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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:23 PM
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Brad: Why do Diebold's Touch-Screens Have Wireless Data Transfer Ports?

Why do Diebold's Touch-Screen Voting Machines Have Built-In Wireless Infrared Data Transfer Ports?

IrDA Protocol Can 'Totally Compromise System' Without Detection, Warns Federal Voting Standards Website

So far, no state or federal authority -- to our knowledge -- has dealt with this alarming security threat


by Brad

2/22/2006

We hate to pile on... (Or do we?)

But, really, with all the recent discussion of California Sec. of State Bruce McPherson's mind-blowing about-face re-certification of Diebold -- against state law, we hasten to add -- this may be a good time to point out one small item that we've been meaning to mention for a while.

As Jody Holder's recent comment points out, McPherson's silly "conditions" for re-certification of Diebold in California require a few much-less-than-adequate knee-jerk "safe guards" towards protection of the handling of the hackable memory cards in Diebold's voting machines. (Here's McP's full "Certificate of Conditional Certification").

Never mind, as Holder mentions, that the protective seals to be required are easily peeled away without tearing. Or that such voting machines have been stored in poll workers houses for weeks leading up to an election. More to the point, for the moment, there are ways to manipulate the information on those memory cards even without removing them or breaking the seals. This is more of a concern than ever, since it was recently proven, by the now-infamous Harri Hursti hack in Leon County, FL, that changing the information on the memory cards can force election results to be flipped...without a trace being left behind.

On that note, here's the little item we've been meaning to point out. It's a photograph from the side of a Diebold AccuVote TSx touch-screen voting machine:

snip

A few election watchdog groups, including some members of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) who works with the federal authorities on these matters, have issued warnings about the IrDA port and protocols on voting machines. However, little -- if anything -- seems to have been done to mitigate the rather obvious security threat posed, as far as we can tell.

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http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002458.htm

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:28 PM
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1. Previous Posting
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 05:05 PM
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2. Interesting - BBV set up to turn on all machines and then turn off all
machines - which means the connection need not be turned on by a hacker - as was implied by the minutes of that meeting.

All one need do use the wireless connection to change the memory cards.

How tough can that be?
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 06:13 PM
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4. Better yet, would be
changing ballot definition files from a laptop in a car parked outside.

"Because if I have got 3,000 voting stations and I have to load those with pc cards, then I have got to sit down and manufacture 3,000 pc cards, and keep them separated by precinct. Whereas if I could sit in my warehouse and load those ballot images wirelessly, there is a tremendous advantage."

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:44 PM
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5. This sounds like a job for my GNU and Linux friends! Indeed I like
the odds of our winning every election nationwide!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:13 PM
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9. By hook, or by crook
One way or another, dems will win. There is hope!
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:51 AM
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17. IrDA requires a clear line of sight and you have to be within a few feet
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 06:52 AM by eomer
Short for Infrared Data Association, a group of device manufacturers that developed a standard for transmitting data via infrared light waves. Increasingly, computers and other devices (such as printers) come with IrDA ports. This enables you to transfer data from one device to another without any cables. For example, if both your laptop computer and printer have IrDA ports, you can simply put your computer in front of the printer and output a document, without needing to connect the two with a cable.
IrDA ports support roughly the same transmission rates as traditional parallel ports. The only restrictions on their use is that the two devices must be within a few feet of each other and there must be a clear line of sight between them.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/I/IrDA.html


You couldn't be outside in your car, you'd have to be right next to the machine. And you couldn't use some device in your pocket, it would have to come out of your pocket to connect by IrDA.

That said, there should not be an IrDA port on a touchscreen machine just like there shouldn't be any other ports such as serial or parallel that are accessible. The security risks make them totally unacceptable regardless of any convenience they might provide.

edit: typo
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:57 AM
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18. Not if, as Williams proposes
You use wireless technology to program/ control 30 machines from a single location.

