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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:17 PM
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Need help - give me all you can (links) re Diebold
My state SOS is strong arming the counties into using Diebold. Many clerks are opposing changing from ES&S to Diebold and the devices that the SOS has approved.

I need all the information available regarding the "reliability" of Diebold and any articles regarding their questionable equipment, machines and tactics.

Any links to videos of hacking Diebold machines, links to web sites and links to newspaper articles that can help me educate the clerks in a hurry (meetings Thursday with SOS - deadline to decide August 15) will be most appreciated.

:patriot:

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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:22 PM
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1. Here it is
blackboxvoting.org
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:22 PM
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2. More than that
thanks though.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:24 PM
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3. Here's a starting point
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 04:25 PM by Cronus Protagonist
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:25 PM
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4. We have a chance -- the strong arm tactics are what
most of the clerks resent. Thanks :hi:

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adolfo Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:40 PM
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5. Voters Unite has good printable material
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:47 PM
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6. thanks so much
:hi:

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:50 PM
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7.  Exactly WHAT model are they considering? thats the place to start
There is a report by the Nevada gaming commision that slams Diebold security.





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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:13 PM
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8. Have you got a link to that report? That would be good to have.
I am not sure the specific model - I know that what is being pushed is limited in that it only maintains 190 plus votes and in precincts that have 3000 voters, the number of machines necessary to collect the votes makes the unit impractical.

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:26 PM
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29. sent you pm email me I'll send you the Report-- its pdf
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:19 PM
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9. In particular, go to "Mess ups by vendors"
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:53 PM
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10. Thank you - I'm loading them up with this.
They have no idea about these "irregularities" and "questions" regarding Diebold.

All I can do is try to educate them quickly and I have put them in touch with the person you suggested. :thumbsup:

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:00 PM
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12. Read this and you will understand why they have no idea about
these issues. They get ALL their info from the vendors.

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1328
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:16 PM
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14. Thank you, that does explain a great deal.
They were ignorant of the rumblings in Ohio regarding the bribe allegedly paid by Diebold to the election official.

They have heard tales of fraud, but I don't think they know of all of the concerns. I also sent them the McKinney links.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:53 PM
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11. Heres a good one, someone taped a closed door certification process w
Diebold in Texas:

http://safevoting.org/

Good Luck!

ps. you might want to include the $10,000 and $50,000 "enticements" to Franklin county Matt Damscroeder and Kenneth Blackwell in Ohio. It shows what an up standing corporation Diebold really is.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:37 PM
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16. Thank you so much.
I don't have a link to the $50,000 enticement. Can you point me in a direction?

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:51 PM
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19. Here you go, Cleveland Plain Dealer:
Damschroder said Cummings' name came up in his office conversation with Gallina, who said he had met Cummings recently in the Washington, D.C., area. Gallina told him that he and Cummings agreed on the cut-rate price Diebold would charge the state for its machines, and that Gallina promised in return to give $50,000 to "Blackwell interests."


http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/112150624541561.xml&coll=2&thispage=2
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:32 PM
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20. Gee, thanks so very much.
:hi: I do appreciate all of your help.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:03 PM
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13. There is some great stuff that just came out yesterday; big scandal in GA.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:37 PM
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17. Again, thank you.
:thumbsup:

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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:23 PM
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15. Read Doug Jones' page.
Definitely the above scandal in GA and also Doug Jones' page:
http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/dieboldftp.html

The RABA report prepared for the state of MD which cites 2 previous reports:
http://www.raba.com/press/TA_Report_AccuVote.pdf

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:39 PM
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18. I really appreciate the links
:hi:
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:38 PM
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21. this should do it
20 paged list of documented problems and errors of Diebold systems:
http://www.votersunite.org/info/Dieboldinthenews.pdf

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homeopathic Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:10 PM
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22. Election Systems in the United States
http://www.VotersUnite.Org/MB2.pdf

Myth Breakers:
Facts About Electronic Elections
Essential Information
for Those Entrusted with Making Decisions
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:20 AM
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26. thank you
:hi:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:19 AM
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25. thank you!
:hi:

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:57 PM
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23. which state are you in?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:17 AM
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24. MS
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:52 AM
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27. I figured it was teh same but wasn't sure.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:53 AM
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28. there's some interesting memos on Google
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2F88.net&safe=images

Once we get this under control I will again need the source code text file showing the portion of the code that has changed for submission to Florida SOS and Metamor, I will also need 2 install CD’s.

I would prefer to wait until next week to send this on to Florida. If I notify them of problems now, I run the risk of them canceling Phase II until this is all resolved. Damned if I do and damned if I don’t.

http://88.net/diebold/lists/bugtrack.w3archive/200109/msg00102.html

What is GEMS written in?

GEMS is written in my office.

http://88.net/diebold/lists/support.w3archive/199907/msg00026.html

My feeling is that as soon as someone else has a color 15" screen, our big advantage will go away.

http://88.net/diebold/lists/support.w3archive/199904/msg00033.html

Electronic DRE sufferes from one critical difference from optical scan or other paper based systems. Paper is a write-once medium. Memory cards are read-write.

http://88.net/diebold/lists/support.w3archive/200012/msg00012.html

Boss: If we what to sell them our product we must conform to their requirements.

Programmer: Our first priority is to generate correct election results. That is an absolute. This is not a customer prerogative.

Boss: This was not the issue. The issue is operational features and functionality. This is what will set us apart from other companies that their fist and only priority is to generate correct elections results. What is also an issue is that each individual state, and county, or the customer as I call them, are the ones that determine what is the correct results and how these should be reported.

http://88.net/diebold/lists/support.w3archive/199910/msg00108.html
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:40 PM
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30. Video of Cynthia McKinney's Press Conf!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:30 PM
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31. this just out on Diebold:
Permission granted to reprint, with link. Please forward to your lists and to online blogs as appropriate.
NEW DOCUMENTS FROM DIEBOLD ELECTION SYSTEMS
HAVE A STINK TO THEM
JULY 20, 2005: One late night in Texas, 51-year-old
Kathleen Wynne did something she never thought she
would consider: She jumped into a dumpster.

An ordinary citizen who had become concerned about
the integrity of Diebold voting machines, Wynne was
amazed to find hundreds of pages of documents in the
trash. Among them: internal notes and memos, planning
information, problems with equipment and customers,
price bid worksheets, staff bonuses, and financial
statements from Diebold Election Systems. It was early July, just after second quarter financials, and the Diebold elections division seemed to be cleaning house.
Wynne was a citizen volunteer then she is now
a full-time investigator for Black Box Voting, a
nonprofit, nonpartisan 501c(3) consumer protection
group for elections.

Diebold, a company that boasts of its security, had
made no attempt to shred the documents, or protect
them in any way. Instead, the company was in the
habit of discarding its internal records in various
publicly available locations—an apparent violation
of the management requirements of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. The first batch of documents is posted here:
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/2197/4466.html
(We ll come back to the document stash in a minute.)
DIEBOLD DENIES INVOLVEMENT IN GALLINA MONEY
In May, Black Box Voting broke the story of ACG Group, LLC, which has been funneling money from Diebold into the pockets of . . . someone.
The G in ACG stands for Gallina Pasquale Pat
Gallina. According to the Columbus Dispatch, Gallina
was caught giving $10,000 to the Franklin County
Republican Party, handed off through the Franklin
County Director of Elections. The Dispatch also
contains a report of a $50,000 donation by Gallina
to Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell s political
interests.

Diebold, according to the Akron Beacon Journal,
denies any involvement in the donations by Gallina,
pointing to Celebrezze & Associates and vowing
to fire that organization (set up by Anthony Celebrezze,
now deceased) if it is proved to have provided the
check in the name of Diebold.

Excerpts from the above news articles can be found here
(scroll down):
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/7696.html
Let us now dissect the spin:
1. The money was flowing through ACG Group LLC.
A few dollars may also have wandered into Gallina s pocket through Celebrezze & Associates, but the large, UNDISCLOSED cash was flowing through ACG Group LLC, an entity Diebold has not uttered a word about.
2. Who in their right mind would write a check in
the name of DIEBOLD? According to the Dispatch story,
Gallina showed up at the Franklin County elections
office with a check in hand and said “I’m here to give
you $10,000. Who do I make it payable to? Gallina
claims the money was his own.

However, another principal of ACG Group LLC is Juan
Andrade (the A in ACG). Andrade told Black Box Voting
on videotape that Diebold money is paid to him directly,
and Diebold money also goes through ACG Group, for
purposes that are largely for persuasion. (click
the VIDEO camera picture at Black Box Voting (.ORG)
and select Cook County Money Trail to clips of
Andrade talking about Diebold and ACG Group)

More details of Andrade and Gallina and Ohio money
dealings can be found here:
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/7638.html

99 PAGES OF NEW DOCUMENTS REVEAL MORE PROBLEMS
Diebold financial documents found by Black Box Voting
investigator Kathleen Wynne reveal questionable
payments, and show that some items may have been
untruthfully reported to government authorities.

