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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:13 AM
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Regional presidential primaries? HUH?
Saw this on Wash. Journal this a.m.--a part of the Carter-Baker commission recommendations? What is this all about?
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:16 AM
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1. Don't know. Kick!
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craigolemiss Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:18 AM
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2. like Super Tuesday
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 12:20 AM by craigolemiss
Not much different than now, but more regionalized states having primaries on the same day. Now many primaries from very distant states arre the same day---Just a reasonable plan---

Consider 10 primary dates each with 5 states voting on that day, and each of these 5 states to be contiguous or close.

Fairly practical really.

instead of for example Maine, Arizona, Washington and Florida the same day, Have Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana all on the same day.

Just an example
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:19 AM
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3. Won't that be easier to RIG???? n/t
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craigolemiss Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:22 AM
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4. Really a matter of how much tin foil is in your hat.
Since each states elections are controlled at the state level...it seems to me that Its no easier or difficult either way.



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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:26 AM
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5. But, if one state is trending one way and one another....
If it's all pooled together as "one regional result", wouldn't it be easier to manipulate one state's results to balance another's and make it even HARDER to audit and investigate?
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craigolemiss Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:27 AM
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6. No--Each state is still seperate
Just that the Groupings of states would be regional
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:04 AM
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15. Might well be a good idea
I don't see vote-rigging as an issue. As it is now, there are several dates on which multiple states hold primaries. Clustering them geographically simply means that the candidates could spend more time meeting voters and less time flying around.

One advantage of regional primaries with rotating dates is that people from all over the country would have an equal chance at casting the more influential early votes. The present system is unfairly tilted toward Iowa and New Hampshire.

An argument against it is that it would be harder for a poorly funded candidate to do well early and pick up momentum. Under the present system, a candidate who has more message than money can gain some attention in Iowa and New Hampshire before hitting the stretch of the calendar where there are multiple primaries on the same day, and money becomes more important.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:31 AM
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7. Dang if the cut/paste won't work.
The text says their endorsing the Nat. Assoc. of Sec. of State's recommendation for 4 "regional primaries", at one month intervals (March-June), with region's rotating calendar position every four years, with aim to create a more "rational" and inclusive/representitive process.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:32 AM
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8. Wilms, saw that too...I don't trust this...what's up here? n/t
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:58 AM
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13. On it's face it seems reasonable.
How might it be rigged more so than it is already?
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:35 AM
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9. I haven't seen the proposals
but coming from James {New Pearl Harbor} Baker I dont trust anything
he puts forth.Baker is PNAC,I like Carter but !!! I have reservations
is he becoming like Bill Clinton.I can't put my anger toward the Bsuh
Crime Family away.I remain suspicious...
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:38 AM
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10. I know what you mean, ever since I saw Carter's picture at Bohemian Grove,
I've "wondered" about him, too.

They are opposite sides of the same coin.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:29 AM
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14. wow...I didn't know that Carol
Jimmy Carter spending the weekend at the Bohemian Grove,I read some
warped practices go on there,the filty rich act out and even do a
mock sacrifice,Arnold visited the Grove and a week later announced his
run for Governor of California.
Your pretty sharp, ty..
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craigolemiss Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:53 AM
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11. Anyone have the link for the PDF of the Proposal?
I have it someplace but think I dumped it in one of those folders called "Stuff" on my hard driver along with 10,000 other files I will never find again.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:55 AM
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12. Here
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