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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:38 PM
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Have you tried to educate your senators about election issues since '04?
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 10:54 PM by Amaryllis
Just curious. We've been so busy working at a state level that we haven't been focusing on our senator since right after the election leading up to Jan. 6 when we were trying to get them to stand against the certification of Ohio's electors. (I say senator singular instead of senators because Gordon Smith is useless.)

I subscribe to Land Shark's premise that national legislation is not the way to go, but it seems that it would be very useful if you have an educatable senator to do as much as possible to make him/her aware of the issues. I don't see this addressed very often here and just wondered what people have done/are doing to educate your U.S.Senators, and what your thoughts are on this.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:33 AM
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1. K&R n/t
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:26 PM
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2. What are your thoughts on this, Wilms? I don't ever read anything about
this on DU and wonder what others are doing/thinking.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:18 PM
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3. I agree that the states are where it's at.

That doesn't preclude telling senators.

In fact, with HAVA as an example, fed legislation can/does happen. Further, it may inform the states, ie: perhaps some are reviewing HR550 to incorporate bits of it.

So I say, talk to your senator.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:43 PM
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4. For what it's worth, I couldn't get Boxer's office interested in the topic
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 06:07 PM by nicknameless
when former (and great Dem) SoS, Kevin Shelley, was being forced out. Her office referred to it as a "state issue".
WTF?! The state whose machines her future elections were going to be relying on!
(The rethugs were forcing Shelley out so that they could take control of elections and the machines used.)

Maybe it's a matter of "so much corruption, so little time", but there would be far less corruption if our elections were clean.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 06:13 PM
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5. If it wasn't a separate issue then, it is now.

She might have said Shelley is a state issue. While elections are, too, perhaps she'd respond differently to Election Management issues.

In fact, I was guessing she does. She did co-sponsor legislation.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:18 PM
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9. The smear and take-down of Shelley was VERY MUCH an "elections issue".
Shelley decertified Diebolds in the face of a lot less evidence of real and potential fraud than we have now.
Yet the current *rethug* SoS -- the one that was forced on us after they got rid of Shelley -- just re-certified that crap.

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:43 PM
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10. OK. She didn't respond to the Shelley Election Issue, but put up a bill.
Go figure. :shrug: Did Bowen rise to Shelley's defense?

You said...

"Shelley decertified Diebolds in the face of a lot less evidence of real and potential fraud than we have now."

That's not exactly right. He caught them using software that they claimed had been certified, but wasn't. That's fraud. I wish we had them like that now. We don't. Unless we get over Shelley and try to make hay with interpreted code, we won't. (Hint Nick: Bowen will need the ammo if you expect her to re-de-certify Diebold when she takes office.)

You also state:

"Yet the current *rethug* SoS -- the one that was forced on us after they got rid of Shelley -- just re-certified that crap."

Well, we do need to qualify "that crap", Nick. (Details, details. :eyes: ) As mentioned above, the crap decertified by Shelley was uncertified software. Now, the software is certified, so McPherson enjoys no such luxury as Shelley.


If you want to fight this, you may consider the matter at hand.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 12:34 AM
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11. Of course there is more evidence now than there was in the past.
Past = evidence "x"
Present = evidence from the past ("x") plus what has been revealed subsequently.

I don't "wish we had them like that now". The "now" DREs will have to have a paper trail, the previous ones didn't.

Shelley is an important topic, as is interpreted code. Shelley was taken down so that these f'ing machines could be forced on us.

There was certified software in existence when Shelley was SoS. What was discovered, during the audit in 2004, was that NOT EVEN ONE example of a tested Diebold had the certified software on it.

Shelley decertified a number of Diebold DREs, but not all of them. But he did leave us with a paper trail requirement.

The software, with its interpreted code should not be certified. If McPherson does certify it, he will be violating more laws.
TSx machines with crashing and jamming printers shouldn't have been certified either.

:eyes: yourself.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:09 AM
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16. Actually, this is where VVPAT is at, now.

snip

"The other thing that no one has mentioned is the fact that the Diebold machines don’t comply with the state’s paper trail law because they don’t provide blind or visually impaired voters with a ‘read-back’ of what the paper trail recorded, they only read back what the machine recorded electronically," noted Bowen.

snip

http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=947&Itemid=113


Now when you say...

"If McPherson does certify it, he will be violating more laws."

