"How to win the war against vote fraud" CannonFire Blog--GREAT

[autorank]

How to win the war against vote fraud
Thursday, June 23, 2005

CannonFirei blogspot

1. Stop drawing needless distinctions. Don't insist on using "voter suppression" in place of the stronger phrase "vote fraud."

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"Vote fraud!" Don't be afraid to shout the term, because that's what happened.

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The allegedly liberal mainstream press claims that the DNC study demonstrates "problems" or "woes" but not fraud. Keep hammering home this message: The intentional creation of long voter lines in African-American communities IS fraud.

2. Standards of evidence. This is another trap that liberals always fall into -- a liberal being defined as someone who finds his own beliefs endlessly questionable. Many ask if we have uncovered proof of fraud -- "proof" being defined as courtroom-quality legal proof (He must be reading DU EDR!)

Of course, I would never advise anyone to give up the search for jury-worthy evidence. But let's be honest: In our daily lives, we often rely on other standards of evidence.

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Then you can add to your skeptic's woes by piling it on:

"According to my standards of evidence, the 2000/2004 question on the exit polls proves that the Kerry voters were not over-represented in the sampling -- and the exits said that Kerry won."

"According to my standards of evidence, the machines were rigged. We have numerous published reports from across the country that the name "Bush" showed up on the touch-screens after the voter tried to choose Kerry, while we have a near-total lack of Kerry-for-Bush reports. You can't call such reports 'anecdotal' when we get them by the ton."

"According to my standards of evidence, the fact that party chairpersons have functioned as secretaries of state proves that we cannot trust the fairness of the elections held in those states."

"According to my standards of evidence, the fact that a voting machine tech told the Ohio recounters to conform their tallies to the original numbers proves that at least one of those firms is engaged in fraud."

And on and on. If you've read this or similar columns, you know how to construct many such arguments.

# posted by Joseph : 5:34 PM 0 comments

[waynew706]

1. Another suggestion that came up on another forum.....

Everyone vote absentee throughout the country..... That way you will get a paper ballot.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

6. Absentees may not have been added to the vote count

in Hocking County.....see my post on the Sherole Eaton Fund.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x377793

[meganmonkey]

2. It's ELECTION fraud!

Not vote fraud. Although it's better than voter fraud.

I had to say it in honor of Faye - haven't seen her lately :)

[preciousdove]

4. Amen. Republicans lie and claim "vote fraud"

[Amaryllis]

7. Was just checking to see if you beat me to it!

[Peace Patriot]

8. Yeah, my question, too. Why "vote fraud" instead of "election fraud"?

"Vote fraud" is better than "voter suppression" (which is not comprehensive enough, in any case), BUT it bears too close a resemblance to the Bushliars' "voter fraud."

"Election fraud" is comprehensive and accurate.

"Voter fraud" has always struck me as funny. What does "voter fraud" mean to Bushites? "Voter fraud" = the voter voted for Kerry.
"Voter fraud" = the voter rejected our brainwashing.
"Voter fraud" = the voter actually prefers war to peace, but fraudulently voted the other way.
"Voter fraud" = the voter didn't vote for our boy and is therefore a communist traitor and shouldn't have the right to vote.

[New Earth]

10. hahahah

:hi: i just saw that and knew someone in here had better corrected it! :spank:

[eridani]

3. Re point #2

True, we don't have proof. What we have is PROBABLE CAUSE, and under the circumstances that's damned well enough!

[autorank]

5. Excellent point..."prove it" is a rhetorical trick-we need to INVESTIGATE

and then prosecute if crimes are found and reform based on the findings. Anyone whoh says prove it or I won't take yoiu seriously is probably a Republican.

[LightningFlash]

11. More than probable cause....

You have actual incidents and screenshots of manipulated totals.

http://www.votersunite.org/info/content/newmessup-17.asp

:thumbsdown:

The temptation to steal for corrupt BOEs was obviously far too great, especially Blackwell heading it up, there just was no way to resist.

Dangle free candy in front of a child long enough what does he do? He steals it and takes it for his own!
:yourock:

[Peace Patriot]

9. Excellent point, autorank, on people who demand legal proof of fraud.

I've tried to turn this around, too. The election was INVALID on its face. It was NON-TRANSPARENT, *and" the vote count was controlled by Bush partisans. You don't even need the exit polls and all the other mountain of evidence of a Kerry win. No one can prove that Bush won!

Like that.

Hit 'em in their fundamental premises.

[kster]

12. kick.nt

[kster]

13. The Bermuda Triangle

you are on one side of the triangle,

1)You vote on a DRE, your vote then has to make its way electronically across the bermuda triangle to the central tabulator what happens to your vote on the way over, you will never know.

you are on the second side of the triangle

2)You vote on an optiscan machine you feel all powerful because you chose the machine that had an actual physical paper ballot that you scanned into a machine goddamn it, guess what, after you scan it in, it still has to make its way electronically across the Bermuda Triangle to the central tabulator, what happens to your vote on the way over, you will never know.

3)Did the central tabulator get your vote and record it properly,YOU WILL NEVER KNOW.

Paper Ballots Hand Counted and Recorded by the People. Then you will know for sure.

My suggestion we should refer to these vote stealing machines as the (B.S. Bandit)
like the detectives name their bank robbers, so they know which case the are referring to in a hurry, we should name ours (Ballot Stealing Bandits) B.S.B or B.S.Bandits,the Triangle,the B Triangle, SUGGESTIONS?

[kster]

14. kick.nt