Can BBV be trusted?

[proud2BlibKansan]

Our local DFA group is looking into election reform. The city is putting in Diebold machines. So on our DFA topic forum, some of the members are now posting links to BBV and Bev Harris. Can we trust her? Should I say something or let them do their own research?

[Boredtodeath]

1. If you want your pockets picked while you watch, sure

Nothing more than fundraising for the Bev Harris cotillion.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. That was my first thought as well

[kster]

39. Then why did you have to

make this thread if your first thought was that bev would pick your pockets.

[Boredtodeath]

42. To warn others

Always and forever.

[kster]

43. I got you fisrt 900 warnings you have secured me thank you..nt

[Boredtodeath]

44. Not a problem - just meant for newbies

You can move along now.

[kster]

48. You practicing to be a traffic cop?..nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. I honestly didn't know if she was still working with BBV

That's why I started this thread.

[Boredtodeath]

2. The Bev Harris Story for newbies and those who have forgotten

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. Thank you muchly!

That helps a lot.

[Name removed]

36. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MelissaB]

38. I'd worry about anybody who read through that thread and didn't at least

question her motives. I've been here long enough to remember some of her posts. They were eye opening to say the least.

[Boredtodeath]

41. Bev = money motive

No matter what it is or when you see it, if it involves Bev Harris, there's money involved.

Funds are running thin and she's competing for a grant against 2 other evoting organizations.

She never has and never will have another motive.

[evlbstrd]

3. By all means, say something.

Do you remember when we told some of them about Andy? They had no idea.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. So should I post a link to the Bev Harris story here?

I don't know the DFA people as well as you do. Should I send Christi an email? Or should I put this stuff on the board for all to see?

You got my back, right?

Where is Patrice on Bev Harris?

[evlbstrd]

11. Post it on the board, as general information.

An email to an individual might be misinterpreted. Adding the other links people here have provided might help, too. I've got your back. The first word in Democracy for America is Democracy, after all. I don't know what Patrice knows about Bev.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Ok done

She already replied:
http://groups.google.com/group/GKCDFA/browse_frm/thread/ea222ccc013bc739/d690ce5f50cd567a#d690ce5f50cd567a

"Bev Harris does have
detractors, unfortunately, and some of her tactics may
raise eyebrows, but she and her crew at
blackboxvoting.org do excellent work. They're also a
valuable source of information. "

May be a lost cause. Damn. I'll leave DFA over this.

[evlbstrd]

13. Don't give up.

You and I had a similar conversation about DFA before. They could use a bit of a left turn.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Does Christi know about Andy?

How can anyone trust Bev Harris after hearing about Andy?

I say we put Patrice on this one. I emailed her and if she doesn't get back to me today, I will call her.

The DFAers know Patrice and hopefully they trust her. They don't know me too well yet (and they probably think I am a looney leftist anyway LOL).

[evlbstrd]

15. I'm not sure what she knows about Andy.

Patrice might be able to sway some people. I only know a few of them kinda well.

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. She didn't have time to read the DU link I posted

I wonder if she ever will?

Let's talk to Joe at the next meeting.

[evlbstrd]

20. Yes. Let's.

[GregD]

4. www.votersunite.org

Whatever you do, I suggest you refer them to www.votersunite.org as a reliable information source.

[Boredtodeath]

8. or VoteTrustUSA.org

Always more trustworthy and accurate than Bev Harris

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. Thank you

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. Thanks I posted that link

Looks great.

[sadjonny]

66. Cont.: The War On Elections - I tried BOTH and BBV

I ain't saying they ain't helping.

But I have some issues.

1.) Missing Forums / Posts
The VotersUnite forum has been removed for now.
We invite you to post on the VoteTrustUSA message board,
currently more actively engaged by concerned citizens.

2.) I posted on that board asking for help YEARS AGO and got ZERO HELP.

3.) To be fair, I also tried to sign up [e-mail] (Their website was under attack at the time?) but got no response.