I'd LOVE it if that could be done, but it's that the ITA certified it that's the issue. Again, that's the difference between now and when Shelley bumped them.

It SHOULD be argued that the ITA shouldn't have allowed it, that THEY should decertify it.

But in the meantime, Bowen's saying the VVPAT is non-compliant. I wonder if that's leverage of the Touch Screens.

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 12:52 AM
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13. I think many people didn't rise to Shelley's defense because they
simply didn't know what was true of the suggestions that were being tossed around about him. The press was like pirranas going in for the kill.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:02 AM
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14. I'm kindof over it. Or wish I could be, because I don't know what was true

For all I know some Dem with eyes on the Guv mansion didn't want Shelley on the scene.

I don't see where election reform really benefits from rehashing that episode without the benefit of any solid evidence showing that he was rolled and by whom, or with any defense from Shelley himself.

I'd argue exit polls are PROOF before thinking the Shelley story, as it stands now, will secure our election system.

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:47 AM
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21. How exactly can Shelley defend himself, other than to say "it wasn't
true what they said about me." He tried that, and they just kept escalating the attacks. There were NO charges, only "suggestions." Never anything formal. The state audit of him showed virtuallly nothing.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:25 AM
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27. Hey A, we did this before.

Now why do you want to say "virtually nothing" and "there were NO charges, only "suggestions"", to me when your well aware of the state report? :cry:

So do you want to rant-on about the charges that were dismissed or wrestle with the ones that weren't?

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:29 PM
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33. What charges? Can you name any specific charges? YOu know that
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 11:24 PM by Amaryllis
Lockyear cleared him on the Julie Lee case.

And did you read Einsteinia's piece that Nick reposted in post number 30 where she goes through the points raised in the audit one by one, none of which were ever formal charges? He was never formally charged with anything.

And it's about them taking down someone who stood up for us and for our right to vote and have our vote counted, all so they could further their agenda. They ruined Shelley's career and reputation and I for one am going to keep confronting the further perpetuation of that smear. It does further the cause if it eventually becomes known that he was innocent of wrongdoing and Bowen blows the lid off all the corruption. McCormack called him "irresponsible" for decertifying the TSX.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 01:45 AM
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34. You know I know about what Lockyer said.
And I'm basing that on our mutual participation on the threads that ran back when Einsteinia did her analysis.

So you also know that some of the state audit items have not been disputed. Not even by Shelley. But you tend to not cite that, often (though you obliged me with a link to it). That's cherry-picking, and why I tried to hint, previously, that I felt I a bit disappointed discussing that way. A lot of times your replies don't respond to specific points I'm asking you to consider.

I guess a problem is that I'm more interested in what REALLY happened than I am in advocating for Shelley.

A poster opined that indeed, something probably happened if only outside of Shelley's direct knowledge, AND somebody wanted to hurt him with it, leaving him little recourse but to resign...as a sort of protocol. Do you get that, even if you disagree?

Meanwhile, without considering any possibility beyond Diebold's involvement, and seeing no evidence (though the argument IS extremely plausible to me) I'm supposed to buy into the idea that, a. it was indeed Diebold (or whoever else has been accused on a given thread-you just referred to "they"), and b. somehow we can bring this story to light and it will have a significant impact on election reform. Nothing against Shelley, but I don't. Do you get that, even if you disagree?

But, if you dig up PROOF of who went out of their way to hit Shelley (I mean proof for the masses, not just for you, or me, and not just, "McCormack called him "irresponsible" for decertifying the TSX." ) and/or if Shelley makes a statement, I'd re-evaluate my notion.

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 01:14 PM
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35. You keep referring to charges, and I keep saying "What charges?
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 01:22 PM by Amaryllis
there have been no formal charges." There were findings in the state audit, which Einsteinia went thru item by item, but there have never been any formal charges against him. A lot of those findings in the state audit have "yes, but" qualifiers, which again, Einsteinia addressed in her post. She followed very closely all that was happening with Shelley as it happened, and talked to the state auditors, and went to the hearing about him.
She knows far more than I do.

And again, I asked you just exactly how he is supposed to defend himself?
Go through point by point and say, "This is what really happened?" What kind of statement would you want to see from him? How can he defend himself and have any credibility? I don't think that the fact that he has not come forward to defend himself can in any way be construed as evidence of wrongdoing. Who knows all that may have happened behind the scenes, and why he may be reluctant to speak out? YOu know how entrenched Conny McCormack is with Diebold. You know how the right wing slime machine works.

