Rove engages in Voter Fraud??? WP has the scoop!!

[Melissa G]

Bush Adviser To Reimburse D.C. for Back Taxes
Saturday September 03, 2005 1:11pm


Washington (AP) - The D.C. government is asking White House adviser Karl Rove to give back thousands of dollars in tax credits he shouldn't have gotten.

It turns out Rove had been claiming a homestead deduction on his million-dollar home in the Palisades neighborhood of D.C. But he was also getting a homestead deduction for property in Texas, where he's a registered voter.

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The city's tax division is taking the blame for the mishap. They had been granting the tax credit even though D.C. law says it's not allowed for D.C. homeowners who vote in other states.

Now officials in Texas are starting to question whether Rove should be voting there. Officials say it's voter fraud to vote in a place where you don't actually live, even if you own property there.

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0905/257208.html

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Let Karl keep the dough - throw him in jail instead

Better yet, take back the dough and jail him too.

[Melissa G]

2. I like the jail term idea too!

you took the words right out of my next post!!! They are always accusing Dems of voter Fraud!!!!
Edit to ask

Why do the rules never apply to KKK Karl???

[BQueen]

3. "A White House spokeswoman says Rove wasn't trying to mislead anyone."

Now THAT would be a first!

:rofl:

[Melissa G]

6. Agreed... Misleading is All Karl ever Does.. Lost it there myself!!

Hi BQueen!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Pacifist Patriot]

13. Breaking news: White House Spokeswoman Declared Insane!

[mom cat]

4. Nice....although I think it it Plame that will sink him!

[babylonsister]

5. Once a crook, always a crook. Let him hang! nt

[FogerRox]

7. reco-freakin-mmended

[Melissa G]

10. I wonder if this will make the Sunday Papers????

What will the MSM say??? Will it bring back the Plame Story???
Inquiring minds want to know???

[GeorgeBushytail]

8. Repubs are so supportive of local govt. /sarcasm

Didn't Frist screw a school district out of money with a similar scam?

[sonias]

21. I think that was Rick Santorum...

who screwed the school districts with a similar scam. But I can understand your confusion with Frist, I'm sure Frist would have done it too if he could have. It's in their nature to cheat you know.

Sonia

[dchill]

31. "It's in their nature to cheat"

It's okay - the ends justify the means. That's in the Bible, I think.

Plus, it's the ONLY way they can "win."

[Helga Scow Stern]

9. Finally, a real incident of voter fraud!

[Melissa G]

11. More from the actual WP article..

Rove Not Entitled to D.C. Homestead Deduction
Bush Adviser to Reimburse City for Back Taxes

By Lori Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 3, 2005; Page A02

Presidential adviser Karl Rove may live in Washington. But in his heart -- and for voting purposes -- he remains a Texan. Which means he is not legally entitled to the homestead deduction and property tax cap he's been getting on his Palisades home for the past 3 1/2 years.

This week, the D.C. tax collector was alerted to the problem. And Rove agreed to reimburse the District for an estimated $3,400 in back taxes, city officials said. But now some Lone Star officials also are wondering about the place Rove calls home.



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Rove, who was touring the hurricane-damaged Gulf Coast with President Bush yesterday, was unavailable for comment, White House spokeswoman Erin Healy said. She said Rove never intended to make an improper claim to the deduction.

"When Mr. Rove purchased the home in January 2001, he qualified for the exemption. He was not made aware of the changes in D.C. law," Healy said. "Now that it has been brought to his attention, he is making restitution. He certainly was not trying to mislead anybody."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-

[Melissa G]

12. They seem to need someone to file a complaint....

Anyway, Rove is now registered to vote in Kerr County, about 80 miles west of Austin in the Texas Hill Country. He and his wife, Darby, have owned property there, on the Guadalupe River, since at least 1997, according to county property records.

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"I've been here 10 years and I've never seen him. There are only, like, three grocery stores in town. You'd think you'd at least see him at the HEB" grocery, said Greg Shrader, editor and publisher of the Kerrville Daily Times.

Charles Ratliff, secretary of the Kerr County Democratic Party, said he's never even heard rumors of Rove's presence. "I have no memory of anybody saying to me, 'Hey, Karl Rove is in town, and he's speaking at the courthouse.' Or, 'Karl Rove is in town and I saw him at the grocery store.'

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Down in Texas, when you register to vote in a place where you don't actually live, the county prosecutor can come after you for voter fraud, said Elizabeth Reyes, an attorney with the elections division of the Texas Secretary of State. Rove's rental cottage "doesn't sound like a residence to me, because it's not a fixed place of habitation," she said. "If it's just property that they own, ownership doesn't make that a residence."

[Melissa G]

16. Article back up!! For a while I could not get the link..

edit to say email this baby around!! I saved article perhaps Truthout or some other service can get the Truth OUT!!!

[Me.]

15. He Was With His Baby Boy?

did anyone see him?

[PinkyisBlue]

27. Voting Fraud

Rove lives in a million-dollar home in Washington, DC, where he has claimed a homestead deduction since buying the home in 2001; he is registered to vote in Texas, where he doesn't live and owns rental property. So which is it, Texas or DC? It's clear to me that you are supposed to register and vote in the state in which you reside.

Poor Carl, he's so confused, he doesn't know where he is or where he goes to vote. He wasn't trying to mislead anyone, he just didn't know! And darn that voting machine last November, he picked one guy on the computer for president but the other guy's name came up instead!!

Charge him with voting fraud and stick his fat butt in jail!!

[meganmonkey]

14. Bwahahahaha!

I LOVE IT!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[wellstone_democrat]

17. Ah, nothin' is gonna happen to him here in Texas

don't be ridiculous. If they try to stop him, he'll crush them like bugs.

Underestimate him nationally if you like but in Texas? Nope, not gonna happen.

[Melissa G]

18. Do we know if Voter Fraud is a state or federal crime???

Any lawyers out there who can help us out with the information?

[progressoid]

19. What's the penalty for voter fraud?

[sonias]

20. Great find MelissaG!

Not that we didn't know Rove was a double dipping fraud. He finally got caught in his lying, cheating ways. I say zero tolerance, throw the book at him and send him to jail for voter fraud.
:mad:

Sonia

[Melissa G]

22. Hi Sonias! Know any Kerr County Dems?

:hi: Kinda Repub there in that part of the hill country as I recall except for the independent Kinkster of course.. Be nice to kick KKKKarl out of Texas voting though..:kick:

[sonias]

23. Nope but if I did baby we'd be helping pay for the legal expenses huh?

Let's keep asking around and see if we find a Democrat or two out that neck of our Texas woods.

Sonia

[MadeinOhio]

24. Karl Rove: The chief of Election Fraud hand caught in the cookie jar!

This FRAUD has kept his fake names in every state to use when hacking the machines!!!!

Going forward, Healy said, Rove will forgo the exemption and tax cap on his Washington house -- valued at more than $1.1 million -- rather than give up his status as a Texas voter. But that raises a new set of questions.

Rove sold his longtime home in Austin in 2003. He was getting a homestead exemption there, too. So for three years, from 2001 until the sale, Rove was claiming homesteads in Texas and Washington, which is, technically, illegal, according to tax collectors in both cities. "Strictly speaking, you can only have one homestead," said Art Cory, chief tax appraiser in Travis County, Tex.

Cory said he would, nonetheless, probably not bother to investigate.

Anyway, Rove is now registered to vote in Kerr County, about 80 miles west of Austin in the Texas Hill Country. He and his wife, Darby, have owned property there, on the Guadalupe River, since at least 1997, according to county property records.

But as far as the locals know, the couple have never actually lived in either of two tiny rental cottages Rove claims as his residence on Texas voter registration rolls. The largest is 814 square feet and valued by the county at about $25,000.

"I've been here 10 years and I've never seen him. There are only, like, three grocery stores in town. You'd think you'd at least see him at the HEB" grocery, said Greg Shrader, editor and publisher of the Kerrville Daily Times.

Charles Ratliff, secretary of the Kerr County Democratic Party, said he's never even heard rumors of Rove's presence. "I have no memory of anybody saying to me, 'Hey, Karl Rove is in town, and he's speaking at the courthouse.' Or, 'Karl Rove is in town and I saw him at the grocery store.'

"Now, you do hear people say that all the time about Kinky Friedman," Ratliff said, referring to the novelist and lead singer for the Texas Jewboys. "If somebody famous like Rove lived near Kerrville, I think I would hear about it all the time."

Down in Texas, when you register to vote in a place where you don't actually live, the county prosecutor can come after you for voter fraud, said Elizabeth Reyes, an attorney with the elections division of the Texas Secretary of State. Rove's rental cottage "doesn't sound like a residence to me, because it's not a fixed place of habitation," she said. "If it's just property that they own, ownership doesn't make that a residence."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/02/AR2005090202397.html

[bleever]

25. You know what they say: Voter fraud begins at home.

Er, wherever that may be...


