Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Developing Hard! A Diebold Insider Speaks!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU
 
babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:48 PM
Original message
Developing Hard! A Diebold Insider Speaks!
Homeland Security warned about undocumented Backdoor in Diebold Software prior to the Election "04" www.bradblog.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:52 PM
Response to Original message
1. Woo hoo!
:bounce:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:53 PM
Response to Original message
2. oh, please, please, please, please, please!!!!!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:53 PM
Response to Original message
3. The story is breaking/developing on Raw Story as well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:54 PM
Response to Original message
4. There isnt anymore info......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:56 PM
Response to Original message
5. This could be good.......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:59 PM
Response to Original message
6. This is HUGE n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. HUGH!!!!111!! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Grannie's rant
Okay, I don't go off much. I'm easy going, pragmatic and try to see the good in every one and every thing.

But the whole voting thing JUST PISSES THE HELL OUT OF ME. I have NO idea whether there were irregularities in Flordia (where I live) or Ohio. I've read both sides ad nauseum. Eventually it tangles my brain.

What pisses me off is that I EVEN HAVE TO WONDER. This is my right. To vote and know that it is counted. Once.

What idiot decided that we could trust voting machines? I mean the ones with no paper.

I can live with politicians I don't like. I can wait and bide my time and look to support another candidate. But if the voting is screwed then SO ARE WE.

Sorry.

Anyway, maybe this will result in some sort of reform. I can always hope.

Or we can just forget the paper results and send our votes in via ESP. Same thing.

Damn I need another Tegretol. My heart is racing.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. You hit the nail on the head!! The fact that we have to guess if
our vote is being counted correctly shows that our "democracy" is a false one.

I think it would be easier to put up with the many politicians I loathe if I knew that they were voted in legitimately...cough, Bush, cough, Cheney...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. Your rant should be printed everywhere
It's that good and absolutely spot on. :hug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. LOL!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #7
29. Yeah, get it write, yuo Morans!!1!!!11
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:09 PM
Response to Original message
9. Company, Feds And States knew!
Did Nothing!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:16 PM
Response to Original message
10. kick !!!!!
Maybe they will use this "newly found evidence" to get rid of *. That is just fine with me.

:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
12. Please God Please!
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Go To Brad Blog!
The Story is up! www.bradblog.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Distribute to the Media!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:57 PM
Response to Original message
15. Oh, lordy! Deep breath!
Oh, I can't afford to get my hopes up too high, I think I may have a stroke one of these days...Can't wait to hear more, though!!

:bounce:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:57 PM
Response to Original message
16. Recommended n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RallyInDC Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:30 PM
Response to Original message
19. its up. this is real good. here's what we can do with this.
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001838.htm

this proves the Diebold exploit was used and was known by Homeland Security and everyone else.....we can now print out all this information, and fax/mail it to every city council rep we see.

we can now force them to de-certify any of these programs due to violating HAVA

just imagine the leverage one could get with a federal lawsuit!!!!!

here's a good place to contact city officials....

http://www.verifiedvoting.org
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. .



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:48 PM
Response to Original message
21. Georgia KNEW and delayed patch until AFTER the election
FIFTH AMENDMENT OT THE
CONTRACT FOR A STATEWIDE VOTING SYSTEM
CONTRACT NO. GTA000040
BETWEEN
THE SECRETARY OF STATE OF GEORGIA
AND
DIEBOLD ELECTION SYSTEMS, INC.


THIS FIFTH AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT FOR A STATEWIDE VOTING SYSTEM (this "Fifth Amendment") is made this 16th day of September, 2004, between the SECRETARY OF STATE of the State of Georgia (the "Secretary of State"), and DIEBOLD ELECTION SYSTEMS, INC., a corporation organized under the laws of the State of Delaware ("Contractor") (together, the "Parties").

