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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:46 PM
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Poll question: How many Bush 2000 voters do you know who voted for Kerry in 2004?
How many Bush 2000 voters do you know who voted for Kerry in 2004?
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:48 PM
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1. Me And My Wife didnt

fall for the lie twice....
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:51 PM
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2. My wife did.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:52 PM
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3.  so did my husband

n/t
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JaneGat Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:54 PM
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4. Four of my mom's friends who were repub lifers voted for Kerry and
a friend, who frequently held repub political gatherings, called us up to say "We've got to get this idiot out of the WH". So, I know five people who switched.
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:55 PM
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5. Another good question would be...
...How many Gore 2000 voters do you know who voted for Bush in 2004?

I think this would highlight how "unlikely" Bush's 2004 "victory" was. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, and then lots of people turned against him, so it seems likely that he lost the popular vote by an even wider margin in 2004.

If we had a simple paper-ballot system where votes were counted publicly in each precinct and announced in each precinct before being totalled nationally, we might even know who won the last couple elections.

What a concept.

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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 11:32 PM
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12. I have already done this poll. Its on the screen.
Nothing scientfic, but the results so far are very close to what I would expect.

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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 11:48 PM
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13. Woops, didn't see that
Asking how many Gore 2000 voters crossed over to become Bush 2004 voters is the obvious clincher.

Because everyone knows the answer - almost zero.

That, on top of the massive Dem registration and turnout, intuitively shows that the only way Bush "won" 2004 was by cheating.
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Shredr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:58 PM
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6. I was a dumb kid the first time around
and I fell for the "compassionate conservative" and "Gore's a bore" bullshit.

Not the second time. Brought 3 of my friends into the light with me.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:56 AM
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22. self delete
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 11:56 AM by tommcintyre
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:00 PM
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7. Not enough
n/t
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:04 PM
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8. Roughly.
2,000,000.
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:08 PM
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9. 3 chimp 2k and I also know 4 Nader 2k voters that voted for Kerry too
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:10 PM
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10. LOL - most of my family, too!
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 10:12 PM by Autumn Colors
Of course, they're all in New York State, so it didn't make much difference ... my mom and dad were lifelong Republicans. My mom had volunteered on Reagan's campaigns. My husband had never registered to vote in his entire life (and he's in his 50s), but all my nudging and forwarding of articles paid off ... he registered and voted for Kerry and we had lawn signs up in the yard, too. Even though we're in a blue state (CT), we live in a rather republican district (Chris Shays' district), so every little bit helped here.

I was also a regular poster on the "Fahrenheit 9/11" board on imdb.com. Yes, a movies website/forum, but that board turned into a political board up to the election (now it's just nonsense). We managed to turn a couple of Bush voters. One drove 9 hours from school in Indiana just to vote in his home state, Ohio. He voted for Kerry, lives in the Cincinnati area and he and his brothers both had problems with their vote. They have no clue if their provisional votes were even counted. The other guy was from California and couldn't bring himself to vote for Kerry, so he voted for Nader. Both told us on election night (we had a group chat going on AIM) that it was information we had posted on the boards that had changed their minds.

It does help .... keep doing it ....
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:15 PM
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11.  yes, it helps when they read the info

my husb. deletes it.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:36 AM
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14. Will the 2 who said 9 or more identify yourselves?
That is important evidence that will be very useful in the analysis of the results.

Could you describe where and who and why and how it happened that 9 or more Gore voters were prevailed upon to switch to Bush?
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:04 AM
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15. Sorry, I had it backwards. Bush voters prevailed upon to vote for Kerry.
Getting my polls confused.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:57 AM
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25. You made me curious about this, and it's why I think NV really was blue
I was precinct leader in Reno, NV and as we got closer to the election, we were doing "swing voter" surveys--most of which were lists of registered Republicans or Independents or undecided Dems. I found two email reports I sent in to my "boss" at the Dem office. The reason I remember how many of the Repubs that had previously voted for Bush in 2000 was because of my notes about the conversations I had with some of these people who had voted Bush in 2000 and were going with Kerry in '04.

Some of their stories stick out--one in particular was of an elderly lady. She had known my Grandmother-in-law (a staunch Republican!). She was residing in, coincidentally, the same room that my Grandmother-in-law had resided in before her death at a retirement home in my precinct. She told me that she had spent a lot of time watching TV and no way could she vote Republican this year. She felt that from what she saw that had transpired over the preceding years since Bush was placed in office in 2000 felt like Germany during the early years of Hitler. We had an interesting discussion, and she was very candid because of my family name. I remember, too, that the majority of elderly voters in that complex were going for Kerry--I remember thinking, 'hey, they can really see the writing on the wall' and I thought it was their age and wisdom, or the fact that they had access to TV all day and night, being confined physically.

Here are two copies of the emails I sent back in Oct:

Sun, 17 Oct 2004
Precinct 526

36 Knocks/contacts attempted
13 Not Home
1 Refused to answer
6 Moved/wrong address
3 Call Back-sick
13 surveys completed
8 Kerry supporters
3 Bush supporters
1 Leaning toward Bush
9 Reid supporters
3 Not voting for Reid, 1 undecided
1 not voting for Kerry, Bush or Nader

AND
Mon, 11 Oct 2004
Here are the latest results from the Swing Voter 526 list:

19 knocks
5 surveys completed
4 voters for Kerry
4 voters for Reid
1 voter for Bu__sh__
2 had moved

It's a small sample, but these are merely two reports of many that I had sent during that time, as I was covering two precincts. It would be very interesting to see if our local Dem party did anything with all those polls--like did any one in the office sit down and find out how many Repubs said they were going to vote for Kerry? They had a wealth of info with all the surveys they had us doing and the GOTV efforts in our area. We were a battle ground state and we were inundated with all kinds of helpers.


Also, my SO is a Republican--never a Bush voter--but my in-laws and bros-in-laws voted Bush in 2000. My father-in-law, an influential Republican locally, couldn't volunteer for the Dem office, but did talk with and poll his friends and long term customers pre-election, trying to convince people to go with Kerry. He told me pre-election that his little unscientific poll was running about 7 out of 10 folks going for Kerry over Bush. Now, I can't say that all of these he polled had voted for Bush in 2000, but the likelihood of that is high. No, very high.

Anyway, don't know if it helps any, all this stuff I just spewed out atcha! But, it was cathartic for me anyway! Thanks for the memories!
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:36 AM
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16. SO FAR, THE AVERAGE IS 2.1 (72/34)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:04 PM
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17. Three: Me, my ex-wife, and a good friend of mine.
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 06:04 PM by Roland99
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StudentOfDarrow Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:08 PM
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18. My father and my friend's grandpa. n/t
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:00 PM
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23. self delete
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 12:39 PM by tommcintyre
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:30 PM
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19. None!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 08:45 PM
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20. I implored my step-mom with my heart to vote for Kerry instead of *.
She comes from a rock-ribbed republican family where thinking for one's self, when it came to politics, was severely frowned upon. To not vote republican was to turn her back on her honored father's memory.

She voted for Kerry. To me, this was her heart triumphing over her indoctrination, and for this I love her even more than I did before.


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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 07:19 PM
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21. kick - In tribute to his tremendous contributions - WHY??? :( n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:20 AM
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24. 9 or more
4 family members and, as a Precenct Leader, I met many, many people who were Repugs/Dems/Inds who had voted Bush in '00 but went with Kerry in '04.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:31 AM
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26. Kick
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