And, Nick has given details about reasons why he would have resigned. How long can one person go on with mounting legal fees and personal attacks?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:21 AM
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36. Actually you who introduced the word on this thread
And used it numerous times, versus my use of the term in reply #27 responding to you.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=413110&mesg_id=413387

I've made an effort to refer to the allegations as against his office, as opposed to Shelley himself, which is how I see it. Sometimes I fail.


But I made this statement in that reply.

"So do you want to rant-on about the charges that were dismissed or wrestle with the ones that weren't?"


Here's one.


The Office Could Not Support the Personal Service Costs It Charged to HAVA

To support the amount of salaries and wages charged to a federal fund source, federal cost principles require certifications be prepared at least semiannually for all those employees who work full-time on a single federal award. Federal cost principles also require that the allocation of all salaries or wages for employees who work less than full-time on a single federal award be supported by monthly personnel activity reports or equivalent documentation, such as monthly time sheets.The office neither prepared the required certifications for its employees who worked full-time on HAVA activities nor instructed its employees who worked part-time on HAVA activities to complete monthly time sheets or other personnel activity reports to support the $1,025,695 in personal service costs charged to HAVA funds in fiscal year 2003–04.

http://www.bsa.ca.gov/pdfs/presentations/2004-139.pdf


Here's what Einsteinia had to say in her advocacy, er. deconstruction piece.


Auditors said about $3 million in spending lacked documentation, such as paying salaries for people who didn't submit time sheets, or was improperly awarded to consultants through no-bid contracts.

Paperwork problem: Shelley has admitted that he was overwhelmed with the barrage of new HAVA requirements and tried to delegate it to others, which obviously backfired.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=406202&mesg_id=406313



"Obviously backfired" doesn't leave me in a place where I feel I can go out to the world, on the notion that it would lead to election reform, and beg their consideration of a Shelley take-down, however likely. Can you please reply to me and let me know that you understand what I'm saying, even if you disagree, and even if you hate me for it. :cry:

Here's another argument Einsteinia put forth in her "deconstruction" piece. The audit found $3.8 million out of $180 million was spent improperly or without required documentation. She pointed out a headline that read "Audit finds $3.8 million in election funds improperly spent"


First, to gain some perspective: $3.8 million out of $180 million is 2 percent. Second, notice the “OR” clause above. Let’s just say all but $2,000 in question fell into the required better paperwork category, and you’ll get why this is a very misleading newsflash.


"Let's just say"? I have no idea where the $2000 figure comes from. Do you? $3.8 million is a lot of money to not have paperwork for, even if it was otherwise properly spent.

How am I supposed to convince someone that this sorry chapter is a reason to take election reform seriously?

To address your questions, Shelley could make a statement and say, ""this is what really happened..."", though I don't assume that it indicates guilt of "wrong-doing" if he doesn't. He, the report, McPherson, and Einsteinia all say the office was overwhelmed, and if Einsteinia got it right, his effort to deal with it "backfired". And if another poster is correct many people resign when that sort of thing happens. Which is what Shelley did. In that case, you don't get a lawyer to go through all the paper work to show the same damn thing.

Meanwhile, WHY is there little treatment of State Sen. Dave Cox? He's the one that instigated the audit. WTF is his story? THEN we'd have something. Is it easier to memorialize Shelley in a neat little package rather than digging up links that help the "he was Diebolded" theory? And that would be great.

And who were the knuckle-heads that screwed up SoS books? Are they former Cox campaign employees that now work for Diebold. No one's investigating if they're busy esposing theories. You linked an article where the author had the idocy to say no Democrat coming to Shelley's defense was proof he was taken down. Uh. OK.

Of course, reformist are challenging McPherson on the merits of our case against certification. But, what I fear, is that by, in essence, smearing McPherson with this Shelley/Diebold/Arnie/Ahmanson MEME, it leaves the reform movement easily marginalized and dismissed by him, and Republicans, and may complicate life for Democrats who need their support in fighting this. It plays into Diebold's hand. Can you please reply to me and let me know that you understand what I'm saying here, too, even if you disagree, and even if you hate me for it. :cry:

I posted an interesting Jody Holder analysis of the CONDITIONAL Certification of Diebold and wanted to learn more about him. So I googled his name along with McPherson's.

