Why isn't the DNC building an election fraud detection model?

[iconoclastNYC]

Dear Chairmen Dean - What about Election Security?

Scientists can predict where Hurricanes will hit land. So we should should be able to predict and detect voter fraud.

Hire away some risk mathematicians from wall street and academia to build a model that factors in every bit of past election data, pre-election polling data, exit polls, ad saturation, downticket factors, and election returns in real time. To further increase the reliability of this model it could include GOTV data and results of parallel elections staged by other 3rd party independent groups.

continued at.... please K&R

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2602712&mesg_id=2602712

[Dr Fate]

1. They are frightened that the media will compare them to "The X-Files"

Best to just cross your fingers and hope they are nice to us.

[mom cat]

12. Well "F" their fear! I am sick of there lily livered ninies!

[Caution]

2. Because this would be extremely expensive.

You'd have to compile the data, hire statisticians, create the model, etc etc.

All while lagging far behind the republicans in fundraising (yes i know that in certain areas the Democratic party is finally catching up but it's not enough yet). This should be done by an outside thinktank with funds outside of the DNC.

[hootinholler]

14. True it could and probably should be done in a tank...

But, the DNC can get the ball rolling by raising the awareness of the need. In a sane America it would be bi-partisan done by NIST.

-Hoot

[tom_boy]

3. Let's book 'em Danno

I think its time for Progressives to step and invest some time and money in this problem

Look, its not rocket science. We know the perps, we know the time of the crime, we know the location.

If the Democratic would set aside some significant money aside for this, I know we can catch them red handed.

[SheilaT]

4. This is, of course, the essential

question of this year's election. As it was in 2004. And in 2002. And in 2000.

Our democracy hinges on the assumption of free, fair, and honest elections. We have not had them recently. Anyone who thinks that Bush actually won fair and square in 2000 or 2004 is simply wrong. Anyone who is not questioning certain election results in 2002 is living in LaLa Land.

I have been saying for years now, that these people came to power in a coup, and such people do not give up power readily, least of all in a free, fair, and honest election. We should have U.N. monitors and many of our polling sites this year. Someone (not sure who, actually) ought to be insuring that there will be sufficient voting machines/booths to readily accommodate all voters within a very short time. Registering to vote should be simple and easy enough for someone with little education and basic literacy skills. Challenges should be few and far between. Voters should never feel intimidated by anyone.

The truth is that it takes only a little tweaking, not full out massive fraud, to make sure that the Republicans stay in power. Just a few key precincts here and there, and, voila! You get the results you want.

[tom_boy]

6. UN monitoring? Are you sure?

It would be an election disaster for the Dems.

A lot of people find foreign involvment in US affairs worrisome.
And having foreign nationals involved in elections has got to be a sensitive issue.

This is just the sort the sort of thing that would solidify the Repug base and split the Dems.

I think this something we need to do for ourselves.

[iconoclastNYC]

8. A lot of people = 10% of the Republican party

[tom_boy]

10. A mistake. So go right on by. Nothing to see here.

Oops. problems posting. I'll get the whole computer thing figured out eventually.

Sorry about that

[tom_boy]

11. you may be right

but I doubt it.

I mean, look how much mileage they got because of the marchers were carrying Mexican flags.

Nationalism lives. (and I dunno, maybe you should be proud of your country.

I guess the galling part is that with everything being outsourced, it looks like we are outsourceing the whole election process.

[iconoclastNYC]

19. Show me a poll

Where the USA's involvement with the UN shows up as a top concern for anyone.

It's the ultra nationalist fringe of the Republican party that has a problem with the UN. Weirdly tho you rarely hear these people talking about the usurpation of our national sovereignty from NAFTA, GATT, WTO, etc.

[tom_boy]

20. Maybe you're right.

So lets get the ball rolling.

The UN's resources are not limitless, and the Repugs are even now talking about reducing funding. We may have to push some bills thru to fund this thing. It's going to be a huge task, and advance planning is critical.

Lets starting making the requests and making sure that there is enough manpower in the UN to make this happen.

But it won't happen by accident, and it going to require someone to be very proactive at the highest levels.

[SheilaT]

9. UN monitoring would make sure

that voters get to vote, that they are not intimidated and prevented from voting, would insure that ballots are counted, silly little things like that.

I think Jimmy Carter himself said that our last two Presidential elections would not pass international standards.