4.) I finally have connected up with Bev after talking on "ENID LIVE" (1320Khz AM)

The bottom line is it don't matter what you are. IF you believe in a Constitutional Republic.

The next time you vote

YOU MUST

1. remove ALL the electricity
2. stop digitizing data
3. stop sending digitized data across networks.

ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS ARE BECAUSE OF THIS!!!

[EFerrari]

17. You better lock up your wallets before you let her in the room. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. Amen to that

I almost PMed you. I was afraid to post this; didn't know what kind of reaction it would get.

Seeing the Bev links on the DFA site is really disappointing. Several of us DUers just started getting involved with our local DFA group. It seemed promising until I saw this on their website today about Bev.

[kster]

18. Does Bev have a breaking story coming out?....nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. I don't know

[Stevepol]

19. Her information is invaluable. She's one of the first to really crusade

for fair voting and against these mafias that have literally destroyed American democracy. Even now she's doing great work to restore American democracy.

She's got a streak of paranoia, which is partly excusable given what she's trying to do. Whatever she's done individually to other individuals is her own karma.

Make use of the good that anybody has to offer and if you can, ignore the rest.

Good luck.

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. Read this please

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x413697#413719

[Kelvin Mace]

51. Ah, no

The first crusaders against this would be people like Ronnie Duggan, who reported on the issue back in the late 80's.

Bev had the good fortune to stumble upon the work of other folks and exploit it at just the right time. Her paranoia is NOT excusable, nor is her attacks on other activists and computer scientists (at various times she has denounced Dough Jones, Avi Rubin and Rebecca Mercuri), nor is her smear campaign against people who dare disagree with her.

You will always find someone willing to excuse Bev's crimes on the basis of "all the good she did".

These people get goddamned angry that folks like myself won't "take one for the team". We are supposed to sit quietly by while a woman who made our lives miserable and who continue to smear our good name, collects more victims to fleece, then smear when they complain about being fleeced.

This is, of course, an "ends justify the means" argument, which in my view is right out of the Right-wing playbook.

[Boredtodeath]

58. It's deleted now, but you should have seen it

Bev was on this very thread repeating her lies about a dead man.

Such a "christian" woman who just can't let a man rest in peace.........it was stunning.

[garybeck]

21. Yes, BBV research is invaluable and unparalleled.

Without BBV, our movement would be months behind. The Hursti Hack, which was initiated by BBV, PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that BBV is legit, and their motives are unquestionable. The Hursti Hack alone is responsible for entire states decertifying Diebold machines.

if you ignore BBV research you are doing yourself a big disfavor. BBV research is invaluable.

those who have been criticising BBV are grasping at straws. now that BBV research has shown immeasurable results, there is little left for the critics to say.

[EFerrari]

24. Bullshit. That grifter uses the work of others, claims it as her own

and pockets the credit and the dough.

Some of the "immeasurable results" she has acheived are already listed up thread.

And in case you've forgotten, she cost Andy MONTHS of medical care.

So, no. She is not to be trusted.

[garybeck]

29. And I suppose the Hursti Hack was really organized by someone else?

the Hursti Hack has had a greater affect on our movement than probably any one single event.

[Boredtodeath]

31. I suppose it WAS.

and one day you'll learn the truth.

[garybeck]

32. just like you told me

that by putting some of Bev's content on the free CD-ROM I produced that one day she would turn on me and threaten to sue me and do all kinds of nasty things to me. in fact, nothing could be further from the truth.

[Boredtodeath]

33. Just wait your turn

It'll come.

She's fundraising again, you'll get your turn soon. No. Doubt.

[garybeck]

34. yeah, right.

just like when Dave promised to sell me books at wholesale and then stopped returning my calls. all hot air.

[Boredtodeath]

35. Yeah, well we'll see

This is all too familiar. She's a user.