Lookie here. A Freeper concerned about election reformists being denied records by the CA SoS. The person posted an article mentioning Holder!

But then look what happened.

Essentially, they were planning to turn the meeting into another one of their staged protests, and they're upset because they can't force anyone else to listen to it.

The current occupant of the office is a Republican. The prior occupant was a Democrat who resigned his position following an investigation of the office's use of Federal voter registration funds to pay for partisan activities.

Need I say more?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1525924/posts


Need I really say more?

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. The message I got about the unwillingness of the Dem Legislature to stand
up against the opposition, was that they were being intimidated by Ahhnold and were afraid of reprisals from the right-wing media.
That's why they let this McPherson excrement slide into the SoS office.

Even though Shelley resigned, the Legislature could have rejected all of Ahhnold's nominees and instead kept the Undersecretary of State, Cathy Mitchell, in that office.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:21 AM
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17. So what's with these Dems? They didn't lift a finger.

Probably because Shelley didn't.

An analysis posted here a while back suggested that someone, indeed wanted to go after Shelley, and dug up dirt on his office. Once they had the dirt, the only "honorable thing" for the "CEO" to do was resign.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:36 AM
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18. Shelley fought hard at the time, but he was out-matched.
He was being attacked on both the state and federal levels. He was being smeared by the right-wing media. He mortgaged his home to fight the legal battle. His mother fell gravely ill, was hospitalized and passed away -- even before Shelley's resignation took effect.

The guy was HUMAN, for godsake. I'd like to see how much of a fight you'd put up under those circumstances.


What "dirt" was dug up about Shelley? I've yet to hear any.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:41 AM
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19. Not to mention the mounting legal fees he was facing. They were up
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 01:43 AM by Amaryllis
into the hundreds of thousands by the time he resigned. Every time he tried to defend himself, they escalated the attacks.

The state audit showed virtually nothing in terms of any wrongdoing, and CA A.G. Lockyear stated Shelley "was innocent of any wrongdoing" on the Julie Lee case. There were never any charges filed against him on ANYTHING, only "suggestions," which are very difficult to fight.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #19
23. Exactly.
He was taken down over nothing. It was all done in order to install this POS McPherson and to get vote-stealing machines in place.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:44 AM
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20. It's like I said above.

The only certifiable "dirt" they have is on his office, not him (shit, for all we know a plant). And a poster said, that it's often the case where the top guy folds when that happens. The poster also commented that people probably went out of their way to hurt him. But who?

I can imagine people other than Diebold wanting him out of the way because he was probably a good Gov prospect.

So that alone...

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:52 AM
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22. I read he was considered a good gov prospect and a good senate prospect.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:06 AM
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24. What dirt?
:shrug:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:13 AM
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25. Do you need the link to the state audit? Or the HAVA audit?

The only one to come to his defense was McPherson saying half the charges were BS.

Shelley's spokesperson said the office was overwhelmed. So what about the rest of it?

More to the point...accepting your view the matter on it's face, what milage can we get out of it relative to securing the election system?

Come on, Nick. We've been around this.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:36 AM
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28. WHAT DIRT?
All I saw were issues over paperwork not being filed properly and a phony charge over Shelley's photo on a pamphlet about voting rights.

What else?

Yeah, we have been over this again and again. You seem to find it pretty easy to take swipes at Shelley AND to praise McPherson.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:43 AM
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29. I'm neither swiping nor praising.

I already said the charges were leveled at his office, not him. I'd rather get to the bottom of it.

No, I haven't made extensive review. I relied on McPherson dismissing half of it, Shelley's spokeperson saying they were "overwhelmed", and that poster who gave thoughts on what transpired.

Let's say the whole thing is made up, just like you say. How do we use that to stop electronic vote counting?

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:18 AM
Response to Reply #18
26. "dirt"
You've "yet to hear any"?

The least you can say that you don't agree with any of the state audit, but to say you haven't been aware of the charges seems a waste of our time.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:54 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. Bullshit. This analysis by Einsteinia deserves to be posted again.
Original post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=406202&mesg_id=406313

(Re: the right-wing media story on the audit, at the link below.)

Deconstruction of a Propaganda Piece

Why must we wait for another 60 days until we know thumbs up or down on the EAC findings? Why is this reported now? Is this a politically motivated scheme to send a chill to uppity Secretaries of States across the nation who dare not comply with the HAVA deadlines or decertify partisan voting equipment? Paranoid? Look at the current political situation and ask yourself whether due diligence under these circumstances should include looking behind doors. So, let's look at the timing, and ask: Why now? Right now when Secretaries of States are at a critical decision-making juncture with the Diebold equipment proving easily corruptible and HAVA deadlines looming. Why did they wait this long for their decision and announce it now, with the fine print reading that they'll let us know the true thumbs-up or down on Shelley in 60 days. 60 days will be a date AFTER the HAVA deadlines. They've had all this time and have already conducted their investigations, but they can't tell us anything except to send innuendo that things for our former Secretary of State look baaaaaaad!

Please read the whole article at: http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/13458667.htm

Deconstruction of Audit finds $3.8 million in election funds improperly spent

JENNIFER COLEMAN

Associated Press

SACRAMENTO -More than $3.8 million in federal election money was spent improperly or without required documentation by former Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, federal auditors said in a report released Wednesday.

First, to gain some perspective: $3.8 million out of $180 million is 2 percent. Second, notice the “OR” clause above. Let’s just say all but $2,000 in question fell into the required better paperwork category, and you’ll get why this is a very misleading newsflash. I refer to it as a newsflash, because lacks any news of substance. It is primarily a rehash of old news and merely invokes a dark prediction about what may come -- it suggests a new audit hearing was held but bases its findings largely on the previous CA hearing, and then offers no verdict.

The audit, commissioned by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission,

The “EAC,” which is the arm of the “Help America Vendor’s Act” which is charged with coming up with protocols and guidelines. The EAC has itself been tardy or non-compliant with the majority of its edicts. It is a council of four political appointees: 2 are republican and 2 are DINOS. Earlier this year, the Chair resigned in disgust because it had no funding. See: http://www.whoscounting.net/EAC.htm

confirms an earlier state audit of Shelley's handling of money given to California under the Help America Vote Act. It examined spending through 2004.

The foundation of this newsflash is the findings of an earlier audit, which at most showed a minor appearance of impropriety, as confirmed by the auditor’s office upon my telephone call inquiry to follow up with questions I had after having attended the audit hearing and after carefully reading through the audit report.

Auditors said about $3 million in spending lacked documentation, such as paying salaries for people who didn't submit time sheets, or was improperly awarded to consultants through no-bid contracts.

Paperwork problem: Shelley has admitted that he was overwhelmed with the barrage of new HAVA requirements and tried to delegate it to others, which obviously backfired.

The audit, conducted by the Department of the Interior's inspector general, another US government entity purged of “dissenters” also found another $777,502 was improperly spent on salaries, promotional memorabilia and other items that were unrelated to the Help America Vote Act.

Hmmmm, voter education pamphlets informing voters that if they lacked confidence in their paperless voting systems that they could request a paper ballot or provisional ballot, which had a picture of Shelley on the back. Why don’t do something productive like investigate our President for hiring political shills?

Congress passed the act in 2002 after the problems with voting machines and access to polling places that surfaced during the 2000 presidential election.

But who wrote HAVA? 3 out of 4 are heavily implicated in the Abramoff scandal.

California has received about $180 million in federal money to upgrade voting equipment and procedures. Federal authorities froze another $170 million after questions arose about Shelley's spending, money that was released in June after Shelley had been replaced.

Yes, please note that above: It was the Feds who froze the money and caused the CA election officials a colossal headache--NOT Shelley. To date, our CA electon officials love to blame their problems on that darn Shelley. However, Shelley, too, had delayed money from being funneled directly into the gullets of partisan vendors when he finally realized that the activists were right--the machines were funky. Now, ironically, it is the CA election officials themselves who are begging Congress from the HAVA deadlines, because there are not yet any good options to purchase.

Shelley, a Democrat, denied wrongdoing but resigned in February after he was accused of mishandling the money, bending state hiring rules to reward political allies and accepting questionable campaign contributions.

Obviously Shelley was a fighter. But if you were in his shoes, could you continue the uphill battle with five government entities investigating you with no legal or financial assistance from the State? Be honest. Would you at some point feel despondent when your fellow democrats turn their backs on you --even when they were justified for fear they might get in the cross-hairs? Then, consider the personal toll on your family. Shelley resigned the day after his mother died. She had been quite healthy before this scandal, but succumbed to pneumonia in the midst of these stressful days. Here, Shelley, who had stood up on behalf of Californians against Diebold and boldly decertified much of their equipment, he who was the first Secty. of State with DRE equipment to mandate a paper trail, he who came up with 25 innovative safeguards until the paper trails could go into effect, and he who wanted to use some of the HAVA funds for poll worker college and voter education received no support, and in a bizarre moebius strip of logic, this is the No. 2 reason why people I speak to think he’s gulity: “If he weren’t gulity, people would have stood up for him.” And so what then, you might ask, is the No. 1 reason why people think he’s guility: Because if he weren’t, the papers would have written about it? Hmmmm, do you mean the same papers that have refused to cover the election integrity scandal from the very beginning? The same media that refused to even mention the GAO heavy indictment against electronic voting systems? Getting back to this point about the audit hearing, if you actually went to the Audit Hearing or read the audit report, you’d know that his big crime was NOT spending money on funky voting equipment. With that the feds froze his funds and caused a lot of grief for election officials who still have to meet the HAVA deadlines with their “use it or lose it” clause, as well as the fact that the DOJ promised a visit for the non-compliant

His successor, Republican Bruce McPherson, agreed with some of the audit's findings, but disputed the auditor's claim that about $2 million in no-bid consulting contracts were inappropriate.

McPherson obviously has some integrity.

Those contracts were cleared for no-bid awards by the state Department of General Services because of a tight deadline to bring California into compliance with the federal law, McPherson said in his response to the audit.

In addition, the office was facing unprecedented pressure from the combination of three elections - the first-ever recall election for a California governor in 2003, followed in 2004 by a presidential primary and a presidential general election, McPherson said.

The federal audit confirms the findings of the California Bureau of State Audits. A state audit in December 2004 found that federal money intended for voter outreach was used by Shelley to pay for consultants who attended partisan Democratic events and promoted Shelley's political achievements.

After an audit for an entire year there were six events, which came under scrutiny. These events were on the timeslips of outside consultants who sought to comply with the outreach component of HAVA. Two were for roundtables that were primarily attended by republicans and the others were for exclusively democrat events. The sum total of this was under $2,000 (and probably under $1,000).

That audit said Shelley poorly managed the money and failed to properly oversee his staff and consultants. It suggested 17 changes in how the secretary of state's office implements the Help America Vote Act.

This, too, is an over broad generalization that boils down to sloppy office management. On page 5 of the Audit report these are listed as the “Highlights” of all the errors. Please read the long, long list of six items and think about our republican party. If you're like me, you'll wonder, "Where's the meat?"

Office of the
Secretary of State
Help America Vote Act of 2002

Presentation by

Elaine M. Howle
California State Auditor

January 10, 2005

Audit Highlights -page 5

1 The Office of the Secretary of State’s (office) insufficient planning and poor management practices hampered its efforts to implement the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) provisions promptly.

2 The office’s disregard for proper controls and its poor oversight of staff and consultants led to questionable uses of HAVA funds.

3 The office avoided competitive bidding for many HAVA purchases paid with HAVA funds by improperly using a Department of General Services exemption from competitive bidding and by not following the State’s procurement policies.

4 The office bypassed the Legislature's spending approval authority when it executed consultant contracts and then charged the associated costs to its HAVA administration accounts.

5 The office failed to disburse HAVA funds to counties for the replacement of outdated voting machines within the time frames outlined in its grant application package and county agreements.

6 The State’s chief elections office lacks a policy that strictly prohibits partisan activities.


McPherson told auditors his office has complied with most of those recommendations and is working to implement the rest.

A spokesman for Shelley said many of the changes recommended by the state auditor were started by Shelley.

"As the current administration points out, the office of Secretary of State Kevin Shelley was overburdened by a cyclone of unprecedented and historic forces," said Shelley's spokesman, Sam Singer. "This audit is reflective of the difficult circumstances the Shelley administration faced."

Too bad most people won’t have read down this far nor will they have any context to understand it.
State Sen. Dave Cox, who requested the state audit, said the federal report released Wednesday indicates that Shelley tried to politicize his office.

