Wilms
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Wed Jan-11-06 06:35 AM
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Has Any State Banned DRE's? |
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There are a lot of states requiring VVPAT with DRE's (and who knows what that paper is worth, but I digress).
A lot of states will have a mixture of OpScans and DRE's as counties see/saw fit.
Some states haven't certified a DRE for use, not that they may not eventually. So they are a grouping, too
But, what I'm wondering is if any state outright banned DRE's, with a possible exception of one per polling place for disabilities purposes. (Better a ballot marker in that case, but, again, I digress.)
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Wed Jan-11-06 07:15 AM
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What The Fuck Ya Talking About?
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Wed Jan-11-06 11:12 AM
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2. Didn't Connecticut do this? |
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Wed Jan-11-06 11:18 AM
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3. CT only cancelled the RFP for DREs. They still have the option |
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of purchasing them when a new RFP is issued.
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Wed Jan-11-06 02:14 PM
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4. Vermont has banned DREs. |
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we passed a law forbidding any voting that is not done on paper ballots.
we ended up with Diebold opscans instead.
they're always a step ahead of us. eventually we'll catch up. we are working to get random audits here now.
but to answer your question, yes, Vermont has definitely banned DREs. You might want to check into Oregon too.
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Wed Jan-11-06 03:35 PM
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5. Thanks. And will do on OR. n/t |
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Wed Jan-11-06 03:38 PM
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Wed Jan-11-06 09:20 PM
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8. OR has approved the Automark for disabled voters. OR law requires |
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Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 09:28 PM by Amaryllis
a paper ballot and the ability to hand recount so the automark was the only thing that met that requirement. Our SOS passed the law requiring a paper ballot that was hand recountable...not sure when, but it's been a couple years, anyway, so the Automark was the only thing for disabled voters that was compliant with OR law. So I guess technically, while DRE's aren't actually banned, they are not compliant with OR law. We have no DRE's; the whole system is vote by mail. But, you don't have to mail your ballot; you can take it to BOE or your branch library. Vote by mail already solves most accessibility requirements for disabled voters.
BUT, we still have ES&S and Sequoia scanners and tabulators doing the counting, so that's our main area of focus. In that respect we are pretty much like VT. All paper ballots, but I sure don't trust those scanners and tabulators.
Fortunately, we have THom Hartmann doing his local show in Portland, and he is on this constantly, talking about proprietary software being used to count our votes, and all the dirt on the companies and so on. We can always call in and bring it up, too. He has actually told us to do that as an action item - call his local and national show and bring it up. He feels so strongly about it that he will always find a way to bring the discussion around to that, even if it's off topic when you call. Just say you want to talk about electronic voting and he will put you on, but you may have to wait if it's off topic or if he has a guest on talking about something else.
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Thu Jan-12-06 04:29 AM
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9. So AutoMark is the extent of it. Could be worse. |
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A great model, I think, actually.
It's neat, too, that they wouldn't use a VVPAT DRE for the diabilities community and went with a "Ballot Marker".
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Thu Jan-12-06 12:38 PM
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10. But the vote counting is a BIG issue...vendor scanners and tabulators. |
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The rest of the OR system is great, but we also have election officials comitted to fair and honest elections. Wouldn't work in OH or FL. If they're bent on corruption, they can corrupt anything, but obviously a system based on paper is harder to corrupt on a massive scale.
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Thu Jan-12-06 05:23 PM
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it appears great on the surface, with all paper ballots. but the vote counting is all secret. which makes it only slightly better than DREs. What's worse, there's a misconception that our system is secure because we have paper ballots, and it's an uphill battle here to recruit activists.
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Thu Jan-12-06 06:59 PM
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12. Same here as far as the perception that things are great, but Thom |
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Hartmann is making great strides in dispelling that illusion, at least in the Portland area, which is the largest population base.
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Thu Jan-12-06 11:39 PM
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It's difficult in that a lot of reformer need(ed) to use OpScan to fight off DRE.
How do they go back and say lose the OpScan, too.
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Fri Jan-13-06 02:10 AM
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14. who makes your scanners? n/t |
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Wed Jan-11-06 03:45 PM
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7. here is the VT law: AN ACT RELATING TO VOTING MACHINES. |
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NO. 94. AN ACT RELATING TO VOTING MACHINES. (S.202) It is hereby enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Vermont: Sec. 1. 17 V.S.A. § 2478 is amended to read: § 2478. NUMBER OF PAPER BALLOTS TO BE PRINTED AND FURNISHED (e) No voting shall occur in any general election which does not use printed ballots.link to law: http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/legdoc.cfm?URL=/docs/2004/acts/ACT094.HTM
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