Right now she's competing with 2 other organizations for a grant. She needs to show that she can create a groundswell of worker bees to do her bidding to win the grant.

It doesn't matter to HER if you win the war - just that you ask how high when she says jump.

[Kelvin Mace]

55. Dude, can't sell you what I don't have

Or have you forgotten that Bev pretty much killed that deal? I didn't stop returning your calls, I can only assume communication broke down somewhere, which I will certainly take as my fault. But I didn't decide to stop taking your calls.

[garybeck]

79. baloney

If you didn't have any books to sell, why did you lie to me and tell me you did? You absolutely told me you had books to sell, and we agreed on the phone about the purchase price. then when I was ready to send you the money, I left many messages on your phone and countless emails, and you never returned any of them.

[Kelvin Mace]

85. I did

then I got more grief from Bev and dumped the lot at cost.

I did not lie to you and resent the accusation.

Again, Bev has plenty of the books so you can get them from her.

[Kelvin Mace]

54. She eventually screws everyone

some just take a little longer.

Andy and I had this conversation once. He was certain she was sincere.

[Kelvin Mace]

53. Uh, no

I would say the Diebold memos and the Rubin Report were the major event that launched this movement.

[Steve A Play]

49. Prove it!

:evilgrin:

[Pale_Rider]

74. Greets ...

... and the ball is in play.

[Steve A Play]

76. Good to see you my friend!

I'm surprised you came back here! :)

Steven P. :kick:

[jen4clark]

30. Thanks garybeck

I find it hard to believe that people are willing to shoot one of the main fighters on the election integrity front. Wow.

btw, are you aware of the action alert happening right now, (thanks to Bev and Debra Bowen)? I guess most here will opt out since she's involved, but for those who would like to help make a difference in exposing the truth behind the e-vote vendors and equipment, there is a thread here and links to a thread at kos with instructions, phone numbers, sample letters, etc.

[EFerrari]

37. I tried my best to hide this thread. It didn't work. Oh Well.

So, you want to defend this grifter? This grifter that has been banned from Du?

I'll post her response to me when I tried to tell her lunacy that Andy was dying and that attacking him might not play well to her audience. Yes, and I'm sure Andy, our lovely dear Andy would agree.

You want a reason to distrust that grifter? Just ask me.

I steered away from this whole deal until it was put in my face.

Just ask me.

Truth has NOTHING to fear.

And, frankly, this whole discussion makes me nauseous. That grifter helped kill Andy. Period.

Do you want to be part of THAT?

[EFerrari]

40. PS: Do a search. Search my posts on this topic before Andy

knew he was very ill, dying.

Do it. Because then you will see that I stayed out of the whole deal.

After trying to help Andy and after trying to talk to that grifter, I will NEVER BE NEUTRAL AGAIN.

So, before you come to this forum and try to glorify that grifter, be ready.

DU has a long memory.

I love you, Andy. And I will NEVER FORGET that this grifter blocked your medical care for months. I NEVER will.

[jen4clark]

45. Yikes. Sorry to inflame you so

Really. I see what Bev is doing now to expose the truth behind the e-vote vendors and equipment and I don't see anyone else taking the lead to organize massive numbers of people to make a difference. What's going on right now in California is huge because if the vendors and computer people are forced to testify under oath and the truth comes out it's going to effect the entire country.

Perhaps you'd get involved if you knew that CA State Senator Debra Bowen is leading the charge on getting the subpoenas issued? To do that she has to get permission from 3 of the 5 California Senate Rules Committee. That's where we come in.

I'm really sorry about whatever went down, and I'm very sorry about Andy - but for people to be attempting to shut out the strongest voice out there fighting to expose the truth of e-voting just doesn't make sense to me, and you have to admit would be a perfect rove tactic...

I guess I'll get flamed now for mentioning rove's name but really, it would be very beneficial to Repubs right now to shut Bev and BBV down. I'm almost afraid to check back here to see the attacks, so I'll just leave with sincere apologies again for whatever went down.