You would have to have a "booster" such as a wireless router to do that. Add the router and anyone can hook on.

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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:20 AM
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19. We need to distinguish between types of wireless.
Sorry, who is Williams?

Radio-based wireless does not need a line of sight. Some examples of radio-based wireless, such as 802.11b and 802.11g, have a range that might allow you to be outside in your car. Bluetooth is shorter range but maybe if the conditions are just right...

Light-based wireless such as IrDA does need a line of sight. The range for IrDA is typically a few feet.

Williams is probably talking about typical radio-based 802.11b or 802.11g, in which case you can set up a wireless local area network and do all kinds of things with it, including the things you mention.

But with IrDA, which is what is shown in the photo in Brad's article, you would have to somehow get your own IrDA device in sight of and within a few feet of each touchscreen. You can't just connect to them all with a single device that is physically removed and therefore you can't really set up a wireless network using them like you can with radio-based. There isn't any router or anything else you can use to get around this limitation because it is physics that keeps light from traveling through opaque objects.

To be sure, the security risks that Brad points out are significant, unacceptable and unnecessary. But we should be accurate about exactly what you can and cannot do with IrDA.

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:52 AM
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21. Who is Williams?
The TGDC has been holding public meetings as they go through the suggested standards they have developed for qualifying all voting systems. They are modifying or deleting suggested standards in order to have a finished product that will set the standards for the industry.

Among the guidelines laid out for this committee by the EAC charter is a requirement, in law, that the committee operate in the public interest. The seventh of the "Administrative Provisions" shows a concern by the EAC that there be no conflict of interest in the decision makers.

Given the “protections” against conflicts of interest and in favor of the public interest, we might expect good things to come out of the committee. However, reports from witnesses to the April 20/21 meeting of the TGDC are quite troubling. During discussions of voter verified paper audit trail requirements, Dr. Brit Williams, a member of the committee, stated that he opposes any new standards that would make technology already purchased non-compliant. Paul Craft, another member of the committee, then suggested that they hear from the vendor engineers who were in the audience to see what they would do about the proposed standards. At this point, Dr. Semerjian, the chairman of the committee and the Director of NIST, said that the TGDC is not in existence to approve existing voting systems, nor rubber stamp state decisions. The committee then went on a break.

Upon return from the break Paul Craft announced that he had talked to the vendors and that they did not like some of the standards. A vote was then held and those standards were deleted.

It is clear that the EAC charter is not being followed in that conflicts of interest are dictating the workings of this committee. It appears that this committee is not operating in the public interest, but in the interest of the vendors by dropping (and likely adding) items to achieve industry objectives, and not in the public interest.

It must be pointed out that Dr. Brit Williams and Paul Craft both have individual conflicts of interest. Dr. Williams has been an outspoken defender of DRE voting systems and has worked closely with Diebold as the company’s ally in Georgia. Dr. Williams was one of the architects of the voting system presently being used in Georgia. Can he be expected to approve standards that are counter to decisions that he has made in regards to the Georgia voting system?
http://www.votetrustusa.org/blogs/nist&tdgc.htm
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:00 AM
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22. Thanks.
I had read about that meeting and the shenanigans but didn't place the name.

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:24 PM
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27. Did they roll over Dr. Semerjian? Or did he sortof let them? n/t
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:25 PM
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24. could a person use infrared ports as a form of daisy chaining
machines and forming a network that way? any reason why a machine can't be a router too?
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:59 PM
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25. I think theoretically you could do that...
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 05:01 PM by eomer
but in practical terms it would be difficult.

An IrDA device can connect to other devices within a 30 degree
cone that is about 1 meter long.  So two touchscreens have to
point their IrDA ports at each other if they are going to
connect and they have to be relatively close.  Even if you
could get two touchscreens to connect that way, it seems
unlikely you could get one of them to point at the same time
to a third machine.  Especially since touchscreens at a
polling place are usually situated inside privacy booths of
some kind.