WHEREAS, the Secretary of State and Contractor entered into a certain Contract for the purchase of a Statewide Voting System, Contract No. GTA000040, dated May 3, 2002, as amended, (the "Contract"), under which the Contract the Secretary of State purchased an initial deployment and the Secretary of State and local governments have made and are making subsequent purchases;

WHEREAS, the Secretary of State desires that Contractor incorporate into the Statewide Voting System at no additional charge a security adjustment developed by Contractor ("Security Adjustment") and Contractor is willing to do so, including the incorporation of such adjustment in intitial purchases and all subsequent purchases and all subsequent purchases by state and local governments for which Contractor has not provided the Security Adjustment prior to delivery;

<snip>

1. Contractor agress to apply for and diligently pursue Georgia certification for the Security Adjustment described in Attachment "A," hereby incorporated; provided that, if Georgia certification of the Security Adjustment is not obtained by 5:00 PM ET on December 2, 2004 other than due to Contractor's lack of diligence, either Party may, by notice delivered to the other Party no later than 5:00 pm ET on December 2, 2004,......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:17 PM
Response to Original message
22. Weren't they warned about Katrina too? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:28 PM
Response to Original message
23. And the source of the report is listed as blackboxvoting.org
http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB04-252.html#diebold

So is this anything new, or just the same old, same old?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Confirmation is NEW, report is VERY old.
Same old, except now they have a Diebold Insider confirming it and confirming that Diebold knew about it.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. So is this just the MS Access hack, or is it something cool? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. MSAccess hack
nothing cool.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. More info for you
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:38:05 -0400
Subject: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/78

BlackBoxVoting.org reported a vulnerability in the Diebold GEMS central tabulator.

A local authenticated user can enter a two-digit code in a certain "hidden" location to cause a second set of votes to be created on the system. This second set of votes can be modified by the local user and then read by the voting system as legitimate votes, the report said.

GEMS 1.18.18, GEMS 1.18.19, and GEMS 1.18.23 are affected.

The vendor was reportedly notified on July 8, 2003.

http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2004/Aug/1011098.html

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Not sure if the 2-digit code thing is the same as the one shown on CNBC.
But Access is Access and it's clear that none of this is new.
As you say, what's new is that a company insider came forward and that's good.

And it's the tip of iceberg as far as what can be done with these machines.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. It is the same
and you're right - this is the tip of the iceberg.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:41 PM
Original message
Kick!!! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:41 PM
Response to Original message
25. Kick!!! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:10 PM
Response to Original message
30. 3 North Carolina counties have the GEMS backdoor
Pointing to a little-noticed "Cyber Security Alert" issued by the United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT), a division of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the source inside Diebold -- who "for the time being" is requesting anonymity due to a continuing sensitive relationship with the company -- is charging that Diebold's technicians, including at least one of its lead programmers, knew about the security flaw and that the company instructed them to keep quiet about it.

There is an alert for the Diebold GEMS central tabulator, versions 1.17.17 and 1.18
Posted at the United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team site, in a Cyber Security
Bulletin. They describe the risk as "medium".


Medium - A medium-risk vulnerability is defined as one that will allow an intruder immediate access to a system with less than privileged access. Such vulnerability will allow the intruder the opportunity to continue the attempt to gain privileged access. An example of medium-risk vulnerability is a server configuration error that allows an intruder to capture the password file.

http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB04-252.html#diebold

These NC Counties have the GEMS listed as having the back door:
Edgecombe - GEMS 1.17.17
Gaston -GEMS 1.17.17
Rowan - GEMS 1.17.17

We have about 19 Diebold Counties, it is possible that others have GEMS, and it is not listed in my inventory from the NC SBOE.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nc_liberal_lady Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. WOW - Pandora's Box releases Bush horrors - all at once
Gaston County was a nightmare of confusion last election. Many, many "irregularities".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RallyInDC Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. see my new post. you now have the ammunition to force NC...
and all other states to de-certify that machine and so the exploits are illegal by HAVA....the machines can be removed immediately if you force the issue with the cities.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:45 PM
Response to Original message
34. Don't forget, this affects optical scan tabulators as well.
NOT just limited to DREs, people!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #34
38. Superb point!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:49 PM
Response to Original message
35. This needs to go to Howard Dean pronto!!! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:59 PM
Response to Original message
36. Kick nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 04:07 PM
Response to Original message
39. kick n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 01:42 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC