unfortunately for the ambassador, however, his wisdom has not spared him the misfortune of having to represent the forty-third president of his nation, George Bush Jr.: a paranoid fanatic intoxicated by messianic passions and dimmer than a slug. A man drunk with power, as he was drunk with alcohol before—and legally condemned for it on 4 September 1976, for driving drunk at full speed. Admonished, too, by none other than the evangelist Billy Graham who told him, "Who are you, to think yourself God?". A militant for the Christian Right, the Texan, Southern Christian right that is. A racist in love with the death sentence, especially when it comes to African-Americans. All in all, the worst US president for over a century, the man who will unleash the greatest tragedies on his own people. The opposite of Homo Sapiens, the incarnation of Homo Demens.

More:
http://www.amics21.com/911/fasano.html
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:47 PM
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1. Amazing. I've bookmarked it so that I can re-read it and absorb more
in the next reading. I've got to go read more about the Bush family fortune.

:wow:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:48 PM
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2. De acuerdo, mi hermano!
Everyone can see the truth except Americans! Dios ayudanos!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:52 PM
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3. Translation, please, for those of us who are so American we only know
English...

What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.

What do you call someone who speaks three languages?
Trilingual

What do you call someone who speaks one language?
American
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:54 PM
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4. LOL
De acuerdo, mi hermano! - I agree with you, my brother.

Dios ayudanos - God help us!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:57 PM
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5. I knew Dios was God, but that was about it. :)
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:01 PM
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6. I love Montevideo
Uruguay in general
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:07 PM
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7. kick the fuck it!
WOW
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:12 PM
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8. Umm...is your post missing a word? :)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:18 PM
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9. at least an "ing"
lol!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:30 PM
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10. Kick, nominated, and emailed to friends. nt.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:58 PM
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11. Kick, recommended
read, reread, bookmarked to read again and send along to everyone I know.
May even print it to share with the non internet crowd.



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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 12:22 AM
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12. Thats quite a letter... an amazing read. It makes me curious how many
Repubs there are with German names. Not to lump all Germans in with the Bush cabal. But it does seem there are quite a few in the Bush administration and congress and other right wing fields. Just to name a few. Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearl, Sennsenbrenner, Gingrich, Limbaugh,Hagel, Frist,Krauthhammer, Kristol,Murdoch,Hatch, Specter, Kyl, Abramhoff, Bennett, Bunning, Imhofe, Craig, Voinovich,Hastert, Savage. Sorry I'm getting a bit carried away at this point.

Hannitty and O'Reilly don''t fit the German mold but they manage to tarnish Irelands nice image.

Ann Coulture would probably blow her own brains out if she had the brains to realize her name came from the French.

Alas just an excercise in sillyness on my part here tonight.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 12:25 AM
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13. Thats quite an amazing read... It makes me curious how many
Repubs there are with German names. Not to lump all Germans in with the Bush cabal. But it does seem there are quite a few in the Bush administration and congress and other right wing fields. Just to name a few. Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearl, Sennsenbrenner, Gingrich, Limbaugh,Hagel, Frist,Krauthhammer, Kristol,Murdoch,Hatch, Specter, Kyl, Abramhoff, Bennett, Bunning, Imhofe, Craig, Voinovich,Hastert, Savage. Sorry I'm getting a bit carried away at this point.

Hannitty and O'Reilly don''t fit the German mold but they manage to tarnish Irelands nice image.

Ann Coulture would probably blow her own brains out if she had the brains to realize her name came from the French.

Alas just an excercise in sillyness on my part here tonight
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 12:26 AM
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14. Thats quite an amazing read... It makes me curious how many
Repubs there are with German names. Not to lump all Germans in with the Bush cabal. But it does seem there are quite a few in the Bush administration and congress and other right wing fields. Just to name a few. Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearl, Sennsenbrenner, Gingrich, Limbaugh,Hagel, Frist,Krauthhammer, Kristol,Murdoch,Hatch, Specter, Kyl, Abramhoff, Bennett, Bunning, Imhofe, Craig, Voinovich,Hastert, Savage. Sorry I'm getting a bit carried away at this point.

Hannitty and O'Reilly don''t fit the German mold but they manage to tarnish Irelands nice image.

Ann Coulture would probably blow her own brains out if she had the brains to realize her name came from the French.

Alas just an excercise in sillyness on my part here tonight
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 12:28 AM
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15. Thats quite an amazing read... It makes me curious how many
Repubs there are with German names. Not to lump all Germans in with the Bush cabal. But it does seem there are quite a few in the Bush administration and congress and other right wing fields. Just to name a few. Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearl, Sennsenbrenner, Gingrich, Limbaugh,Hagel, Frist,Krauthhammer, Kristol,Murdoch,Hatch, Specter, Kyl, Abramhoff, Bennett, Bunning, Imhofe, Craig, Voinovich,Hastert, Savage. Sorry I'm getting a bit carried away at this point.

Hannitty and O'Reilly don''t fit the German mold but they manage to tarnish Irelands nice image.

Ann Coulture would probably blow her own brains out if she had the brains to realize her name came from the French.

Alas just an excercise in sillyness on my part here tonight
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:14 AM
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16. Hey, maybe this guy can write some speeches for Howard Dean! :) nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:00 AM
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17. This should be widely shared! We need to put to shame our corporate
sponsored media.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 12:45 PM
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18. Yup. Don't you love a free press!!!
We Murkins don't tend to pay much attention to what's happening in other countries--especially brown countries (unless they have our oil), but--in case you hadn't noticed--DEMOCRACY IS HAPPENING IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA, right now, as we speak, after years and years and years of US-backed dictatorship, assassinations of populist leaders and US-trainee slaughter of Leftists (Middle-ists, really).

One of the GOOD things that Clinton/Gore did was to back off on the assassinations and slaughters south of the border. (They were for gentler bullying--through items like NAFTA.) The Bush Cartel has been so preoccupied with stealing Iraq's oil and controlling all oil in the Middle East, they don't have time or resources currently to get back to killing South American Leftists, but they have certainly sent out warnings that they intend to (and have already started with Haiti). They particularly want control of Venezuela's oil. Venezuela's oil elite would like to give the Bush Cartel that control, in exchange for money and privileges in the Empire, but Venezuela's populist leader, Huge Chavez, and his great majority support among Venezuela's poor, stand in the way. Venezuela is one of the miracles of democracy in South America. The Bush Cartel very much wants to overthrow that democracy.

Chavez is an interesting fellow--former military man, and potential dictator who went the other way, and helped Venezuela write its first constitution. He included in it a Recall provision, which his enemies promptly used to try to recall him--an election that was heavily monitored by many international agencies including the Carter Center, and which Chavez won big, and quite fairly, according to all the monitors. Chavez is the first brown man of Indian extraction to rule in Venezuela, and has done amazing work on organizing and helping the masses of Venezuelan poor.

Another reason that the Bush Cartel has been unable to overthrow Venezuelan democracy is that the OTHER countries in Central and South America have become much more democratic themselves, and have had some success at banding together and fighting western imperialism (for instance, within the World Trade Organization). They all opposed the Iraq war, despite virulent pressure and threats from the Bush Cartel.

Given all of this, Dr. Mertens' freedom to speak his mind on Bush can be seen in context. There are great things happening in the world outside of the U.S. We tend to rely too much on our own news monopolies for a sense of what is real and what is important--even those of us who see all the lies, and who are in rebellion here. Remember the election in Spain--a complete repudiation of US policy? In South Korea--election of a peace candidate? In India--a repudiation of elitists and fascists? In England--big losses for Blair due to his support of the Iraq war and Bush? (Blair is on the way out.) The Central and South American reaction to US interference in Haiti (protection given to Aristide)? The big and unprecedented demonstrations against Bush in Ireland (when he stopped there)? The huge demonstrations against Bush in England (basically confining him to the Queen's palace)?

These things get no play here, so we don't pay attention, and miss what's happening on the other side of our Iron Curtain.

I find it very, very heartening that the rest of the world is horrified by the Bush Cartel, and much of it feels great pity for us--and hope that we will awaken in time and find the way to throw them out. (State/local election reform! That's the way!)

Our country was the birthplace of modern democracy. We helped defend the world against fascism, and spread ideas of free of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from search and seizure, majority rule, protection of minority rights, a balance of power within government, inclusiveness and other liberal ideas around the world. Many people have looked to us for inspiration. We have been the beacon for the oppressed for several hundred years. This is true despite what harm we have permitted our war machine and our corporations to do. We have tried to live up to our great democratic tradition, and others know it. (Vietnam's ELECTED president, Ho Chi Minh, quoted our Declaration of Independence in 1954!!!).

We have a lot of work to do--and we have allies everywhere, even in places where our government has done great harm, such as South America.

My thanks to Dr. Mertens, and to freedom lovers everywhere!

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Please note: Hitler's "elections" were about as genuine as George Bush's. (Nazi thugs all over the country, stealing ballot boxes, stuffing ballot boxes, beating people up, killing Hitler's opponents, starting riots. Not fair!) (--in fact, sounds uncomfortably familiar).
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:58 PM
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19.  Hitler's "elections" were about as genuine as George Bush's. Oh well,
the author got one fact wrong!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:36 PM
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20. I think he was trying to come to terms with the fact that some people...
...voted for Bush. The majority CAN be tyrannical. It is possible. But I think in both cases the majority's desire for peacefulness, moderation, fairness, tolerance, and intelligent, democratic governance, was overrulled by thugs.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 09:19 PM
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21. If the media did their job, the percentage who voted for Bush would
have been far less. I have a longtime friend who gets her "news" from Faux and Rush. She voted for him a SECOND time. I was incredulous...her values are similar to mine and she has NO IDEA she is being brainwashed.
I am slowly making inroads on the e-voting fraud stuff; as long as I frame it in non-partisan terms, she listens. I am hoping this will eventually lead to more. She is reading Chuck Herrin's articles.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 09:23 PM
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22. Smartmatic just bought Sequoia, and the Venezuelan gov is part
owner of Smartmatic. How do you see this fitting into the equation?
http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=2567
Also, according to this article, their elections were suspect also. comments? You know far more about this than I do.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:59 AM
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23. Bob Dart and the Venezuelan election:
The article that you cite by Bob Dart (8/20/04) appears to be the cleverest piece of anti-Chavez propaganda that I have yet to come across in the US news monopoly press--attempting to conflate concerns about a stolen election here with Chavez's re-election in Venezuela, via the electronic voting theme.

What the article doesn't tell you is that the programming code in Venezuela's election was open source, that all voters were fingerprinted, that there was huge participation by Venezuela's poor (long lines in the poorest areas starting at 3 am), that the election was monitored by dozens of international election monitoring organizations for months in advance as well as during and after the election, including the Carter Center, and that ALL declared the election valid, fair and transparent.

The oil elite in Venezuela has a big trumpet--complete control of Venezuelan media--which they used to try to cast doubt on Chavez's big win of the recall election (by about 60%, as I recall). They also play upon the US Bush Cartel's hatred of Chavez (who believes that some of Venezuela's oil profits ought to benefit its poorest citizens), and they have a sure "in" within the Bush regime, which wants to topple or assassinate Chavez. But toppling Chavez is not an easy task--as it was in Haiti, where they toppled a popularly elected president, whose life was saved by the quick action of the Black Congressional delegation in the US and by African and Central American governments that are pro-Aristide and pro-Haitian democracy. Despite Artide's huge popularity, Haiti's democracy was very weak--and the country ravaged by debt to the French (former colonizers).