If anyone's interested in making the 5 phone calls, faxing or emailing the information is on threads on this forum, on GD-P and at kos...

Peace.

[Boredtodeath]

46. Not attacks, truth telling

sorry the truth doesn't fit into your agenda.

[EFerrari]

47. Don't even TRY to marginalize me because it won't play.

That grifter is notorious all over the net for her mendacity.

CA doesn't need or want that grifter.

If you really don't know her history, you might spend a useful hour educating yourself.

[Kelvin Mace]

57. Beg to differ

don't see anyone else taking the lead to organize massive numbers of people to make a difference.

Then I must politely advise you to look around more. The number of reputable people fighting for this issue is legion. The two major groups are mentioned in this thread. In North Carolina for example, the person would be Joyce McCloy and her group NC Verified Voting. She managed to get through the toughest anti-BBV law in the nation, got it passed UNANIMOUSLY, and NEVER asked for a single penny from anyone.

Gee, I wonder what Joyce could have done with $1,000,000+ in money she raised with the help of Air America (mostly Randi Rhodes). I wonder what it would be like to have reporters and talk show hosts who respected you, as opposed to Bev who has turned everyone from Randi Rhodes to Keith Oberlmann against her.

Joyce didn't run around with her own camera crew. She didn't grandstand. She just got the job done.

Bev is not "fighting to expose the truth", Bev is looking to make money and get people to worship her.

BTW, anybody seen her Form 990 yet? Still AWOL as far as I can tell.

[eridani]

59. Organizing is exactly what Bev is totally incapable of

Publicity and investigation, sure. She totally fucked up organizing people against 2004 election theft, and what she did to Andy is inexcusable.

[IdaBriggs]

61. Please read my post on Bev Harris during the investigation in 2004.

Trusting this woman is NOT BRIGHT. She is a saleswoman, and there are A LOT of organizations out there that actually DO SOMETHING. She talks a lot, but in my opinion is responsible for KEEPING BUSH IN OFFICE because SUPPOSEDLY SHE HAD EVIDENCE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND DID NOT PROVIDE IT TO THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES OR THE MEDIA WHEN THEY CAME BEGGING FOR IT AFTER SHE HAD PUBLICLY BRAGGED ABOUT HAVING IT.

How much clearer do I have to be? I reported on this in DECEMBER 2004 -- and yet, we still have people saying she "helps" with voter fraud stuff.

On Edit: Wrong emoticon! :banghead:

[Amaryllis]

83. do you have a link to this post?

[sadjonny]

67. The War On Election Fraud - expose the truth

Exactly!

You all need to take a step back.

Until Electricity and Electronics and Digitized Data Came along, none of these constitutional problems existed.

If you want a Constitutional Republic

The next time you vote in the United States Of America, it's Districts and Territories

YOU MUST

Remove the electricity
Stop Digitizing Data
Stop Sending Digitized Data Across Networks

It's that simple.

TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED ALREADY. NOT JUST YOUR "ANDY"

[Boredtodeath]

69. Calm down, sadjonny

If you want the truth about election fraud, you'll have to look somewhere other than Bev Harris.

Stick around, you'll see REAL truth from the tireless workers here at DU.

[sadjonny]

70. The War On Election Fraud - KNOW THE TRUTH

I KNOW THE TRUTH
YOU CAN NOT VALIDATE , ELECTRONICS OR DIGITIZED DATA

You will need a basic understanding of the following.

electricity
electronics
digital logic
networking /bbs's
programming
reverse engineering
chip manufacturing
transmitters and receivers
physics


All the constitutional problems we currently have are because of this.

The ONLY solution is to attack this problem at the LOCAL PRECINT LEVEL.

Your MISSION is to FIX this CATCH 22 before the next election
Can not prove the elections were stolen
Can not prove the elections were not stolen

I have no more patience for folks that don't understand this.
I also am sick and tired of those who are deliberately obscuring these FACTS!!!

