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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:40 AM
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Invisible Ballots
Governments are installing computerized voting systems with no paper record to verify accuracy. Elections will be controlled by companies that do not allow voters to inspect their software. If vote counting becomes privatized, there may be no way to get it back. Hightech vote fraud is already a reality. If you value your vote, you must get this information to your friends – and fast!

http://www.invisibleballots.com/iballot.cfm?x=home
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:07 AM
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1. Actually GOP is not stupid enough to do something so illegal. Chances
are it was voter suppression all the way around. That you cannot prosecute since it was the Dems "decision" not to vote since 1) they were vetted while Latinos were not 2) too long line ups at machines 3) intimidation 4) faulty exit polls that told of Dem wins and encouraged busy family people to not bother getting to the polls 4) pressure to suppress recounts 5) etc.

Voter suppression doesn't leave a fingerprint.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:45 AM
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2. And no one asked * for help with "KATRINA"
thats what the news is saying.

http://news.globalfreepress.com/katrina/Disaster_Relief_Request/

Oh I think the GOP is stupid enough. Bring it on..............


PBHC
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:55 AM
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3. We will never agree. And it pays off every time to the GOP. They keep
us separate by giving us different fears. They will not fix the electoral transparency issue..just like they didn't want the "looting" issue fixed too fast.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:08 AM
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4. People counting their own votes
by hand thats not a bad thing, that would make voting transparent.

"They will not fix the electoral transparency issue"

I think they will have no choice, see we agree. Transparency is the answer.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:13 AM
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5. Yes it is. But it will have to be done on a state by state basis until
Dems get some federal control.

Transparency in voting is where it is at.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:52 AM
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7. Illegal? What kster said was:
"Governments are installing computerized voting systems with no paper
record to verify accuracy."

Check. The new touchscreen machines have no paper record. They are
unauditable by design.

"Elections will be controlled by companies that do not allow voters to
inspect their software."

Check. ES&S and Diebold together count 80% of the votes. The software
of their counting machines is a trade secret, and can not be examined.

There's nothing illegal about it.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:04 PM
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8. AHEM--- they were stupid enuf to start an illegal war in Iraq---
and never underestimate an opponent

They were stupid enuff to pull off 9-11

After all that illegal acitivity --- why is it a problem to pull off some election fraud?

The Pentagon has a anti aircratf misslw system--- FLight 777 flew up the Potomic--- circled the Pentagon--- 3/4s a of a circle--- and the missle system never went off--
It was turned off.

At that point, you had better continue to cover up the previous crime.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:15 AM
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10. with all due respect
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 02:17 AM by garybeck
if you are saying that it was all voter suppression and there was no election fraud with electronic voting, I don't think you have looked at the facts.

the evidence is overwhelming... the "invisible ballots" movie mentioned in this thread was produced before the election. It's a very good movie though.

gb

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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 02:46 AM
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6. kick.nt
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:10 PM
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9. What am I missing? Isn't this the same as DREs?
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