:rofl:

[Joanne98]

26. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[autorank]

28. You are just too good MelissaB.

:rofl: Get him out of that neighborhood, it's one of the "coolest" in DC. It also has a centrally located "Metaphysical Church" where he can get a variety of readings-psychic, astrological, etc. He should go there because I'm sure they'd all look at him and say:

"You are such an asshole and, by the way, you're doomed! Now take a hike."

On edit: This post should not reflect on the generally tolerant and helpful attitude of most Metaphysical Churches. This one is unique in that it's clergy did their missionary work in RankLand and brought back certain "unGodly" traits.

[MadeinOhio]

29. Read inside. I don't see this type of stuff as "tinfoil" anymore.....

After witnessing the massacre, I think our very survival depends on it. I believe the Grand Juries are handing out indictments there is just too much evidence here that, just goes through too many layers....

Delbert said the team's probe was rigorous. We found it staggering:

“a) 30-40 witnesses were thoroughly interviewed
b) Ten individuals said they actually saw JFK Jr.‘s plane explode in mid-air

Essex County Airport in Caldwell, New Jersey
c) Two witnesses told the team they saw George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush at the Essex County, New Jersey airport with Israeli Mossad agent Michael Harari and another Mossad agent who were both seen standing next to JFK Jr.’s Cessna--all four were at the airport just two days before the doomed plane took off with JFK, Jr., his pregnant wife and her sister
d) Several witnesses testified they overheard the murder plot being discussed in the White House oval office
e) One ‘company’ (CIA) witness at the scene saw the bodies and the damaged plane and told the team a mid-air explosion caused the crash
f) Approximately 150 witnesses gave individual depositions and signed statements for the final report
g) Three flight instructors who worked with JFK Jr. testified he was an excellent pilot and had logged a huge number of flying hours since being licensed--he loved to fly and was that good.”

Delbert told us “At the end of July, 1999, during the final phase of our investigation, we talked to several individual sources in the White House who consented to be interviewed as witnesses.”

“We included their testimony in the final draft of the report which was classified until 2025--not currently available to any living individual,“ said the former operative.

“Since concrete evidence of a plot involving three presidents and a current senator in the assassination of John F. Kennedy’s son--who the report said they perceived as a political threat and future rival--would not exactly inspire public confidence in the government, it’s probable that the American people will never see our final un-redacted report,” said Delbert, “unless there are grand jury murder indictments and a public trial.”

The Players

“The White House sources we interviewed overheard conversations involving individuals who made the decision to murder JFK, Jr.,” said Delbert, who joined three Division 4 fellow operatives and two other federal agency officials in alleging the following names in the final classified report as having participated in planning the murder of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. after the team had interviewed all the witnesses involved in the case:

http://tomflocco.com/fs/PurgeTheEvil.htm

They also talk out in public about the CIA/FBI 'hit teams' for the new government now in place......A sickening disturbing nightmare and we have to take it literally. :mad:

What is so horrible to me is they killed John Kennedy Jr., I had no idea these fascist zionists were involved. I thought they killed the other kennedy's, but not Jr. And how sick it is!

I actually believed the corporate media back then when it said Kennedy died by accident in a plane crash. How stupid I was! I couldn't imagine the media committing treason, yet it already had and was covering up the truth. I hate them. Now I really hate them all except for a few on CNN.

:argh:

[Melissa G]

30. Well this article was buried on the Saturday of Labor Day weekend

Then hardly any papers pick it up only 13 hits on google and except for the one TV link..and they are only dupes of the WP article...
Compare this to the 440,000 one gets when one links Rove and Voter Fraud on a regular search... Where have all the investigative reporters gone?
NOLA is Huge but not enough about Bush incompetency is coming out there either...

[garybeck]

32. sounds like tax evasion to me n/t

[Peace Patriot]

33. Well, I think the interesting part is that WaPo covered it. I mean, what

can you expect from Karl Rove? Petty tax theft and voter fraud fit right in with the lying, thieving, mean, hate-filled, murderous, greedy, fascist fraternity he fronts for. No surprise there--but a great find, MelissaB!

I'm curious about these anti-Bush stories that are getting coverage. I wonder what's up. I think maybe Bush and his criminal gang have reached the end of their usefulness to the war profiteers, and they're now going to try to make us feel grateful for a War Democrat in '08. Now that they've ensconced the U.S. military machine in Iraq, never to be dislodged (my prediction), they need somebody competent to run it all, to expand into Iran and Syria (on some pretext) and to get a Draft--things Bush can't do--especially the latter. They are desperate for more cannon fodder, but Bush's political cache is gone. No way he can do that. He can get some more tax cuts for the rich, and pack the Supreme Court in order to head off reform for the next century, but there will be serious civil disorder if he rams any conscription bill through. A War Democrat, coming in on a wave of progressive promises, will be in a much better position to engineer conscription. They also need a Democrat to start taking the BLAME for the things that may happen as a result of eight years of misrule--the economy tanking, for instance. Democrats will be more efficient at running the breadlines.