Remove the Electricity
Stop Digitizing data
stop transmitting that data over networks!

Bring the folks that created this mess to trial.

[Boredtodeath]

71. LOL, OK......

but you might wanna quit spamming the board with your "truth" as it's likely to get you banned.

[Kelvin Mace]

56. Not shooting the main fighters on the anti-BBV front

I support them. The main reputable fighters have been mentioned.

Have you even bothered to read the long, but meticulously documented threads, exposing Bev with her own words and actions?

[Kelvin Mace]

52. Amazing how all that work belonged to other people

[IdaBriggs]

60. I disagree. Do you need my link about the topic? Here it is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=211132 And here's what it says --

My Opinion on Bev Harris (Warning: Contains Harsh Language) Dec 30, 2004

For those who do not know me, I was responsible for the New Hampshire voter study, and helped make the recount in New Hampshire possible. You can search in the archives for the blow by blow details of how it actually happened. I spoke with Bev Harris only a few times, as most of my contacts with her organization were through Andy Stephenson (who is no longer affiliated with her group). I have been out of the loop recently due to my father's health, so what I am about to share must be taken in that context.

Bev Harris seemed to be someone who cared about election fraud investigation. Her group was able to raise money for their FOIA requests by also mentioning the New Hampshire recount (despite the fact the only support they provided was participation in a press conference with Ralph Nader), which caused a great deal of problems for fund raising efforts to cover the cost of the recount in New Hampshire as people thought they had already "helped" by giving her group money instead of the Nader campaign. I do not believe the confusion generated by the tie-in between Black Box Voting and the New Hampshire recount was "on purpose" but more in the nature of a really chaotic time, with things changing on a minute by minute basis. In short, I do not think the confusion was intended as deception.

As I said, BBV contributed ZERO SUPPORT to efforts to investigate fraud in New Hampshire, despite repeated requests for someone from their organization to help. At one point, it looked like we were going to have someone there to analyze the data they had requested with their FOIA request, but that person never showed up for reasons which have NEVER been explained; to the best of my knowledge, the data has not been collected at this point, or analyzed for any patterns of error. I am NOT happy about this.

In the early weeks following the election, Bev and her crew were active in Florida. A public posting on original signed machine tapes being found in a trash bag was made by Bev Harris and supported by testimony from Andy Stephenson, who was also a witness to the events which were all caught on video tape (per the public posting). If true, this was evidence of criminal conduct, and would have provided the excuse required for the Kerry team to unleash their resources. I personally had several conversations with skeptical people who were within one or two degrees of separation from the top people on the Kerry team who bluntly stated they needed to see the purported evidence for support to be forthcoming. Keith Olbermann, one of the few respected journalists covering the election fraud investigation, also had his producers request more information on the topic from the BBV team, to no avail.

To date, this "evidence" of criminal conduct has not been made available to the public despite repeated requests by myself and numerous other respected members of the voter fraud investigation community. The opportunity that was lost because of this can not be calculated, and the damage to our democracy as a result is intolerable. And yes, there are Kinkos in Florida, as well as people who can easily be found who can copy videotape, and anyone who wants to pretend the "Votergate" people wouldn't have provided it if some pressure from BBV was applied is working hard at playing dumb; I'm not interested in arguing the point.

BBV is not equipped to prosecute criminal activity; that is not within the scope of their charter, nor should anyone expect them to do so. If BBV actually has evidence of the kind they PUBLICLY claimed, at this point I believe THEY should be prosecuted for conspiracy after the fact for covering it up and/or not revealing it. (Did I mention I'm a little pissed off? I've watched the recount deadline for state after state pass by, with little that could be done because of a lack of financial and human resources -- problems which could have been easily remedied if one person had displayed better judgment -- and I'm not talking Kerry!)