Venezuela's democracy on the other hand is quite strong, and Venezuela's majority is passionately committed to it. They have "democracy fever." They strongly believe in constitutional government, after years of dictatorship. Chavez is the key to that commitment. He turned away from efforts by the military to install him as a dictator, and chose to help create Venezuelan democracy instead, and ran for office (and won). His platform is the Bolivarian Revolution--peaceful accession to power of the vast, largely brown and poor population, who have been kept in a state of extreme poverty by the great corruption and greed of the ruling class over the decades. But he is not seizing anybody's land, or putting anybody in jail, or engaging in persecution of any kind. He is PEACEFULLY distributing land that he has the legal right to distribute--to peasants who have been without land to grow food for their families ever since western colonization began. Venezuelan democracy is underpinned by Venezuela's oil wealth (unlike Haiti, which has no natural wealth), and thus it has a much better chance of success. And neither is Chavez acting like a dictator in that regard. He has the right to negotiate how Venezuela's oil wealth is managed and spent (and the oil elite--people who live like westerners and drive jaguars--and who have heretofore grabbed all the wealth for themselves, are very upset by any kind of fairness or justice in the use of oil revenues.)

Chavez is hugely popular, an excellent organizer, and a good president--the relentless propaganda against him by US news monopolies to the contrary notwithstanding. The Bush line here--followed by EVERY NEWS MONOPOLY IN THE US--is that Chavez is somehow a dictator. From everything I can gather, nothing could be further from the truth. He is the FIRST leader of Venezuela who has EVER represented the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, and has been truly representative of the majority, as well as being entirely peace-minded, non-repressive and good-hearted.

I've done a bit of research on Bob Dart, and I find it hard to believe that he would deliberately write propaganda. He seems to be a good reporter. So I don't know what to make of his swallowing the lies of the Venezuelan oil elite in this article on electronic voting. I suspect he may have just succumbed to the overwhelmingly negative rap that Chavez is given in the controlled press here. However, the artfulness of this particular article--the play upon suspicions of Bush Cartel-controlled electronic voting to cast doubt upon Venezuela's election--makes me wonder who was behind it, and how it got written.

The other thing I suspect is that Dart is simply ignorant of developments in Venezuela--and has no idea who these "critics" of Chavez are (who are trying to cast doubt on his election). He should have seriously questioned his sources on this, and done some investigative reporting. (The numerous international organizations that monitored the Venezuelan election all, unanimously rejected the unsupported claims of the anti-Chavez forces regarding a bad election.) Nor does Dart seem very savvy regarding the Bush Cartel and their nefarious plots in central and south America, and their blatant and very bloody schemes to control all the last remaining oil on earth.

I think we have little understanding of how our own so-called liberal elite--or important portions of it--is playing along with the Bush Cartel, regarding control of all the earth's oil wealth, tax cuts for the rich, and corporate global rule. (Just think for a moment WHO signed NAFTA into law--Clinton/Gore.) With regard to PREVENTING any true majority rule--which would necessarily be rule by the poor and the brown and black, both in the US and in much of the world--the rich are of one mind (or most of them are). THEY get to rule, control and profit--and the rest of us do not. This may go some way to explain the pervasive anti-Chavez propaganda throughout the US news establishment, with hardly a word in his favor even in so-called "liberal" journals--as well as the stupid, uninformed, kneejerk repetition of the standard line on Chavez by reporters and editors.

Here's another example of Dart's reporting (seems quite even-handed, and democracy-minded):

"Right, left hit Patriot Act
"As legislation comes up for renewal, many seek to curb its power," by Bob Dart (4/5/05)
http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/2284272p-8663244c.html

In researching Bob Dart, I came across a gold mine of intelligent news and commentary on the Bush regime and related matters, at

http://www.transnational.org/features/2003/Collection_Iraq2.html

Dart seems to be cited, from time to time, by truthful news websites.

------

Sidelight: The Transnational web site had this article by Zogby, which caught my eye: Zogby's damning discussion of how Dick Cheney misinterpreted Zogby's poll of Iraqis:

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=6114
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:45 PM
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25. Wow! Thanks.
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