Think about it: members of the nation's despised minority systematically excluded, with far fewer balloting places, and outdated technology in those areas where those minorities live. Rioting on the part of the ruling class to shut down vote counts. Obvious fraud, such as more votes counted for the ruling party than actual registered voters, and those registered voters known to historically favor the opposition party.

The sad thing is that we apparently can't and won't do it for ourselves.

[Syncronaut Seven]

5. Because the DNC has no interest in stopping election fraud.

Check the deed. the lienholder is global, and corporate.

[mom cat]

13. Bingo!

[corbett]

21. Dr. Dean Doesn't Like The Status Quo...

but doesn't have a bottomless pocket to change things. That's no excuse for not being creative and innovative, though. He needs to energize his base on the issue of election fraud just like he has with fundraising since becoming chairman.

Someone, please summarize the actions he needs to take and send them along via

http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/chairman

[garybeck]

7. They don't want to win?

that is the only explanation I can think of. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize there's something going on and someone needs to do something about it.

[IndyOp]

16. Some of them (consultants) don't want to win but the rest is denial...

This is final exam week and I have a dozen students who've been living in blissful denial about their grades until now. Now I am getting a mix of emails about how much they LOVED my class (when they were able to attend); how much they NEED to graduate (it'll be tough with an F); how UNFAIR I am ( :eyes: ).

DENIAL is a GARGANTUAN problem... They don't see it, so they don't get it.

I was in a conversation here at DU yesterday with someone who said that "it" (claims of election fraud) "are a lot of yelling about nothing" -- If we haven't broken through the denial of the DU'ers, how in the world can we expect to break through the denial of the elected Dems. We do have to find a systematic way to break through the denial.

I was in a conversation last week with my local elections' supervisor and he was willing to listen, but had lots of faith in his nice MicroVote machines and the nice people at the company who service them.

Denial. Denial. Denial.

In any case our job is the same whether you think they don't want to win or I think they are in denial:
TAKE THE REIGNS AND CLEAN UP THE ELECTIONS OURSELVES.

[garybeck]

22. at this point, denial is no longer an excuse.

some of these people are in positions of authority, and they have responsibilities. they SHOULD know about these issues and they SHOULD be trying to do something about it. there simply is no more room for excuses. they are not doing their job.

[IndyOp]

15. Iconoclast - WE must Inhibit, Detect, and Fight Back

**WE** will ensure a fair vote this November -

Because no one else is going to stand and deliver. Steps to a fair vote:

1. Begin educating yourself, your friends, family, local Dem and Green Parties, community about ALL of the methods of election fraud that are rampant today. Voter reg bias, voter intimidation, voter misinformation, dropping names from voter rolls, failing to count absentee/provisional ballots, sending crappy equipment/not enough equipment to Dem precincts, ballot shifting, ballot box stuffing, fraud with memory cards, central tabulators, rigged software, failure to enforce election laws...

2. Educate your representatives - city, county, state, federal - and tell them what you want: Voter marked ballots, hand counted. NOW!

3. Educate yourself - in detail - about your local and state election laws.

4. REGISTER EVERY PERSON IN YOUR COUNTY/STATE and make certain they have what they need to vote: ID, location of polling place and that they know their rights.

5. Campaign until you drop for Dems and GET OUT THAT VOTE. If everyone votes it is that much harder for them to commit fraud.

6. Organize election protection teams to make sure that voters who are challenged get a chance to vote.

7. Volunteer to work at the polls & help count absentee ballots. GET IN THE WAY OF THE THIEVES.

8. Organize parallel elections -- know how to do them and their benefits and limitations. Parallel elections can inhibit, detect, and challenge fraudulent election results.

9. Push the Dems to join our fight!

10. EVERY PERSON READING THIS POST CAN DO ALL OF THE THINGS LISTED ABOVE. How important is it that we win the House and Senate? End the Iraq War? Impeach the Chimp and his buddies?

:kick:

Be The Media! Burn CDs about election fraud and distribute them far & wide! Solarbus CD includes: Votergate; Invisible Ballots; Video the Vote - Ohio, 2004; The Daily Show and more! <http://www.solarbus.org/election/cd >

[goclark]

17. Why isn't the DNC or someone sponsoring Boston Tea Parties

on the 4th of July!!!!!

The clock is ticking , if we don't educate the masses about the vicious ways of ELECTION FRAUD, we are cooked and the RepubliCONS know it.

Read my Journal thread to find out more about the URGENT NEED for TEA PARTIES!

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/goclark

[Stinky The Clown]

18. There's WAY too much of this shit from the power structure on our side

K&R