A document, first published online by Black Box Voting
in July 2004, exposes large payments to entities
investigated for unusual payments to political figures.
Black Box Voting has identified a $144,000 payable to
Lottery Services of Georgia, which was one of 16
companies found to have received “pass-through”
payments from GTECH in a 1995 probe. The same document, and others, show $20,000 per month payments to Andrade, Gallina s partner in the Diebold-funded ACG Group.
Accounts payable document:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/diebold/accts-payable1.pdf
Documents also show payments to California lobbying
firm Rose & Kindel, whose executive recently popped
up with an appointment in new California Secretary of
State Bruce McPherson s administration. The payment, over $45,000, does not match the amount reported by Diebold for the same period (around $7,000).
http://www.bbvdocs.org/moneytrail/rose-kindel-pymts.pdf
(copies of Diebold disclosures to California can be found here):
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/4447.html
In another document, an executive memo, Diebold execs
admit to a culture of ethics problems, and you can
sense the gnashing of teeth as they describe trying
to explain to the Diebold audit committee about the
lying and obfuscating that went on during California
Secretary of State Kevin Shelley s administration.
The memo states that this cost the company dearly,
resulting in a $3 million loss for the year.

http://www.bbvdocs.org/diebold/confidential-exec-memo1.pdf
A document from Coconino County, Arizona describes
refusal to pay Diebold s bill due to quality problems
with the machines.

http://www.bbvdocs.org/diebold/coconino.pdf
A hand-written note asks why voting machines originally sold to Canada were re-sold as new, tracing serial numbers to Mendocino County and LHS (a company that services Diebold accounts in New England.)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/diebold/mendocino-sold-used.pdf
Note that another voting organization,
http://www.countthevote.org, has unearthed other
devastating documents revealing specific failures
in Georgia in 2002.

Additional information about problems with Georgia s
Diebold touch-screens, and links to The Count the Vote
documents, can be found here:
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/7646.html
The GEMS central tabulator program has been pummeled
by computer programmers for its flawed, hack-friendly
design. Documents found by Black Box Voting show
flabbergasting pricing for GEMS.

(Click here to see $325,000 price quote for GEMS on the bid worksheet for Sacramento County, California):
http://www.bbvdocs.org/diebold/sacramento-estimates.pdf
For a company that sells its voting system to unions
(especially the International Brotherhood of Electrical
Workers), both security flaws and union-bashing tactics should give union members a moment of pause.
Latest security failures outlined in this one-sheet: http://www.bbvdocs.org/general/BBVreport-1sheet.pdf
Union-squashing tactics shown in this planning sheet:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/diebold/union-busting1.pdf.
(See page 3, plans to research Teamsters Local 38 as to finances, misconduct etc).
Additional documents, and analysis of the current
ones, will appear at http://www.blackboxvoting.org
throughout this week.

Folks, it is YOUR tax dollars that pays for these
shenanigans. Diebold recently achieved statewide
touch-screen sales for Mississippi, Utah and Ohio.

We may not win this battle by being polite and
working within the system. The system has been
broken for some years now.

We need to rekindle our confidence as Americans
Kathleen Wynne, an ordinary citizen, has shown
that simple actions can have lasting repercussions.

It sometimes seems that we have an inferiority
complex instead of believing in our own innate
good judgement, we continue to leave it up to
the experts.

It is the experts who got us into this mess. It
is the experts who certified Diebold and the other
machines (see http://www.blackboxvoting.org.BBVreport
for a devastating technical report showing just how
flawed these systems are.) It is the experts who
gave us the Help America Vote Act (HAVA). With this
kind of help, maybe we need to go back to basics.
*
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:18 PM
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32. You could send them this. Pictures speak loudly:
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:24 PM
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33. My opinion. Based on over two years research.
I believe that buying a Diebold DRE system for elections is like going into a used car dealer and asking for good reliable transportation. The Diebold dealer sells you a car with no engine. That has been through a flood.

Buying an ES&S DRE systems is like going in, and they sell you a car with no wheels.

Neither is going to get you where you need to go, reliably.

The design of electronic, paperless voting is flawed. Period.

Electronic voting is antithetical to transparent reliable honest voting. It's a license for fraud and flaws.

Diebold has been more obvious in lying, hiring ex-felons like Jeffrey Dean, and a disregard for security, allowing its memos and software to be gotten off the internet. And, now, apparently, handing over large checks in Ohio that sure look like bribery.

But, that doesn't mean the other DRE systems are ok. It just means they are less obviously awful.

Give all the decision makers MythBreakers (from VotersUnite.org).
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 08:18 AM
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34. Ohio Vigilance video from 7/11 Cuyahoga BOE meeting Diebold employee
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