I believe Bev Harris had good intentions; unfortunately, perhaps due to exhaustion, she has displayed some amazingly BAD judgment. For example, at one point volunteers from Common Cause were recruited to collect the FOIA requests from each of the counties in Florida (as opposed to three people driving to each one of them). Only one detail had to be worked out -- getting them the checks so they could pick stuff up. (Training and documentation had already been taken care of by another person.) Ms. Harris did not have time to address the funding issue, but she did have "time" to personally drive around the state of Florida for days instead. In my not-so-humble educated opinion, setting her and her team up in one place, and bringing the information to be analyzed to her while using the opportunity to train more people in the analysis skills (on what to look for) would have been a better use of her time; unfortunately, Ms. Harris did not agree, and another opportunity was lost.

It takes a lot of work to alienate as many people as BBV has done, but Bev Harris has displayed a remarkable skill when it comes to doing so. The public "incident" with Andy Stephenson consumed valuable time, and drained energy from an important ongoing investigation, while the public debacle with Keith Olbermann was so unnecessary as to be ridiculous. To say that Ms. Harris is lacking in common sense people skills would be an understatement.

Furthermore, instead of having investigations occur in fifty states (which her FOIA requests would have created: volunteers were mobilized to assist with it, and funding for which was available), she haphazardly investigated only some sections of Florida, did a little work in Washington, and nothing in any other part of the country.

I am a small business owner, and I have learned a great deal in the years I have run my company. It takes more than just being good at one thing to oversee a large project successfully; I have to be a manager, good with the public, able to collect funds, take care of my books, as well as the thousand and one details the government requires of me for the privilege of working for myself. The most important skill of all, however, is prioritizing my time and resources. If I don't display that critical ability, it doesn't matter how talented a database developer I am, because my business will fail.

Ms. Harris has made critical mistakes in the last two months; she over promised and under delivered. While I am sure her intentions were the best, she did not manage available resources in a fashion that would have benefited this country for decades to come. Some people work hard, and some people work smart. Ms. Harris worked hard, but not smart. I am NOT impressed with her or her organization, and would recommend anyone interested in fixing the voting system in this country look elsewhere if they wish for effective and competent leadership in this ongoing effort.

Some people may find my indictment of Ms. Harris' incompetence harsh; I am sharing my opinion, based on my experience, and people may ignore it or not as pleases them. I will add only this to my report:

At a certain point, TRYING isn't enough. If you can't DO IT, get out of the way so someone else can instead.

Regards,
Ida M. Briggs
www.invisibleida.com

[Boredtodeath]

62. dailyKos chews her up and spits her out!

Marched her into the electric chair, watched her strap herself in and then let HER pull the switch on herself.

It was entertaining.......

on edit - forgot the link:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/21/23135/7665

[sadjonny]

65. Catch 22 - SACXTRA chews YOU up and SPITS YOU OUT

Where is the evidence that BUSH didn't steal the election?

you can not validate digitized data . PERIOD.

I suggest you get an

1. electrical education
2. electronics education
3. transmitters and receivers education
4. networking education
5. programming education
6. physics education

NEXT TIME YOU VOTE IN THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ITS TERRITORIES AND DISTRICTS

1. REMOVE THE ELECTRICITY
2. STOP DIGITIZING DATA
3. STOP PUTTING DIGITIED DATA ON NETWORKS

THIS IS *THE* CAUSE OF ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS WE HAVE!

[PVK]

87. She lied about doing some investigations in my state.

After saying she would. Andy was going to look into it further but never apparently got the chance.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

63. Hursti Hack not done by Bev

The Hursti Hack was done by Hursti.

See, she even has you thinking that she deserves the credit.

Heck, Hursti wasn't even needed, was he?

[chaumont58]

22. Yes, and if you believe me, I have a bridge I'll let you have cheap

but I only take Euros, no dollars.

[EFerrari]

26. PTBL, I'm hiding this thread for the sake of this forum and

also, for my blood pressure.