I know this stinks. What a downer! But we have to be realistic. Without the right to vote, there is nothing we can do about it. Our leaders will be chosen FOR us. There is absolutely no way that a real antiwar populist can get nominated or elected, with Diebold and ES&S tabulating our votes, and with the war profiteering corporate news monopolies endorsing whatever numbers they come up with.

I do see some hope, though, in the lip service that any War Democrat will have to pay to progressive values--such as honest elections. It might help us get election reform done. That should be our first priority.

I think the war profiteers intend for the War Democrat to fail--to take a lot of grief for the continued carnage in the Middle East, and whatever further hardships occur domestically--so they can install Jeb in '12--at which point our democracy will be over. Whether they succeed or not depends a lot on the QUALITY of the War Democrat--his/her intelligence and grit. (We need a giant!) It also depends on us, the people. They will really have us over a barrel. If we protest too much, if we are too disappointed and turn against the War Democrat in fury--which it will be very tempting to do, I'm sure--then we get bloody Hitler. (The parallels to 1933-34 are chilling--Hitler's rise facilitated by the fracturing of the center/left.)

That is as much as my crystal ball tells me. It's a very unhealthy and dangerous situation--eight years of fascist rule, completely discrediting one party, to be followed by our complete dependence on the rule of the OTHER party, as the ONLY alternative--both having been shoved down our throats by rigged elections. The no-alternative, two-party thing has been with us for some time, but now it's extreme. We, the people--the great progressive majority--will have little influence with a War Democrat installed by Diebold and ES&S. They will likely throw sops at us--like NOT looting Social Security, or a small increase in taxes on the rich, or preventing further erosion of women's rights--minor reversals of Bush policy that look good only because Bush was so bad. But fundamental reform of any kind will be very unlikely--which is why we have to make election reform our FIRST priority and push it hard. (And there is so much corruption in the electronic voting boondoggle, it's going to be a difficult fight.)

Who knows what's going to happen for real? These are perilous and uncertain times, to say the least. We've yet to pass the hurdle of getting Dick Cheney out of power--that could be sticky. He is capable of anything. And one gets the feeling that a real serious struggle is going on, within the establishment, having to do with misrule and vast criminality. (--between elements of the Bush Cartel, Cheney primarily, and what may be good, honest people in the intelligence and military communities). I was struck the other day by that weird press event of Bush's, on the hurricane, with Daddy Bush standing behind him on the one side, and Clinton behind him on the other. I get the feeling the Bush White House is in considerable disarray.

If Fitzgerald is going after Cheney, and that massive scandal hits the fan, the future just sort of cracks open, like a supernova, sending out masses of deadly rays as well as masses of light and potential life. Lord knows what could happen. IF that is what is pending, possibly negotiations are in progress to ease Cheney out without death and destruction to innocent parties. (He has been AWOL throughout the hurricane disaster--"fishing" in Wyoming--and now just canceled a trip to Canada "due to Katrina." Reading his furtive movements is like reading entrails.)

A year ago, WaPo would probably have deep-sixed this annoying little article about Rove's petty theft. Katrina seems to have changed the climate in more ways than one--but actually the political weather was starting to shift prior to Katrina, with Cindy Sheehan's courageous protest. But, as to that, I don't think that ANYTHING is permitted in our controlled press that doesn't serve the war profiteers' plans. My theory about their plan to install a War Democrat actually started with that--with their giving somewhat respectful and widespread coverage to her protest.

[MadeinOhio]

34. No more war democrats!!!!! We will GET our election reform, and someone

In who is ANTI-illegal wars and PRO national defense!!!!

[Melissa G]

36. Hi PP! happy to be confused With MelissaB but I'm Melissa G

We share the back up on the thread as well as the same first name and a rhyming initial so it is easy for us to confuse folks...
Enjoyed your post. Thought provoking as always..
It was somewhat surprising how few papers picked this up. Especially in Texas...
IMO War presidents from either party are a bad idea. One of the many reasons we need to fix our Broken election system is so we can move this country and world forward to a place where war is not the first answer!

[fudge stripe cookays]

35. Interesting...

Through a google search a year or so ago I found where he'd bought the Texas property. I think it used to be a bed and breakfast.

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