Thinking out loud... maybe you could have two rows of machines
opposite each other and create a zig-zag set of connections
down the line.  You would probably have more than a meter
between them but I believe some devices go beyond the spec
requirements and actually work at a distance of a couple of
meters.

Your polling place would look like this:


[]    []    []    []    []    []
 \    /\    /\    /\    /\    /\
  \  /  \  /  \  /  \  /  \  /  \
   []    []    []    []    []    []


The connection would be interrupted when someone was standing
in front of the IrDA port but we would only need to
communicate now and then anyway.

As far as routers, etc, I don't think there is a problem
getting them to network if you can solve the problem of
physically positioning the machines to connect with each
other.  

I guess you convinced me it might be possible under just the
right conditions.


Edit: use plain text formatting so the diagram lines up.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:12 PM
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26. Picture of the IrDA port on Diebold machines


and

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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:35 PM
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28. IrDA is on the right side of machine so you would have to do it like this:
>[]   >[]   >[]   >[]   >[]   >[]
  \    /\    /\    /\    /\    /\
   \  /  \  /  \  /  \  /  \  /  \
    []<   []<   []<   []<   []<   []<

where > and < are standing at a [] voting.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:45 AM
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20. A Palm Pilot would do nicely...and changing the Zero-Value report...
or the End of Election report comes to mind.

Diebold's Motto: "If we build-in 25 ways to hack an election, they can't find them all."
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 05:21 PM
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3. K&R...nt
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:01 PM
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6. K&R.
:thumbsup:
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:43 PM
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7. K&R
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:43 PM
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8. If the machines are used in California, that means silicon valley too.
One of you guys out there needs to find a way to hack these machines in such an obvious way that they are proven to be unreliable.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:59 PM
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10. We don't use Diebold, but...
Our wireless feature is used to tally all the votes together into one of the machines that has been determined to be the "Master." That master prints a paper tape with the precinct totals. Then it is taken to a phone jack where the results are transmitted to the Electoral board via modem.

I use them, I don't program them.

I have wondered if someone could hack them with a Palm Pilot. We ban the use of cell phones, but we don't ban Palm Pilots from the voting area. How could you, they easily fit into a pocket. I take mine with me everywhere. Mine isn't wireless, but it does have infra red beaming capabilities.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:01 AM
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11. What machines are they? n/t
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:04 AM
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12. winvote n/t
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vince3 Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:12 AM
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13. Thanks so much for the link. n/t
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:27 AM
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14. .
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:30 AM
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15. K & R n/t
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sadjonny Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:08 AM
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16. The War On Election Fraud - Thinking Small
Don't think Small.

At the manufacturing level ANYTHING can be done to the logic.
What are you going to do, completely destructively reverse engineer every component all the way from the power supply down to where the paper drops in the tray; under an electron microscope?
chips that you could transmit a signal to that will burn up a circuit's logic?
ALL software has flaws....
You could spike the power-supply which could -- again do a logic triger to change the logic.

You CAN NOT VALIDATE electronics or digitized data!!!!!! --pound that into your heads
You CAN NOT VALIDATE electronics or digitized data!!!!!! --pound that into your heads
You CAN NOT VALIDATE electronics or digitized data!!!!!! --pound that into your heads
You CAN NOT VALIDATE electronics or digitized data!!!!!! --pound that into your heads
You CAN NOT VALIDATE electronics or digitized data!!!!!! --pound that into your heads
I hate this. Why the F won't you LISTEN!!!

If you still want to have a Constitutional Republic

YOU MUST

Remove the electricity
Stop Digitizing Data
Stop Transmitting Digitized Data Across Networks
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:05 PM
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23. Right! Why is an IrDA needed at all?
The point of IrDA is fast, convenient, wireless interconnect. But it's easily hacked. IIRC, IrDA devices are usually prohibited in college and university exams.

And apart from the interconnected devices, it's undetectable, unlike radio links (unless you're in the line of sight).
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