I think you have the information you need.

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. No problem.

Got what I needed. Thanks!! :hi:

[nicknameless]

50. Oh look. Flame bait.

;)

[kster]

68. -

:thumbsup:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

72. No, the Answer is NO! History lesson

THE ANSWER IS NO, MR PRESIDENT, HELL NO!

Remember when Bev threatened DU'ers with lawsuit?
Archived at freeper website (for want of easier to find location):

DUmmie FUnnies 11-21-04 (CIVIL WAR: Bev Harris Threatens To SUE DUmmies!!!)
Various DUmmies and Assorted MOrons | November 21, 2004 | DUmmies and PJ-Comix

Posted on 11/21/2004 6:23:31 PM PST by PJ-Comix

My DUmmie Ant Farm is all astir! A venomous scorpion in the form of Bev Harris of BBV fame is stinging my DUmmie Ants left and right lefter with her lethal stinger. So how did this scorpion entered the hallowed confines of the Dummie Ant Farm? Did she boldly invade? No. She was actually invited in by the DUmmies as a conquering heroine who would lead the DUmmie ants to overturn the election results and establish John Kerry as president in January. Not only did the Dummies hail the Bev Harris scorpion but they also fed her copious quantities of green bills which she ravenously consumed. And how did Bev Harris thank the DUmmies for there help in the form of MUCHOS PESOS? Why, she is threatening to SUE them as you can see on this THREAD. So pack up your box lunches, hitch up your horses to the carriages, and travel out to the battlefield to observe the DUmmies engaged in a brutal Civil War with each other. As usual, the DUmmie attacks are in Bolshevik Red while the reports of your humble war correspondent, observing the combat from a hilltop near Bull Run creek, is in the . And now, as the battle begins, DUmmie Eloriel makes a somewhat minor forward cavalry moment in advance of the main forces:

BBV Clean Up Crew -- URGENT HELP NEEDED HERE -- Requested by hedda_foil and Bev Harris, in order to put together a PR push against the media backlash against all of our efforts




CHANGE TRADE NAME IMMEDIATELY

Putting you on notice that hijacking the established trade name of a 501c(3) nonprofit is actionable. I have notified the mods. Do your good work, but under a name that you create and register, with a volunteer squad name that you create and register.

If DU continues to sanction this hijack, we will take action against both DU and the people who are doing this. Have notified our lawyer, who is working on this now.

Change it. Do it now. And your blatant use of someone else's trade name does not show very good ethics.

Bev Harris
Executive Director
Black Box Voting, Inc. - a registered 501c(3) nonprofit corporation




more here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1285583/posts#comment

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

73. DU Statement on Bev Harris situation

Statement on the Bev Harris situation
Over the past two years Bev Harris has received a great deal of support from the members of Democratic Underground, in her research, publicity efforts, and fundraising. In return we have played host to an 18 month-long squabble between Ms. Harris and other verified voting activists, and have even been threatened with lawuits by Ms. Harris herself. Despite this, we have publicly remained mostly silent on the verified voting squabbles.

We believe verified voting is a topic of crucial importance, and have been uncomfortable taking sides on an issue which, frankly, we should all be on the same side of anyway. Therefore we have kept most of our correspondence with the various factions private and attempted to cool things down behind the scenes. Like all issues discussed at DU, we have tried to focus the discussion of verified voting on the topic at hand, and not on the personalities of the participants. However, in light of the recent troubles, we feel compelled to make a statement.

In 2003 Bev Harris, along with a few other verified voting activists, were banned from DU for engaging in personal squabbles on the message board after they were repeatedly instructed to stop. Around that time, Ms. Harris threatened us with a libel lawsuit, claiming that we could be held responsible for comments made by other message board members who doubted the credibility of her project. She never followed through on this threat and we never heard from her lawyers.

