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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 09:00 PM
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Howard Dean: Electronic Voting - Not Ready For Prime Time
I just found this; hadn't seen it before. Hope he knows more now than he did then; he seems to think e-voting can be made reliable and that a paper trail would provide a fix.

Electronic Voting - Not Ready For Prime Time

By Howard Dean

June 01, 2004
Tuesday

In December 2000, five Supreme Court justices concluded that a recount in the state of Florida's presidential election was unwarranted. This, despite the desire of the Florida Supreme Court to order a statewide recount in an election that was decided by only 537 votes. In the face of well-documented voting irregularities throughout the state, the U.S.

Supreme Court's decision created enormous cynicism about whether the votes of every American would actually be counted. Although we cannot change what happened in Florida, we have a responsibility to our democracy to prevent a similar situation from happening again.

Some politicians believe a solution to this problem can be found in electronic voting. Recently, the federal government passed legislation encouraging the use of "touch screen" voting machines even though they fail to provide a verifiable record that can be used in a recount. Furthermore, this equipment cannot even verify as to whether a voter did indeed cast a ballot for their intended candidate. Unfortunately, this November, as many as 28% of Americans - 50 million people - will cast ballots using machines that could produce such unreliable and unverifiable results.

Only since 2000 have touch screen voting machines become widely used and yet they have already caused widespread controversy due to their unreliability. For instance, in Wake County, N.C. in 2002, 436 votes were lost as a result of bad software. Hinds County, Miss. had to re-run an election because the machines had so many problems that the will of the voters could not be determined. According to local election officials in Fairfax County, Va., a recent election resulted in one in 100 votes being lost. Many states, such as New Hampshire and most recently Maine, have banned paperless touch screen voting and many more are considering doing so.

Without any accountability or transparency, even if these machines work, we cannot check whether they are in fact working reliably. The American public should not tolerate the use of paperless e-voting machines until at least the 2006 election, allowing time to prevent ongoing errors and failures with the technology. One way or another, every voter should be able to check that an accurate paper record has been made of their vote before it is recorded.

Both Democrats and Republicans have a serious interest in fixing this potentially enormous blow to democracy. A bipartisan bill, sponsored by Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J.), is one of several paper trail bills in the House and Senate and it should be passed as soon as possible. A grassroots movement for verified voting, led by organizations like VerifiedVoting.org, is gaining momentum nationwide.

There is nothing partisan about the survival of our democracy or its legitimacy. We cannot and must not put the success of one party or another above the good of our entire country and all our people. To the governments of the fifty states, Republican or Democrat, I ask you to put paperless e-voting machines on the shelf until 2006 or until they are reliable and will allow recounts. In a democracy you always count the votes no matter who wins. To abandon that principle is to abandon America.

http://www.sitnews.us/HowardDean/060104_dean.html
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 09:02 PM
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1. He knows alot more now.....But will he force the DNC to act...
That becomes the question of what only a real forensic study could provide.
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 02:54 AM
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2. HELP: Need info. on who manufactures equip. for tactile ballots/templates
Am trying to meet June 30th deadline for submissions to VSPP in Sacramento, CA -- request info. on who manufactures equip. for tactile ballots/templates, braille ballots, foreign language ballots...do these need to go thru certification process in CA? What is that process, what is the timeline; is this a feasible alternative (to electronic VAT's) to comply with HAVA ADA reqt's -- seems that it is according to "Mythbreakers" HHHHEEEELLLLPPPPP PLEEEEEZ!!!!!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 02:12 PM
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3. email Ellen at Voters Unite, author of Mythbreakers. She may know.
Edited on Sun Jun-26-05 02:14 PM by Amaryllis
PM or email me; may be able to give you some more pointers.
are you working with Peace Patriot or Emlev or Ojai Person or any of the other CA folks? They may know. Check out the CA threads to find them if you don't know. Suggest you ask this question on one of the CA threads.
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 05:09 PM
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5. Thanks/more questions too
Thanks for suggestion / I had already emailed Ellen this past week and have not heard back from her. Since I am rather new to this site, I do not know where the CA threads are and I'm not sure how to reply to you thru your email either...help!!!!!???

diva
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:49 PM
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6. Here:
Edited on Sun Jun-26-05 06:50 PM by Amaryllis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x379435

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=378741&mesg_id=378741
Look for the threads that have CA in the title, and look for the names I mentioned. You are too new to receive Private messages or emails; I am not sure if you can PM or email others yet. You have to be a member for a certain length of time before you can do this, or have made a certain number of posts. Look for the icons to the right of the person's name on their posts. Click on those to send a PM or an email. Post a bunch of replies on threads; just surf around and make comments and you will quickly have enough posts that you can then PM and receive PMs.

Look for the names I suggested, and Peace Patriot is right; junkyarddog is another CA person. Get in touch with them; you're not alone in this. There are a whole bunch of CA folks working to save your state from the dark side!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 02:43 PM
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4. No, I don't know the answer to this. Kim Alexander, at
www.calvoter.org might know. She has a tel. and email listed there, I believe.

Here it is:

Contact Kim Alexander at (530) 750-7650

Contact web form: http://www.calvoter.org/about/contact.html

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Another source might be JunkYardDogg at DU.

If you can't find the answer re: manufacturers, you can still make the point, and quote MythBreakers. It's the VSPP's and Sec of State's jobs to find the appropriate technology, I believe. You don't have to do their job for them. In reality, it's best of course to provide that kind of info. But it's not required just to write them a letter on the matter. I would certainly trust MythBreakers on this point. McPherson and his Schwarzenegger/Bush Cartel VSPP probably know damn well that it's true. I suppose that's why you want to be specific and name manufacturers--to give them less wiggle room. A good goal--but make the point anyway, if you can't get the info. in time.

Supposedly, you can email your comment up to 5 pm on June 30. I'm recommending fax or Fed Ex because of something Bruce McDannold (McPherson public liason) told JunkYardDogg, that their public email box was "full." That's probably B.S., but might mean they're playing games with the email. Hardcopy is always best. But know that email is allowed--and use it as a backup if time runs out.

See

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x378741

for links to contact info.
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markomalley Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:30 PM
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7. Its been a while since I last posted...
but, if my memory serves right, this electronic voting stuff got a big boost in the wake of the "butterfly ballot" scandal of Florida.

In fact, the "HELP AMERICA VOTE ACT OF 2002" (P. Law 107-252) was the major impetus driving these boxes.

The bad part of this was that the primary sponsor of that bill was Chris Dodd (S.565). Among the 50 co-sponsors were Paul Wellstone, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and John Kerry.

Just something to consider.

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