Let me guess, Sen. Dave Cox is partisan--from the opposing party?

"Todays audit by the EAC shows that while he was secretary of state, Mr. Shelley and his operatives ignored clear policies in order to hire political operatives," Cox, R-Fair Oaks, said in a statement. "They improperly used taxpayer dollars for questionable and improper purchases of self-promotional items and other materials."

Look who is telling us this--this political entity, which even the very conservative Doug Chapin of Electionline.org said was “ad hoc tribunal without real legal authority" to perform and trial of Shelley, Could they be just a bit more specific today as to what they deemed self-promotional items. Could it again be a picture of the Secretary of State on a voter education pamphlet? Is this partisan appointed committee trying to lecture democrats on political propaganda at the taxpayer’s expense?

The Election Assistance Commission will review the federal audit and issue a final report to the state within 60 days, commission spokeswoman Jeannie Layson said. She said it is premature to speculate about possible remedies or penalties.

Why the delay? Could it be because there are no findings, but it’s politically expedient to send this newsflash today to put a chill on any other uppity Secretaries of States who might be thinking of delaying their compliance with the end of the year HAVA deadlines. Or even more politically opportune to scare Secretaries of States who might be emboldened by the recent Diebold hack tests to try to spend their HAVA Jonas for anything other than their funky election equipment?

In the campaign finance probe surrounding Shelley, San Francisco real estate agent Julie Lee is facing eight felony charges that she laundered a state grant for a community center into Shelley's 2002 campaign. Lee has pleaded not guilty.

Very important in a propaganda piece to invoke unrelated stories to cast a suspicious pall over this man’s credibility. Never mind that Attorney General Lockyer exonerated Shelley from any wrongdoing in this case. And for heaven’s sakes, do NOT mention the fact that Shelley was the first in the Secretary of State with paperless voting equipment to mandate paper trails. Do not mention that he boldly decertified Diebold. To mention those facts might not seem “fair and balanced.”

Singer said Shelley remains "quite active in both business and politics" and has not been questioned in the Lee case.

Good limp statement to conclude with--IF you’ve decided you want to perpetuate the deliberate misinformation about Kevin Shelley. And in my opinion this propaganda tactic is the only scandal of described in this article.


What little integrity McPherson showed at that time has certainly vanished.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 05:04 AM
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31. OK

So how do we use this to secure the election management system?

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:40 PM
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6. We ALL tried to educate our senators during the Alito
debacle. For me, in TX, it's a losing proposition. I know that's a defeatist attitude, but Cornyn and KBH? After all the times I've contacted Cornyn's office, the only solid response I ever got was a request for money.
I sign petitions against Tom DeLay, now I'm getting his propaganda via mail and e-mail.
And I get the standard form letters from KBH, addressing none of my concerns but spouting the party
line.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 12:49 AM
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12. I was talking about educating them specificallly about election issues..
Have you done that since the lead up to the certification of the electoral votes on Jan. 6, 2005? We havent and I havent heard anyone else talk about it, so I was curious if it was happening.

Most of our work is at the state level, but it seems that it there is any way to get them to see what is happening before the 2006 elections, we should do it. They need to get it that their future in the senate depends on it, and just how crucial this fight is.

Is it just wishful thinking to hope that maybe enough of them could really "get it" that they would start to speak out about it? Kerry is saying proprietary software is unacceptable...I have this fantasy, which will probably never happen,that a group of them could get together and call a press conference and speak out about it...oh well, I can dream.

What if we all made the kind of concerted effort we did with the lead up to Jan. 6 and to the ALito confirmation,only to educate them about election issues? I know it woudl be harder becasue a lot of progressives arent even on board with this yet, whereas they were with Alito, but a lot of them weren't on board with the Jan. 6 thing either and yet we got 12 of them to stand up and say something about Ohio and the problems with teh election, even tho Boxer was the only one with the cajones to vote against certification of the election.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:44 PM
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7. Yep. Got form letters back. n/t
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:49 PM
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8. My Senators are un-educable. Maybe they are trainable but not educable.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 08:37 PM
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32. Mine aren't even trainable (VA). But we keep writing them anyway. nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:45 AM
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37. HAVA was concocted by Tom Delay and Bob Ney, for chrissakes--in the
cauldron of Bush junta corruption involving BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars pouring into the pockets of Bush Cartel buds in every conceivable form, for every conceivable nefarious purpose, from the billions gone 'missing' in Iraq, to the billions poured into rightwing 'Christian' causes, to the billions changing hands to purchase legislation, to the billions upon billions in tax breaks for the rich and deregulation. Corruption beyond belief. Corruption on a scale never before seen in the world.