Ms. Harris was reinstated shortly afterwards, after agreeing to put an end to the problems that got her banned in the first place. Nonetheless, those problems periodically recurred after her reinstatement. A few weeks ago, Ms. Harris again used our website to threaten DU with lawsuits, in her postings, in private messages to other members, and in rude alerts she sent to the moderators.

We sent a message to Ms. Harris telling her to stop hassling our moderators and members, and informing her that if she had a legal concern, she needed to contact us directly. We also let her know that her continued participation on this message board was dependent upon her behavior. The legal threats stopped, but we received no response from either Ms. Harris or her lawyers.

This is our personal experience with Ms. Harris. We cannot confirm or deny the veracity of claims made by others, including many former colleagues, her former publisher, and Keith Olbermann. But we can confirm that the claims made by others about Ms. Harris are not inconsistent with our own experiences.

We have remained as patient as possible in our dealings with Ms. Harris because we believe that the topic of verified voting is a crucial one. We were prepared to sacrifice a certain amount of tranquility on the message board if verified voting was being discussed in a generally positive manner.

Ms. Harris's recent spat with Keith Olbermann has made positive discussion of verified voting increasingly difficult on DU. For over a year and a half, our members have been split into pro- and anti-Bev factions, and recent events have only exacerbated that division. Yet this morning Ms. Harris returned to DU and started posting as if nothing had happened, while making liberal use of the alert button to complain to the moderators about our enforcement of the message board rules. At this point our patience finally ran out.

The fact that the disruptions have continued, despite repeated warnings from the administrators, leaves us with no other option but to bar Bev Harris from posting on this website. We no longer believe that it is productive to allow her to use DU as a platform to promote herself while simultaneously trashing us, our moderators, and others who have been previously supportive of her cause.

We still remain firmly committed to promoting discussion of verified voting, and we wish Ms. Harris well in her efforts to shed light on this important issue. From now on, we encourage all of our members to focus on discussing the verified voting issue itself, rather than the personalities involved.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=108750

[Steve A Play]

77. In that case Admins please delete my account here.

There's nothing more I can do here, and I will no longer bother people on this site with my posts.

Thanks for everything and Peace,

Steven P. :hi:

[Bill Bored]

75. Ion Sancho is the hero of the Hursti hack.

He was introduced to Bev and the rest is history.

He's the one who put his job and his county's election system on the line.

Show him some love!

[nicknameless]

78. Bev screwed California over with her qui tam suit against Diebold.

Kelvin Mace's post explains the details:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=378552&mesg_id=379548

[garybeck]

80. that is untrue

people who say that BBV settled the suit are lying. BBV did not want to settle the suit. the settlement was forced on them by the CA Attorney General.

from press coverage: http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/52601449

Meanwhile, not so eager to move on are activists who filed the original litigation against Diebold on behalf of California taxpayers. They complain that the litigation was settled too soon. "This settlement will shut down a major avenue of investigation before evidence starts trickling in," Jim March of Sacramento told the Associated Press. "It's very premature."

does that sound like someone who "screwed CA"??? Clearly BBV was not in favor of the settlement. Anyone who has looked into this knows that Attorney General Bill Lockyer is responsible for the settlement, not BBV.

When people keep beating this drum, about BBV initiating the settlement, it really only exposes their true desire - to attack BBV, not to look for the truth.

[FogerRox]

81. I think any original concerns of the OP have been addressed

now-- that everyone has had their say--- what purpose does the continuation of this thread have? NONE that I see.

[JimDandy]

82. The link to hide this unproductive thread doesn't work! n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

86. Bev knew that if the suit was filed

that the state could step in and take control and settle the suit. This was yet another reason why she originally said she wouldn;t file such a suit.

She then did so and the suit was settled. She collected the money and the source of the incriminating evidence was burned.

[Kelvin Mace]

84. Yet another reason to not trust Bev and goons

They burned their source and revealed Stephen Heller's name to the cops. Now the bave fellow is facing three felonies.