The charges against Shelley were just laughable, by comparison--besides being bogus and a smear.

HAVA was INTENDED to wreak havoc with our election system, just as the appointment of Harold Brown was intended to wreak havoc with FEMA. This junta is a wrecking crew--everywhere you look. It has destroyed the US military. It has destroyed the intelligence agencies. It has destroyed our economy. It has destroyed our medical system (or inflicted the final coup de graces). It has stripped the country of National Guard for emergencies. It has destroyed everything that holds our lives and our communities together--police, fire protection, hospitals, defunded; jobs outsourced; labor protections, environmental protections, bankruptcy protections, gone, fini, kaput. It has destroyed our school system with onerous and unnecessary testing, and ideological assaults on science programs. It has destroyed our most cherished values--including freedom from state imposed religion. It has destroyed the "balance of powers." It has destroyed the Constitution. It has smeared, sullied, Swiftboated, gagged and/or sought to destroy one good person after another--Bill Clinton, Max Cleland, Joseph Wilson, Valerie Plame, Sibel Edmonds, Scott Ritter, John O'Neill, Richard Clarke, Gray Davis, Howard Dean, John Kerry, Hugo Chavez. It has purged the federal government of every independent voice--anybody with any spine has had their careers destroyed and their hopes and dreams shattered--from the military lawyers who defended the Geneva Conventions and the UCMJ against Bush torture, to people like the Islamic chaplain of Guantanamo Bay (Capt. Yee) who was falsely charged and smeared with treason, to the professionals and seconds-in-command in every agency who knew how to do their jobs competently--and they have filled the government with toadies and yes-men and INCOMPETENTS...DELIBERATELY, to DESTROY everything we hold dear, everything that makes us a good people. They have sold us down the river. And now they're even selling our port facilities to the United Arab Emirates sheikdom.

I mean, WHAT MORE EVIDENCE DO YOU NEED, Wilms, that HAVA was SET UP to destroy good public servants like Kevin Shelley? --and that HAVA was INTENDED to utterly corrupt and bomb our election system so that it will never recover, so that we will never have an honest election again in this country?

This stupid discussion, picking over of the shotgunned entrails of one of the LAST honest election officials in the country, makes me sick. If you don't understand it, Wilms, then shut up about it. You having nothing to say about it that is useful.

They TOOK SHELLEY DOWN. It could not be more plain. And the take-down had to, and did include, corruption and fear among Democrats and county election officials, and use of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies to spread rumors and innuendo.

I despair of your naivete, Wilms. You often respond to things as if these were normal times, as if what is happening in this country is "politics as usual." The President of the United States recently stated that he has committed numerous felony violations of the law and INTENDS TO CONTINUE DOING SO. And nothing is being done to impeach him.

Think about that.

Think about it in terms of Shelley putting his picture on the back of a voter education pamphlet--and not filling out his paper work properly, to satisfy the "rules" of the Bush junta.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:04 PM
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38. You're a linkless wonder. But thanks for a break from Ahmanson's.
And, again, you use cherry-picked facts, ignore ones that don't fit your frame, and wrap it in a diatribe that obfuscates the obvious.

Shelley has offered next to nothing, other than a resignation. If he said more, put up a link. If he's unresigning, let me know. If he's challenging Bowen in the primary, tell him not to bother.

If you have a shred of "EVIDENCE...that HAVA was SET UP to destroy good public servants like Kevin Shelley", do share.

The fact that the country has been taken over by a crime syndicate does not in anyway disallow a discussion of FACTS.

The fact that the country has been taken over by a crime syndicate does not wash Shelley's hand of responsibility for his office.

The fact that the crime syndicate that has taken over country washes it's hand of responsibility for their murderous deeds does not in anyway disallow a discussion of FACTS regarding Shelley. You suggest, above, that they do.


And if you wish to call me out in a post, it would be courteous of you to do it in a reply to one of my posts. And while I realize the distaste some might have for the process, I'd also ask for a response to specific items I laid out. It's called discussion.

Thank you.

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